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Is GFO for middlecore simmers?

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    Is GFO for middlecore simmers?

    Hi,

    In my understanding the big thing with GFO is that it brings a persistent world/aircrafts with some realistic features (eg. ACARS).

    I'm a 'middlecore' simmer (as opposed to 'hardcore') and I wonder if GFO is for me.

    For example what happen if I crash a plane? That's not good for me of course, but also for the other pilots who will miss a plane in the fleet.

    Also, what if I want to take my 777 for a 45 min flight between Paris and Geneva. I know it is not realistic but that's my pleasure. Will that be allowed?

    And where can I read a full presentation of GFO? Because on this page there's only a map https://pv.pmdg.com/
    Last edited by Simicro; 11Nov2020, 09:03.
    Tony Argaud LFPG - P3Dv4.5

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    There is a youtube on the las vegas presentation. If you crash you can just select something like I do not want to complete this flight and it will be like you never took off.

    Here is the link to the presentation. Officially this is all that has been released on the matter.
     
    Tim Barker
    FAA Air Traffic Control Specialist

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      #3
      You can fly any route you want to in GFO.

      To be fair: What you call a "middle core simmer" is probably 50% of the flight simming community. With another 45% being "low end core" and only 5% "hardcore".
      And even those "hardcore" simmers, as they tend to call themselves, usually lack a LOT of knowledge that is seen as standart in real life

      So don't get afraid of any additional complexity, ACARS, like many other systems, needs a bit of getting used too but then becomes second nature. You don't need to be afraid at all, you will be able to use GFO without knowing the FCOM by heart.

      Once further previews are shown you'll be able to make up your own mind and you will not be disappointed. It really is suitable for all groups of simmers.
      Last edited by Emi; 11Nov2020, 13:12.

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      • Ilari Kousa
        Ilari Kousa commented
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        Nuff said. Even I keep learning new things every day -- and I've worked on the flight ops side of things FWIW.

      #4
      Hello both,

      Many thanks for your explanations and infos.

      And thanks Emi for your wise and reassuring words.
      Tony Argaud LFPG - P3Dv4.5

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        #5
        Hardcore simmers hunt their ranking in VS landing competitions, display their FPS in large digits using external programs and go crazy when someone „forgets“ to start the stop watch at takeoff. Everyone else is having fun and is totally free and perfect to use GFO.

        you‘ll see it has many possibilities to be used. Just be patient and it will release eventually. I think it‘s worthy for everyone who wants to extend their flying experience, „hardcore“ realist or amateur
        Last edited by Ephedrin; 11Nov2020, 11:25.
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        • Ilari Kousa
          Ilari Kousa commented
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          This. And, with a few exceptions, not many of the YT/Twitch streamers know what they're doing either.

        #6
        Originally posted by Ephedrin View Post
        hunt their ranking in VS landing competitions...

        Just be patient and it will release eventually. I think it‘s worthy for everyone who wants to extend their flying experience, „hardcore“ realist or amateur
        Yeah, I read on this forum that a good landing is not necessarily a landing with the lowest VS.

        Otherwise, yes, I will be patient (I have so much to do / learn with my 777).

        And I will certainly get a 1 month subscription when GFO is out, to see what it is like.

        Tony Argaud LFPG - P3Dv4.5

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          #7
          Yeah, I read on this forum that a good landing is not necessarily a landing with the lowest VS.
          Low VS landing = fast way to die. Think Minimum Manouvering Speed.

          If you have to do a go around trying to pull off a low VS landing will leave you in a very bad space. Emi has posted some great stuff on choosing your flap/speed setting based on runway length/High speed taxiway location/ brake cooling/ability to go around. Nothing on low VS.

          GFO will change the way you sim. The immersion is the "NEXT level".
          Charles Harris KRTS The Valley of Speed
          ASUS ROG Strix B450-F, Ryzen 3700X, 1TB 970 Neo M2,1TB SSD, RX 5700XT 8GB, 32GB DDR4 3200

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          • Budbud
            Budbud commented
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            I think VS stands for vertical speed (rate of descent), not IAS

          • Snowfalcon
            Snowfalcon commented
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            Yes it does mean that. Somehow there is a trend that has started that landing at close to 0VS and a slow as possible IAS is a "good" landing. (MSFS landing challenges)

          • Ephedrin
            Ephedrin commented
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            Charles I supposed that Snowfalcon13 was you now I‘m sure :P

            A low vertical speed comes with two factors: as slow ground speed as possible and as flat angle as possible. A 3 degree descent angle at 130 kts has a lower vertical speed (around -700fpm) than at 160 kts (around -850ish fpm), values from memory only. Anyway, both a too low speed and the desperate attempt to hold your nose up is a bad idea for lift, rudder authority and tail.

            Ever pushed the throttle of the A2A P51 forward a bit too aggressivly to go around? the nose WILL rush to the left, closely followed by the banking. And there is nothing you can do when you were just about to stall.

          #8
          Tony,

          The wonderful thing about Global Flight Operations is that it is designed to support "middlecore" simmers and "hardcore" simmers alike. Your experience will depend upon what YOU want to do with it, not what WE want you to do with it- and that is an important distinction.

          We are very busy building out features and expanding assets within the simulation environment that will appeal to a broad base of simmers- and the way we are setting up the user environment is designed specifically to keep things open ended so that you can enjoy yourself without worrying about offending others.

          We will start some presentations and making live the "brochureware" part of the site soon. I think my elliptical answer will make more sense once you see it!

          Robert S. Randazzo
          PMDG Simulations
          http://www.pmdg.com


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            #9
            Originally posted by Emi View Post
            And even those "hardcore" simmers, as they tend to call themselves, usually lack a LOT of knowledge that is seen as standart in real life
            Amen to that if you know, you know it's like the comments about your landing technique by chair pilots 😆

            JB Boudrey

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              #10
              Originally posted by rsrandazzo View Post
              Tony,

              The wonderful thing about Global Flight Operations is that it is designed to support "middlecore" simmers and "hardcore" simmers alike. Your experience will depend upon what YOU want to do with it, not what WE want you to do with it- and that is an important distinction.

              We are very busy building out features and expanding assets within the simulation environment that will appeal to a broad base of simmers- and the way we are setting up the user environment is designed specifically to keep things open ended so that you can enjoy yourself without worrying about offending others.

              We will start some presentations and making live the "brochureware" part of the site soon. I think my elliptical answer will make more sense once you see it!
              So that means there's a lot to look forward to, and there'll be everything for everyone. Even GFO could end up becoming a gateway drug to emulating real world ops, and that will be a huge gamechanger for virtual commercial aviation. After all, flight simming has come a long way since the weather radar.
              Craig Norman

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                #11
                Originally posted by JBBJ View Post

                Amen to that if you know, you know it's like the comments about your landing technique by chair pilots 😆
                Or my everlasting example: Had a maybe 16 year old in the flightdeck during preflight. Even before he said hello he grabbed the MCP and turned the altitude down by a hundret feet, telling me I had made an incorrect setting.
                In my airline it's SOP to set the expected initial climb altitude plus 100ft on the ground, to make it obvious that we have no clearance yet. Well.......

                And just a minute or two later he executed the FMC route, telling me I forgot that as well. You guessed it - it is SOP only to execute it after the route check is complete as part of the briefing.

                Who am I to correct him though, he's a 747 captain, having at least 10.000 hours on type

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                  #12
                  Hi Robert,

                  Thanks for jumping into this thread and for the clarification.

                  Your answer is not so elliptical.

                  I think I get the idea: GFO has been designed to be customer centric and allows the user to choose the level of realism he wants without impacting negatively the other users or the consistency of the simulation environment.



                  Tony Argaud LFPG - P3Dv4.5

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