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    Takeoff Performance Calculations and ACARS

    First off, I love your products and I am eagerly awaiting the release of global operations, however I do have a question. Many operators get their takeoff calculations through an ACARS request, is this something that will be supported? I mostly fly the 777 and it would be a great addition to have a performance calculator, especially through ACARS in addition to an EFB option.

    Thank you,
    Robert Briscoe

    #2
    I'm pretty sure Kyle is sworn to secrecy at the moment until the application reaches a later development stage, but I too am hoping for a decent takeoff perf calc, especially for working out the RTOW in the 744. TOPCAT has been a trusty tool all these years, but it's time for something more accurate I feel.
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      #3
      Kyle cant say anything. Lets compare him up to the the russian government not saying anything to it own people for 5 days after Chernobyl popped its cap.
      Alex Kulak
      PMDG Studier and flyer
      Ramp Agent @PHX

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        #4
        Originally posted by Swaluver88 View Post
        Kyle cant say anything. Lets compare him up to the the russian government not saying anything to it own people for 5 days after Chernobyl popped its cap.
        Kyle is KGB agent sshhhhh
        Stefan Đorđević

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          #5
          Originally posted by Stefan_888 View Post
          Kyle is KGB agent sshhhhh
          Whoops stuff leaks out..
          Alex Kulak
          PMDG Studier and flyer
          Ramp Agent @PHX

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            #6
            Back to the topic, I THINK it was said by either Kyle or Robert that performance calculation would be just one of many features that were included - and/or possible to implement by VAs that use the interface. I must say that I‘m not totally sure anymore but there‘s something in the back of my mind.. but the answer could be in the presentation Robert did at the flightsim con.
            Marc Ehnle

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              #7
              Thank you all for your responses, I’ll take a look at the video.

              Robert Briscoe

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                #8
                There’s also this one you could try.

                https://toper-web.com/
                Danny Cebis

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by aviator96 View Post
                  First off, I love your products and I am eagerly awaiting the release of global operations, however I do have a question. Many operators get their takeoff calculations through an ACARS request, is this something that will be supported? I mostly fly the 777 and it would be a great addition to have a performance calculator, especially through ACARS in addition to an EFB option.

                  Thank you,
                  Robert Briscoe
                  Hi Guys,

                  So excited about the GFO too ! Now, speaking about TO calculations, I think that most of airlines prefer EFB, rather than ACARS and DLNK which are more used for loadsheets, clearances, all other kind of resquests especially WX, company, ATC and maintenance stuffs.

                  And at GOL in Brazil, I think that until very recent years, they used paper charts for the TO performances calculations ! Maybe it changed now.

                  Best regards,

                  Thimote B.
                  Thimote B.
                  PMDG 737 & 777

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                  • DDowns
                    DDowns commented
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                    I agree but not being at an airline I've held my tongue. I cannot imagine how the simple user interface on the ACARS could possibly provide a suitable takeoff calculation. There are too many variables such as NOTAM obstacles or runway shortening or even selecting flaps and derate..... I think a full screen complex UI is required and that is the EFB.

                  #10
                  Hello,

                  Dan, I totaly agree with you. And, maybe there are also costs stories : for instance on a 737, renting ACARS service for TO maths could be, at long terms, more expensive than using an EFB class 2. And evidentely, it's less portable.

                  Best regards,

                  Thimote Bruno.
                  Thimote B.
                  PMDG 737 & 777

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                    #11
                    Boeing has its own performance calc. app that it licenses to operators based on their equipment etc. The OPT , or onboard performance tool.

                    -Eric
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                    Eric Hill

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                    • DDowns
                      DDowns commented
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                      Eric, is the OPT in the CDU or the EFB, or a in a device such as a notepad?

                    #12
                    Dan - BA (again!) use ACARS for their performance info on the B744 (and most other fleets - I think only the A380 and possibly B787 have on board ​​​performance - the 767 used paper tables and vital data cards for a long time but moved to the ACARS-based system for the last few years before its retirement). Really it is a hangover from the days before suitably portable and powerful laptops were readily available.

                    The crew enter the parameters (airfield, runway, QNH, wind, takeoff weight and CG and any other requirements such a specific flap setting, MEL items etc which are requested by means of various codes) on an ACARS page and send it off.

                    The data is sent via ACARS to a computer located somewhere at Heathrow where it chugs around for a bit coming up with an answer. Once it has a solution it pings back an ACARS message with the relevant details, a process which can take some minutes!
                    Simon Kelsey

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                    • DDowns
                      DDowns commented
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                      The package delivery person has a more powerful system than the aircraft that delivered the package LOL.

                    • skelsey
                      skelsey commented
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                      Haha very true!

                      I can't find a (real world) example of the ACARS page at the moment but here's an example of the output:

                      https://twitter.com/Magsmeister23/st...44220897792000

                    • Michael Codd
                      Michael Codd commented
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                      You can send and receive more or less whatever you want using the Free Text page in ACARS, including requests for a new Flight Plan, Route Winds etc. The only problem is the output can use up a lot of paper due to the limited formatting and it sometimes ends up on the floor resembling a small printed loo roll. LOL.

                    #13
                    Hello,

                    To me, put in that way, the OPT is kind of an app available on EFB class 2, tablets etc.

                    Best regards,
                    Last edited by BrunoT; 04May2019, 22:07.
                    Thimote B.
                    PMDG 737 & 777

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                      #14
                      heres some real world example of acars landing data...

                      she flies b744/b748 for ups

                      https://twitter.com/kclepley/status/1124563141390630913
                      Mike Teague - p3dv4.4 - B736 B737 B738 B739 B77L B77W B744 B748

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                        #15
                        The OPT is infact an ipad application for a class 2 EFB. It is possible to requst TPS data from dispatch if for some reason you're unsure. But, it's usually done by message rather than a menu request.
                        Last edited by MCAchief; 06May2019, 00:51. Reason: typo
                        Regards,
                        Eric Hill

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                          #16
                          Also, the image Simon shows is usually the planned TPS performance page of the release or OFP. Although, I don't know, and BA might have an ACARs means of requesting certified OM-10 data from their system.
                          Regards,
                          Eric Hill

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                            #17
                            Originally posted by MCAchief View Post
                            Also, the image Simon shows is usually the planned TPS performance page of the release or OFP. Although, I don't know, and BA might have an ACARs means of requesting certified OM-10 data from their system.
                            As I said -- they do, the system is called CARD and that is the output from it!
                            Simon Kelsey

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                              #18
                              It's bound to better than SABRE...
                              Regards,
                              Eric Hill

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                                #19
                                Originally posted by MCAchief View Post
                                It's bound to better than SABRE...
                                LOLOL

                                Regarding performance request: both U.S. Airlines (9E,NK) I have worked for use a company called Aerodata via acars/(dispatch if acars unavailable) as sole approved method for to/landing perf calculations. Swa does as well pic for proof...

                                image0.jpg

                                Afaik most US carriers use this system these days... which is a bit awkard when Aerodata goes down... https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/new...rodata-outage/



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                                  #20
                                  Here in Germany, no major carrier does it this way AFAIK. They all have efbs, most one used is the MS surface or an IPad. Still some south/south-eastern European airlines love their (mostly INOP tough) ACARS so much that I've never seen an efb in any of those ACs.
                                  Cheers Henrik K. IT Student and Ramp Agent at EDDL/DUS

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