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    Hello, I'm trying to follow the Tutorial 1 and it says to enable the Gyro Pilot switch and the Altitude Control switch, however when I click either of them nothing happens.

    I am able to click the AP Mechanical Disconnect just fine and it turns on. Am I missing something?
    1-ap.jpg
    Daniel Lucas - KLOU
    i9-10900K 32GB RTX3090
    PPL SEL (SR22)

    #2
    hmm i think i figured it out. i had to enable realistic ap. how do you enable localizer and altitude hold WITHOUT realistic AP?
    Daniel Lucas - KLOU
    i9-10900K 32GB RTX3090
    PPL SEL (SR22)

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      #3
      actually, I guess I didn't figure it out. the AP at some point disconnected and I can't click the switch now. nothing happens when I click it. Anyone know why this would happen?

      1-cantclicl.jpg
      Daniel Lucas - KLOU
      i9-10900K 32GB RTX3090
      PPL SEL (SR22)

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        #4
        The 3-way selector switch needs to be all the way left when you enable gyropilot and the turn knob needs to be centered. Then you can select the gyropilot switch and then mechanical disconnect. Your picture shows the selector switch set to Localizer and your turn knob looks off-centered, which disables you from turning on the Gyropilot.
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        Last edited by FSCaptainMP; 12Sep2021, 22:09.
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          #5
          Originally posted by FSCaptainMP View Post
          The selector switch needs to be all the way left when you enable gyropilot and the turn knob needs to be centered. Then you can select the gyropilot switch and mechanical disconnect.
          thanks ill try this out
          Daniel Lucas - KLOU
          i9-10900K 32GB RTX3090
          PPL SEL (SR22)

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            #6
            Guys, another AP issue I'm having is documented below, any help would be great.

            I noticed pressing "LShft + Z" to speed up sim time also disabled my autopilot randomly. It turns out, that anytime the "Z" key is pressed, it disabled the autopilot! Even if "Z" isn't assigned to anything!

            Look here, this shows the straight "Z" key has no assignments whatsoever.





            However pressing "Z" turns on and off the autopilot. This is a screenshot from DC-6 and I've circled the AP lever in mid-move. Pressing Z makes this move up and down.





            Has this happened to anyone else?
            Daniel Lucas - KLOU
            i9-10900K 32GB RTX3090
            PPL SEL (SR22)

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              #7
              Z is the DC6 custom key command for autopilot. It’s found in the introduction manual (attached). I’d change sim rate to something else like R+ and R-
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                #8
                Originally posted by FSCaptainMP View Post
                Z is the DC6 custom key command for autopilot. It’s found in the introduction manual (attached). I’d change sim rate to something else like R+ and R-
                thanks, but now i'm even more confused, as in another thread i was told the AP functions had to be used with some external script and not the keyboard.


                Originally posted by woodstock327 View Post

                Nope sorry, pretty much all Gyropilot functions, including Altitude Hold, need to be triggered via LVARs and/or ROTOR_BRAKE events
                now this document is saying actually the AP functions can use the keyboard and are all hardcoded 🤔

                but thank you at least this explains it! i thought MSFS2020 was gaslightint me again

                Last edited by dresoccer4; 13Sep2021, 03:25.
                Daniel Lucas - KLOU
                i9-10900K 32GB RTX3090
                PPL SEL (SR22)

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                  #9
                  I think if you want to turn the heading knob left/right, or pitch up/down you need LVARs, but it appears you can turn on the autopilot and select the function of it (gyro/localizer/approach) with key commands. I use Axis and Ohs for my HOTAS assignments. There is a user that coded nearly every item in the aircraft to be applied to an external controller.
                  Marcus Phillips

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by FSCaptainMP View Post
                    I think if you want to turn the heading knob left/right, or pitch up/down you need LVARs, but it appears you can turn on the autopilot and select the function of it (gyro/localizer/approach) with key commands. I use Axis and Ohs for my HOTAS assignments. There is a user that coded nearly every item in the aircraft to be applied to an external controller.
                    thanks. it's a long, slow learning process here
                    Daniel Lucas - KLOU
                    i9-10900K 32GB RTX3090
                    PPL SEL (SR22)

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                      #11
                      Daniel,

                      the thing is that all the key commands for the autopilot trigger the sim‘s default Bendix King Kap140 autopilot logic in the background and affect the DC6 which of course doesn‘t have this AP. So you will definitely not want to use them if you want to fly the DC6 correctly. Even pressing this silver button in the cockpit to center the turn wheel will send Ctrl-H to the sim which activates the Kap140 HDG hold feature. The dc6 will start to level its wings and then turn even back to the heading where the button was pressed, something that the real AP would not do. So the only proper way to assign the AP are the local variables which are accessible only by external programs such as FSUIPC or AxisAndOhs. Inexpensive and powerful tools. (I suggest AAO for MSFS)
                      i7-6700k, GTX 1080TI, 32GB DDR4 RAM @2666MHz, 4k
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Ephedrin View Post
                        Daniel,

                        the thing is that all the key commands for the autopilot trigger the sim‘s default Bendix King Kap140 autopilot logic in the background and affect the DC6 which of course doesn‘t have this AP. So you will definitely not want to use them if you want to fly the DC6 correctly. Even pressing this silver button in the cockpit to center the turn wheel will send Ctrl-H to the sim which activates the Kap140 HDG hold feature. The dc6 will start to level its wings and then turn even back to the heading where the button was pressed, something that the real AP would not do. So the only proper way to assign the AP are the local variables which are accessible only by external programs such as FSUIPC or AxisAndOhs. Inexpensive and powerful tools. (I suggest AAO for MSFS)
                        thanks for the info.do you know if the DC-6 AP keyboard shortcuts can be reassigned? some of them are overlapping with my existing setup
                        Daniel Lucas - KLOU
                        i9-10900K 32GB RTX3090
                        PPL SEL (SR22)

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by dresoccer4 View Post

                          thanks for the info.do you know if the DC-6 AP keyboard shortcuts can be reassigned? some of them are overlapping with my existing setup
                          No these are hard coded in the product. But you can have different controller profiles for each plane in MSFS so you can have a DC6 profile with the ones that needed.
                          Chris Makris (Olympic260)
                          PMDG Technical Support
                          http://www.pmdg.com

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by dresoccer4 View Post

                            thanks for the info.do you know if the DC-6 AP keyboard shortcuts can be reassigned? some of them are overlapping with my existing setup
                            In addition to what Chris wrote, look in the DC-6 Introduction document towards the back page there is a page or two listing those custom key commands that are hard coded into the DC-6.

                            Also, in addition to having different controller profiles in the MSFS Controls UI, the AAO also has ability to have a complete custom set of assignments for each individual aircraft.


                            Sounds like you are making progress. It is normal to take a few days for the operation of the Sperry A-12 to sink in, and then there are the hundred other things to learn about electrical and hydraulic. It takes time, enjoy.
                            Dan Downs KCRP
                            i7-10700K 32GB 3600MHz 2080Ti

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by DDowns View Post

                              In addition to what Chris wrote, look in the DC-6 Introduction document towards the back page there is a page or two listing those custom key commands that are hard coded into the DC-6.

                              Also, in addition to having different controller profiles in the MSFS Controls UI, the AAO also has ability to have a complete custom set of assignments for each individual aircraft.


                              Sounds like you are making progress. It is normal to take a few days for the operation of the Sperry A-12 to sink in, and then there are the hundred other things to learn about electrical and hydraulic. It takes time, enjoy.
                              thanks, yes making slow progress It looks like I'll soon need to get this AAO thing and figure it out
                              Daniel Lucas - KLOU
                              i9-10900K 32GB RTX3090
                              PPL SEL (SR22)

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