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Compare Experience of DC6 to other PMDG FSX models

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    Compare Experience of DC6 to other PMDG FSX models

    Hi,

    Can someone who owns more than one PMDG product for FSX and one of those being the DC6 compare the immersion/system management experience of the Dc-6 to the other PMDG products?

    I own the 747 QoTS II and absolutely love it. If you have a switch flipped wrongly, or some parameter is outta whack, then some system will suffer in that product. The included manuals were top notch - the FCOM, etc, very hyper immersive, VERY "real world-ish".

    So my question before I buy the DC 6 for FSX is if it is a comparable immersion? Systems modeled? Manuals included? Accurate? Real-Wrold-ish?

    If the answer is yes, then my follow-on question is how can you manage it all??? Those were three-person flights crews, and those old radials needed a whole bunch of attention in their own right.
    I flew the QoTS II by myself for a few months and managed "okay", I guess, to do a pre-flight and flip all the switches and turn all the knobs and program the FMC BARELY in time during a "Short| turn Ground Operations. I since bought FS2Crew and now the preflight is so much more manageable, enjoyable, and realistic if I only do one job (PF or PM) not all the crews' jobs.
    How is it done in the PMDG DC6? Did PMDG model some virtual crew (i.e. a virtual Flight Engineer who babies the engines for you) or automate some systems (without taking away realism)?
    -James Cox

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    Yes, she has a built in flight engineer who will do all of that stuff for you if you want. There are a couple of gotcha’s that he doesn’t look after which regularly pops up as a ‘why does this happen?’
    Mike Dryden
    GFO Janitor
    Retrieving lost & abandoned airframes

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      #3
      Originally posted by Kukailimoku View Post
      Can someone who owns more than one PMDG product for FSX and one of those being the DC6 compare the immersion/system management experience of the Dc-6 to the other PMDG products?
      I own both your 747 QOTS2 and the Cloudmaster for FSX, so I can probably give you some good info.

      So my question before I buy the DC 6 for FSX is if it is a comparable immersion?
      No. If you're asking, "is the DC-6 just the 747QOTSII with propellers?" then the answer is no. If your standard is"nothing less than the 747v3," then I think you're really going to miss out of a fantastic aircraft because of these expectations.
      Systems modeled?
      Yeah, it's got systems... Not to the depth of the 747, but many will give you the "PMDG" experience. Some are more simplified. Some are completely missing. If you have the FSX JS4100 you'll have a very good idea of what to expect. If all you have is the 747 then you should understand that these aircraft are made for a different purpose, with different goals in mind. In addition, you are experiencing an aircraft with a very long history, and some decisions appear to reflect the types of operations it was performing when it was studied (which is reasonable)

      Manuals included?
      Yes. An Introduction, Operating Handbook, and 2 Tutorials. Fewer pages than the 747.
      Accurate? Real-Wrold-ish?
      I don't know what you mean be either of these. The manuals include probably full performance charts, and you can operate the aircraft according to them.

      If the answer is yes, then my follow-on question is how can you manage it all???
      Be careful, follow the checklist. Take your time, make sure you perform the tasks properly.
      Those were three-person flights crews,
      You fly the 747 single pilot. It requires 2 pilots as well...

      and those old radials needed a whole bunch of attention in their own right.
      I think this is a misconception that a lot of people new to propliners have (I know, I had them too). The engines have automatic carburetors, they have constant speed propellers. They are cooled by air. Yes, they need careful handling, but you probably think the flight engineer is constantly adjusting settings and watching the engines intently at all times should any error cause them to fail, like a chef that's constantly stirring a pot of cooking food. This isn't true, and that isn't really his job.
      I flew the QoTS II by myself for a few months and managed "okay", I guess,
      That's about how you're going to get along with the DC-6 then.

      to do a pre-flight and flip all the switches and turn all the knobs and program the FMC BARELY in time during a "Short| turn Ground Operations.
      If you add time constraints designed for multiple pilots and accomplish them yourself you'll probably struggle the same with a 3 pilot aircraft vs a 2 pilot one.

      I since bought FS2Crew and now the preflight is so much more manageable, enjoyable, and realistic if I only do one job (PF or PM) not all the crews' jobs.
      You can probably do the same for the Cloudmaster. But considering you automate a large portion of normal procedures, I don't think you'll really notice any change of immersion coming from the 747 to the DC-6.

      How is it done in the PMDG DC6? Did PMDG model some virtual crew (i.e. a virtual Flight Engineer who babies the engines for you) or automate some systems (without taking away realism)?
      Yes, a Virtual Flight Engineer (with limitations already mentioned). Yes, there are automated functions like engine start and aircraft configuration. You can press a single button and the Cloudmaster will be ready for takeoff, just like had you loaded a panel state for the 747. The process of saving and loading "panel states" is not included though.

      Hope that helped,
      Robert Toten

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      • Kukailimoku
        Kukailimoku commented
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        Immense help, yes.

        Two last questions Robert Toten, since you own both products.

        Is the Cloudmaster product as fun to fly as the QotS product? (Obviously the planes are different and their operation is different, but do you just plain enjoy the DC6 nearly as much as the 747?)

        Can operating the Cloudmaster in a VA (if one could find a VA for that era) for instance, or a multiplayer environment, be more rewarding and fun than doing it in say the stock FSX DC3?

        You mentioned it doesn't compare in fidelity to the QotS product, but is it more than a freeware DC3 or stock DC3 experience?

      #4
      The DC-6 is absolutely awesome, you have the Artificial Flight Engineer to help you and lower the workload a lot, but flying the DC-6 without its help makes me feel like a pilot more than anything else i tried in a simulator.

      Without the AFE, you have to do all the tasks that in real life are performed by crew of 2-3 people, so this keeps you busy all the time. You really need to know the airplane, know the engine limits, RPM and mixture settings for each flight regime, keep an eye on engine and oil temperatures and adjust the cowl flaps manually, take care of VOR frequencies and navigation, etc. Maybe you can relax a little when you reach cruise altitude but other than that if you feel too relaxed then you probably forgot something.
      I damaged the engines in so many ways i can't even remember before learning how to fly this plane, so all the systems are very realistic and working properly. If you study the manuals and tutorials thoroughly you shouldn't have any issues though.
      Flying manual ILS landings in very poor visibility is something that i enjoy a lot in this plane.
      Can't wait for the update !

      ..........................
      Alexandru Voicu

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        #5
        Very challenging to learn but extremely satisfying when you get it right. Catch myself smiling flying the Cloud Master which doesn't happen so much on jet liners. PMDG quality is certainly there.
        Victor Green

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          #6
          Originally posted by Kukailimoku View Post

          Can someone who owns more than one PMDG product for FSX and one of those being the DC6 compare the immersion/system management experience of the Dc-6 to the other PMDG products?
          I can compare my experience with JS41 with my experience with DC-6. Both models are beautifully crafted. Both models require study of aircraft systems. Although, I would add some extras to the DC-6 systems. Sorry for my English.

          Yours faithfully,
          Evgeny.

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