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    #31
    Originally posted by bonfly View Post
    Well, looks like the 737 expansions will be first again, as usual. The “progress is slow but steady” from today sounds exactly like what he said last time.
    I only hope the 777 update gets ramped up as soon as they're out, and that the variants don't take as long.
    Craig Norman

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      #32
      Can’t wait for the 772 😎
      Anton Vind
      CPU: i9-9900K, GPU: RTX 2080 SUPER, RAM: 32 GB DDR4 3600 MHz, Drives: 1 TB SSD / 1 TB HDD

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        #33
        I just want a P3D v5 compatible 777. PMDG seems to always put other projects in front of it. I think this is the only major add on aircraft on the market that isn't P3D v5 compatible yet.
        Paul Biderman

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          #34
          Originally posted by gollum65 View Post
          I just want a P3D v5 compatible 777. PMDG seems to always put other projects in front of it. I think this is the only major add on aircraft on the market that isn't P3D v5 compatible yet.
          And judging from RSR’s post I’m not holding my breath regarding a release in August or even September.

          I guess expansions create sales, updates don’t.
          Marc Bonaldo
          Armchair Pilot

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            #35
            I sure miss the Triple 7 for Cargo and PAX. Im positive its coming soon for Pv5, just gotta be a little patient for it.
            Rocky Jet Melendez ✈️🛰

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              #36
              Originally posted by bonfly View Post

              And judging from RSR’s post I’m not holding my breath regarding a release in August or even September.

              I guess expansions create sales, updates don’t.
              That‘s unfair. Updates create money too when the airplane gets sold because of new media presence after those updates. And free updates are a sign of continuous support and care. The problem of the 777 is that it‘s old, basically an FSX release and a LOOOT has to be done to bring it to 747 or even NGXu standards. And I understand PMDG if they plan less but bigger major updates for the 777. I think the first update bringing PBR and bug fixes won‘t be long anymore. The EFB might take longer, probably along with the LNAV improvements.
              i7-6700k, GTX 1080TI, 32GB DDR4 RAM @2666MHz, 4k

              Marc Ehnle

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              • bonfly
                bonfly commented
                Editing a comment
                How was my post unfair? I’m not even being critical. Cash flow is important so of course they would prioritize an expansion release.

              #37
              Originally posted by Ephedrin View Post
              The EFB might take longer, probably along with the LNAV improvements.
              The EFB will definitely take longer, which is why it won't be included in this update, per previous announcement, unless anything changed and I missed it.
              Captain Kevin

              Kevin Yang

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                #38
                The LNAV improvements should be #1 on the todo list if they want this to be a serious study level simulation.
                William Holland

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                  #39
                  Originally posted by wjh308 View Post
                  The LNAV improvements should be #1 on the todo list if they want this to be a serious study level simulation.
                  Hi William,

                  Tbh, even without the LNAV/FD improvements which are definitely needed, PMDG's aircrafts are serious study level sims. Of course they are !

                  Cheers,
                  Thimote Brunot
                  PMDG 737 & 777

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                    #40
                    Originally posted by BrunoT View Post

                    Hi William,

                    Tbh, even without the LNAV/FD improvements which are definitely needed, PMDG's aircrafts are serious study level sims. Of course they are !

                    Cheers,
                    They are, until they aren't. The single biggest struggle real pilots have is doing box work on the CDU. Recurrents and type rides, they love to ask you to do the less frequently used functions. Because of LNAV being not perfect, because of procedure turns not being displayed correctly, etc, the single biggest advantage to a PMDG product cannot be realized; Being used as a simulator so real world pilots can prepare for training events by self study.
                    Sure, for 99.9% of flightsimmers, the PMDG product is far more than anyone could expect for the price they charge.
                    William Holland

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                      #41
                      Originally posted by wjh308 View Post

                      They are, until they aren't.
                      Hi William,

                      I don't know, I'm not sure about what you want to say with this kind of sentence.

                      Was months ago in a real professionnal 738 simulator, and some of important fmc features were missing. Bad quircks. But believe me that was still a real simulator for rw pilots.
                      The real aircraft, like any aircraft, can also have bad quircks, still remaining very very real.

                      A very important thing here is the potential of evolution/correction of what needs to be corrected.
                      And PMDG, will apply bug fixes, create updates, which is absolutely great.
                      And by the way, we can understand the LNAV improvements are coming pretty quickly, at least for the 747.

                      What I'm trying to say in a not so fluent english, sorry about it, is that the lack of some quite specific functionalities is not enough to me to say the PMDG aircraft isn't study level, considering :
                      1. The incredible work PMDG did in other areas (elec, hyd, fmc,hud, irs, all the systems of the OVHD). A lot of things to study here.
                      2. In a consequence, so many failures are nicely modeled, which is a huge thing to study !
                      3. Updates, improvements are coming to give more and more realism and so more and more things to study.
                      4. We're talking here of a windows desktop sim, with its natural limitations.

                      So yeah, those aircrafts are definitly study level. Of course, I'm not trying to give any lessons here. This is just my personnal point of view.

                      Cheers,
                      ​​​​​​

                      Last edited by BrunoT; 02Aug2020, 17:41.
                      Thimote Brunot
                      PMDG 737 & 777

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                        #42
                        767 please.
                        PMDG Cultist...Chris Honke (CYYZ)

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                          #43
                          I was trying to help a co-worker prep for his checkride and was unable to use the PMDG 777 to show him directly because of LNAV and how the box represents procedure turns. In that moment of time, the airplane might as well have been a stock FSX aircraft.
                          To be fair, the Level D 767 has the same shortcomings as the PMDG in that regard. However that brings up another point, the Level D 767 and PMDG both being equal when it comes to LNAV? Really?
                          William Holland

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                            #44
                            Originally posted by wjh308 View Post
                            I was trying to help a co-worker prep for his checkride and was unable to use the PMDG 777 to show him directly because of LNAV a
                            Just a reminder from EULA.

                            You may use the Software only for private general knowledge use not affiliated with any initial, current or recurrent qualification or training program on any aircraft type, including the aircraft simulated by the software. This software has not been certified by any agency or corporation as meeting the standards of accuracy required for initial, current or recurrent qualification on any aircraft type.

                            You may not use this software to conduct or receive training, nor may this software be used in a formal or informal training environment. This software may not be used for aircraft familiarization or other training scenario.

                            You may not use this software to maintain currency in any aircraft, nor may you use this software to satisfy any certification requirement or training program curriculum.

                            I would appreciate to stop any discussions of using our plane for preping for real life check rides and similar as this usage is not allowed per EULA
                            Chris Makris (Olympic260)
                            PMDG Technical Support
                            http://www.pmdg.com

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                              #45
                              Originally posted by cmakris View Post

                              Just a reminder from EULA.

                              You may use the Software only for private general knowledge use not affiliated with any initial, current or recurrent qualification or training program on any aircraft type, including the aircraft simulated by the software. This software has not been certified by any agency or corporation as meeting the standards of accuracy required for initial, current or recurrent qualification on any aircraft type.

                              You may not use this software to conduct or receive training, nor may this software be used in a formal or informal training environment. This software may not be used for aircraft familiarization or other training scenario.

                              You may not use this software to maintain currency in any aircraft, nor may you use this software to satisfy any certification requirement or training program curriculum.

                              I would appreciate to stop any discussions of using our plane for preping for real life check rides and similar as this usage is not allowed per EULA
                              Self study, this is not logged, this is not for a fee, this is not in a commercial setting, this is not for FAA purposes, this isn't used to meet any FAA requirements. This is people in their own time, on their own computers enjoying a fairly accurate simulator.
                              What's in the EULA I translate to a professional, commercial setting to meet FAA requirements.

                              William Holland

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                                #46
                                Originally posted by wjh308 View Post
                                Self study, this is not logged, this is not for a fee, this is not in a commercial setting, this is not for FAA purposes, this isn't used to meet any FAA requirements. This is people in their own time, on their own computers enjoying a fairly accurate simulator.
                                What's in the EULA I translate to a professional, commercial setting to meet FAA requirements.
                                If the plane was a FAA certified training simulation plane then you could use it for training purposes. However its not hence why the EULA exists so the FAA doesn't come after PMDG for training purposes. Thats would be my guess on why the EULA exists
                                Alex Kulak
                                PMDG Studier and flyer

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                                  #47
                                  Originally posted by Swaluver88 View Post

                                  If the plane was a FAA certified training simulation plane then you could use it for training purposes. However its not hence why the EULA exists so the FAA doesn't come after PMDG for training purposes. Thats would be my guess on why the EULA exists
                                  For software to be used in a training environment, it must be FAA certified, and PMDG would obviously charge a lot more for that, as they should. Nothing in aviation is cheap.
                                  When some one creates a simulation that is accurate enough to mimick the real thing, guess what real world pilots will do on their own time?
                                  William Holland

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                                    #48
                                    Does this mean I have to stop using GTA V for getaway driving practice? 😀
                                    Dave Smith

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                                      #49
                                      Originally posted by 53North View Post
                                      Does this mean I have to stop using GTA V for getaway driving practice? 😀
                                      iRacing under VR is good for that
                                      William Holland

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