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    Feature Request for 777 Update and NG3

    is it possible to implement the ability for the database in the FMC/CDU to automatically configure the Transition Level once the pilot has input the Departure and Arrival Airport?

    Much Obliged,
    Steve Summers - i7 8770K @ 4.7Ghz - 16Gb Corsair Vengeance DDR4 3000Mhz - Geforce GTX 1070 Ti 8Gb - ACER X34 Predator IPS GSYNC 3440x1440 - ASUS ROG STRIX Z370-H - 3 x Samsung Pro SSD 512Gb - Water Cooler: Corsair H100i GTX - Win 10 Pro 64 - P3Dv4.5 + ASP4 + ASCA + PMDG NGX + ORBX + FlightBeam + FSDT + Fly Tampa + Pacsim + AUScene: Revenge is not a valid motive, it's an emotional response. No, not vengeance. Punishment.

    #2
    If it's in the real aircraft (i.e. customer option) you can expect it to be there, otherwise don't bet a lot of money on it.
    Greetz!
    Thanny Davelaar - Proud owner of PMDG NGX, 777, 747

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      #3
      Originally posted by Thannyd View Post
      If it's in the real aircraft (i.e. customer option) you can expect it to be there, otherwise don't bet a lot of money on it.
      This apparently was one of those things that was on the actual aircraft, but NOT on the simulated aircraft.
      Captain Kevin

      Kevin Yang

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        #4
        If not mistaken in the real aircraft this is read from the navdata set. As far as I know the navigraph data set we are using does not contain this information in any of the files.
        Chris Makris (Olympic260)
        PMDG Technical Support
        http://www.pmdg.com

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          #5
          On every departure briefing and arrival briefing one of the items is transition altitude and transition level. We check the VNAV CLB page and VNAV DES page for correct altitudes and flight levels. We verify from charts or ATC. The only issue in the simulator environment would be if one doesn’t have the charts with correct altitudes and TLs. I use my company provided charts through Jeppesen for correct altitudes and TLs so I find it no big deal the way PMDG models it. But that’s only me, my experience, and my opinion. I could see why it’s important for others.
          Regards,

          Aaron Zylman

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            #6
            Originally posted by azylman1 View Post
            On every departure briefing and arrival briefing one of the items is transition altitude and transition level. We check the VNAV CLB page and VNAV DES page for correct altitudes and flight levels. We verify from charts or ATC. The only issue in the simulator environment would be if one doesn’t have the charts with correct altitudes and TLs. I use my company provided charts through Jeppesen for correct altitudes and TLs so I find it no big deal the way PMDG models it. But that’s only me, my experience, and my opinion. I could see why it’s important for others.
            The OP has posted several threads on this topic, seems to be something he learned and he wants to display his knowledge. There are very few locations in the world where the TL is fixed, as Bode has pointed out in the first thread this isn't even true in the FAA jurisdiction. Many locations simply post 'By ATC.' One is more likely to find fixed TA's as those are not depended on barometric pressure and often are used to derive the TL along with the pressure.

            Perhaps when PMDG releases new FMS software that uses ARINC formatted data that FMS determined TA's might be available, but I wouldn't expect the TL to be automatically available.

            Finally, in addition to Aaron's post I'd like to add that being in the simulation environment makes it simple to set TL. It's a simulation, simulate that it's 1000 above TA unless otherwise indicated. There's also a nifty little tool whereby you can enter baro pressure and TA and it provides TL. But in the end it's usually the ATC jurisdiction and not the FMS software that is making the determination.
            Last edited by DDowns; 14Aug2019, 16:53.
            Dan Downs KCRP

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              #7
              In my simulator flying it would only be good in the 777 because I usually take off from the US (TL FL180) then land in another country. However speaking on that the Navigraph charts usually have the TL for the arrival airport so it really isnt a big deal to me. But the inquiry would be a cool additive to have
              Alex Kulak
              PMDG Studier and flyer
              Ramp Agent @PHX

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                #8
                [QUOTE=DDowns;n18357]

                The OP has posted several threads on this topic, seems to be something he learned and he wants to display his knowledge. There are very few locations in the world where the TL is fixed, as Bode has pointed out in the first thread this isn't even true in the FAA jurisdiction. Many locations simply post 'By ATC.' One is more likely to find fixed TA's as those are not depended on barometric pressure and often are used to derive the TL along with the pressure.

                DDowns

                to be clear:

                1. I posted a question previously about this topic to which azylman1 kindly replied with his in-depth and first hand experience and knowledge of the 777 (now refer point 3 - then go to point 2>4>5)

                2. The view that you took - and I refer specifically to this statement "The OP has posted several threads on this topic, seems to be something he learned and he wants to display his knowledge" is simply wrong, condesecending, and completely uncalled for. The fact that you pretend to know what my intentions were, is ridiculous at a minimum. If you were truly capable of mind reading - you would have known that Point 3 below is the true and valid reasoning. But since you and I know you are not capable of mind reading - I would strongly suggest in future, to carefully consider your response and maintain a professional stance and don't provoke personal attacks - if you poke the hornets nest, don't be surprised with the ensuing results.

                3. I wasn't aware of the database capability until azylman1 confirmed it - my thinking and question was purely from a logical and technological perspective.

                4. Given there are 2 posts intertwined regarding this - this makes it a couple of posts - not several.

                5. In the first post I did ask Kyle to chime in as I preferred a PMDG staffer to respond to the secondary question pertaining to the feasability of adding this feature in an update - but didn't receive a reply - ergo, I created this new post with the express intention of gaining a response hopefully from an actual PMDG staffer who may be directly involved in the 777 update process.
                Last edited by XCLTM3; 15Aug2019, 04:37.
                Steve Summers - i7 8770K @ 4.7Ghz - 16Gb Corsair Vengeance DDR4 3000Mhz - Geforce GTX 1070 Ti 8Gb - ACER X34 Predator IPS GSYNC 3440x1440 - ASUS ROG STRIX Z370-H - 3 x Samsung Pro SSD 512Gb - Water Cooler: Corsair H100i GTX - Win 10 Pro 64 - P3Dv4.5 + ASP4 + ASCA + PMDG NGX + ORBX + FlightBeam + FSDT + Fly Tampa + Pacsim + AUScene: Revenge is not a valid motive, it's an emotional response. No, not vengeance. Punishment.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by cmakris View Post
                  If not mistaken in the real aircraft this is read from the navdata set. As far as I know the navigraph data set we are using does not contain this information in any of the files.
                  Hi cmakris

                  thanks for chiming in and clarifying that.
                  Steve Summers - i7 8770K @ 4.7Ghz - 16Gb Corsair Vengeance DDR4 3000Mhz - Geforce GTX 1070 Ti 8Gb - ACER X34 Predator IPS GSYNC 3440x1440 - ASUS ROG STRIX Z370-H - 3 x Samsung Pro SSD 512Gb - Water Cooler: Corsair H100i GTX - Win 10 Pro 64 - P3Dv4.5 + ASP4 + ASCA + PMDG NGX + ORBX + FlightBeam + FSDT + Fly Tampa + Pacsim + AUScene: Revenge is not a valid motive, it's an emotional response. No, not vengeance. Punishment.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by XCLTM3 View Post
                    5. In the first post I did ask Kyle to chime in as I preferred a PMDG staffer to respond to the secondary question pertaining to the feasability of adding this feature in an update - but didn't receive a reply - ergo, I created this new post with the express intention of gaining a response hopefully from an actual PMDG staffer who may be directly involved in the 777 update process.
                    If you are expecting a response from PMDG, the best way to do that would be a support ticket. Although somebody from PMDG might see posts on the forums, they won't necessarily respond to them.
                    Captain Kevin

                    Kevin Yang

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Captain Kevin View Post
                      If you are expecting a response from PMDG, the best way to do that would be a support ticket. Although somebody from PMDG might see posts on the forums, they won't necessarily respond to them.
                      See the response above yours? Posted by Chris Makris a few hours earlier than yours?
                      Steve Summers - i7 8770K @ 4.7Ghz - 16Gb Corsair Vengeance DDR4 3000Mhz - Geforce GTX 1070 Ti 8Gb - ACER X34 Predator IPS GSYNC 3440x1440 - ASUS ROG STRIX Z370-H - 3 x Samsung Pro SSD 512Gb - Water Cooler: Corsair H100i GTX - Win 10 Pro 64 - P3Dv4.5 + ASP4 + ASCA + PMDG NGX + ORBX + FlightBeam + FSDT + Fly Tampa + Pacsim + AUScene: Revenge is not a valid motive, it's an emotional response. No, not vengeance. Punishment.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by XCLTM3 View Post

                        See the response above yours? Posted by Chris Makris a few hours earlier than yours?
                        See Kevin's response.

                        Your post that included the point that he quoted was posted after Chris's post. Regardless of Chris chiming in - before or after your inclusion of Point 5 - it is still relevant: if you want to be sure that we will see or address it, it needs to go to support.

                        Asking any of the team to chime in here in the forum sets people up for failure. What if we miss it? What if one of us answers it while on the road and forget by the time we get home? Support is all tracked, and guaranteed to be seen by the team. That tracking allows us to ensure that things can get passed around and answered without getting lost/buried in the forum.
                        Kyle Rodgers
                        PMDG Simulations

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                          #13
                          krodgers

                          No problem. I will endeavour to to ensure all future requests etc are funneled through the support ticket system.
                          Steve Summers - i7 8770K @ 4.7Ghz - 16Gb Corsair Vengeance DDR4 3000Mhz - Geforce GTX 1070 Ti 8Gb - ACER X34 Predator IPS GSYNC 3440x1440 - ASUS ROG STRIX Z370-H - 3 x Samsung Pro SSD 512Gb - Water Cooler: Corsair H100i GTX - Win 10 Pro 64 - P3Dv4.5 + ASP4 + ASCA + PMDG NGX + ORBX + FlightBeam + FSDT + Fly Tampa + Pacsim + AUScene: Revenge is not a valid motive, it's an emotional response. No, not vengeance. Punishment.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by XCLTM3 View Post
                            krodgers

                            No problem. I will endeavour to to ensure all future requests etc are funneled through the support ticket system.
                            However PMDG tries their best to get it like the exact plane in real life if it doesnt break SSI like ( cockpit door switches, and etc) that could cause a negative outcome
                            Alex Kulak
                            PMDG Studier and flyer
                            Ramp Agent @PHX

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by XCLTM3 View Post
                              See the response above yours? Posted by Chris Makris a few hours earlier than yours?
                              Yes, I did. That still doesn't change my point since you state that you failed to get a response from PMDG elsewhere, which led to starting a new thread in the hopes that somebody from PMDG would respond. Whether Chris responded here or not is irrelevant, the point is if you want to be sure you actually get a response from PMDG, you need to submit a support ticket to be sure that somebody actually responds, rather than post here and hope that somebody does. Yes, Chris did in this case, but what if he didn't.
                              Captain Kevin

                              Kevin Yang

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                                #16
                                Originally posted by Captain Kevin View Post
                                Yes, I did. That still doesn't change my point since you state that you failed to get a response from PMDG elsewhere, which led to starting a new thread in the hopes that somebody from PMDG would respond. Whether Chris responded here or not is irrelevant, the point is if you want to be sure you actually get a response from PMDG, you need to submit a support ticket to be sure that somebody actually responds, rather than post here and hope that somebody does. Yes, Chris did in this case, but what if he didn't.
                                Already covered by Kyle. See above
                                Steve Summers - i7 8770K @ 4.7Ghz - 16Gb Corsair Vengeance DDR4 3000Mhz - Geforce GTX 1070 Ti 8Gb - ACER X34 Predator IPS GSYNC 3440x1440 - ASUS ROG STRIX Z370-H - 3 x Samsung Pro SSD 512Gb - Water Cooler: Corsair H100i GTX - Win 10 Pro 64 - P3Dv4.5 + ASP4 + ASCA + PMDG NGX + ORBX + FlightBeam + FSDT + Fly Tampa + Pacsim + AUScene: Revenge is not a valid motive, it's an emotional response. No, not vengeance. Punishment.

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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by XCLTM3 View Post
                                  Already covered by Kyle. See above
                                  Yes, I saw his response as WEL, but since you directed the question at me, I responded accordingly. It may come as a surprise to you, but Kyle is not, in fact, me.
                                  Captain Kevin

                                  Kevin Yang

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                                    #18
                                    K. I think the message was well received. Onward and upward.
                                    Kyle Rodgers
                                    PMDG Simulations

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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by krodgers View Post
                                      K. I think the message was well received. Onward and upward.
                                      Yes sir indeed
                                      Alex Kulak
                                      PMDG Studier and flyer
                                      Ramp Agent @PHX

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