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    777-200 vs 777-300

    Thinking about the expansion. Just got the Base package. What are the main differences between the 200LR and the 300ER in PMDG?
    Charles Harris
    KRTS The Valley of Speed
    Former Chief plane wax and taper Grace 8

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    Ehm, Length, weight, engines, taxi-cam, maximum weights.

    Did I leave anything out guys?
    Greetz!
    Thanny Davelaar - Proud owner of PMDG NGX, 777, 747

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      #3
      OK I had that coming. So from a flight sim experience level what do I gain by adding the 300ER?
      Charles Harris
      KRTS The Valley of Speed
      Former Chief plane wax and taper Grace 8

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        #4
        More real-world liveries?
        Captain Kevin

        Live streams of my flights here.
        Kevin Yang

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          #5
          The main difference in the simulation is the taxi-cam.

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            #6
            Cosmetically:
            -Wings/Engines are the same.
            -The -300ER is longer than the 200LR and has slightly different main landing gear..

            Internally:
            -Same, but cabin size is different.

            Performance wise:
            -The -300ER is a beast...IMO, the King of the skies.
            -200LR is a short beast...can do -200ER flight plans with ease.

            Gabriel Guzman, All Nippon Airways - KIAH

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              #7
              Thanks Gabe. Does 300ER require longer runway? 200 gets up to speed pretty quick even with the slow rotation.
              Charles Harris
              KRTS The Valley of Speed
              Former Chief plane wax and taper Grace 8

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                #8
                The 300ER is a great addition. They both have their own set of challenges. I think the 200LR is more difficult during takeoff and climb because it is so powerful and things happen so quickly. On the other hand, the 300ER is more difficult during approach and landing, primarily because of it's weight - it can be difficult to slow down. The 300ER seems to lumber down the runway, slowly building speed. You have that sensation that there is a lot of power pushing you, and the acceleration will never stop. Love them both. Just my 2 cents.
                Matt Sweet

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                • DDowns
                  DDowns commented
                  Editing a comment
                  Agree, in fact of the two I'd give the 77W a slight edge because it 'feels' like a heavier aircraft. Lovely to handfly (one you get use to the trim). That long huge (just the engines are each the diameter of a B737) airplane is beautiful in AA colors!

                • MattSweet
                  MattSweet commented
                  Editing a comment
                  Yes, I left that part out. I sometimes hand fly it all the way into the 20’s. Once it’s trimmed out for speed it’s delightful. Totally agree. The trim does take some finesse. I would recommend to the OP to be conservative with the trim, since you don’t have the audible spinning wheel cues like with the NG. Aggressive trim inputs will find you fighting the aircraft more than flying it.

                #9
                The sound of those engines when they start up....! Mmmmmm
                André Hansson

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                  #10
                  Thanks guys.

                  You forgot to mention that a fully loaded 300ER needs a lot of runway and flaps 15 for take off. Tail strike on my first take off, learned the hard way on that one. 200 feels like a sports car in comparison!
                  Charles Harris
                  KRTS The Valley of Speed
                  Former Chief plane wax and taper Grace 8

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                    #11
                    The FCTM has a lot to say about takeoff and specifically rotation, see pg 3.7. Rotate at a couple of degrees per second such that at 4 sec you have 8 deg nose up and liftoff and at 6-7 sec you are at 14 deg nose up and 35 ft AGL.

                    I am pretty sure that at least half the beta test team had a tail strike at least once during testing.
                    Dan Downs KCRP

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                      #12
                      Thanks Dan. Tutorial calls for flaps 5. I found the other info in the FCTM thank god. Full payload take off flaps 15 from KSFO on 1R was still (ahem) exciting. Loving both versions.
                      Charles Harris
                      KRTS The Valley of Speed
                      Former Chief plane wax and taper Grace 8

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