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Taking my 747 to KLGA - question.

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    Taking my 747 to KLGA - question.

    Say I want to take my 747 to KLGA, How would I know if I am restricted do to size. I see the weight restrictions below? But I think an empty 747 is below 360,000 lbs, so can I take an empty 747 there? What does PCN 98 /R/B/W/T mean? Also where does it tell me the max wing span allowed? I hate to land there and knock over light poles, wind socks or clip another plane? I know no gates at KLGA can accept a 747, but they do have a laydown area for private planes (that is where Trump's 757 used to park). I was thinking if I was a billionaire and wanted to buy ONLY 1 plane to get me around with my harem, what would I choose? a 747 - and be limited to many airports, a 737 and be limited to range - or a 787 and get somewhere in-between? BOEING only!
    Weight bearing capacity:
    KJFK
    PCN 98 /R/B/W/T
    Double wheel: 210.0
    Double tandem: 550.0
    Dual double tandem: 1100.0
    Weight bearing capacity:
    KLGA
    PCN 63 /F/B/W/T
    Single wheel: 80.0
    Double wheel: 170.0
    Double tandem: 360.0
    Paul Gugliotta

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    Empty weight of a Boeing 747-400 is actually around 394,000 pounds, so you realistically won't be able to fly to LGA. Don't forget that part of the runways sit on a pier, so I don't think they were designed to handle that kind of weight.
    Captain Kevin

    Kevin Yang

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      #3
      The -400F EW is around 360000 lbs, but you need fuel, and some of that will have to be ballast, so itll be more than you would need to just get to JFK or EWR. Also:

      https://www.skybrary.aero/index.php/...on_Number_(PCN)
      Last edited by ABurek; 28Oct2020, 17:24.
      Allan Burek

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        #4
        Originally posted by ABurek View Post
        The -400F EW is around 360000 lbs, but you need fuel, and some of that will have to be ballast, so itll be more than you would need to just get to JFK or EWR.
        Boeing ACAPS data is showing at least 363,000 pounds for the -400F, so not even then.
        Captain Kevin

        Kevin Yang

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          #5
          PCN is Pavement Classification Number, and it's associated with ACN, which, if memory serves, is Aircraft Classification Number. The letters between the slashes represent pavement type and subgrade. It's a measurement of weight bearing capacity. But you've touched on the chief metric for choosing a private jet: "what's my mission?" A 747 is definitely NOT an ideal private jet because one of the huge advantages of a private jet is to get you closer to your house or to your destination than a major airport. Even a BBJ is less than perfect; restrictions at TEB and ASE for example. That's why purpose-built private jets have an advantage (Gulfstream 650, Global 7500, and smaller) - they can *actually* go everywhere. Still - I think the BBJ is my favorite business jet. And I still fly 747s around in private liveries in the sim.

          If you're insisting on a private Boeing, for maximum versatility, your goal will the the smallest plane with the longest range; the standard BBJ. You'll still have to make sacrifices: RIL or EGE instead of ASE, EWR or LGA instead of TEB, etc. With the 9 tank configuration on the BBJ, you should only be a single tech-stop away from any two points on earth though.
          Last edited by Lseatflyr; 28Oct2020, 23:39.
          Tony Fiore
          E175/LR60/LRJET

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