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[10NOV19] Lets talk about textures and lighting and PBR...

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  • oblongmushroom
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    Originally posted by serge_s View Post
    Here is a very short clip of the flight this morning comparing HDR On vs. Off. I think I prefer it being disabled, but you be the judge...



    (It may take some time to fully render the video to 4K resolution, I just uploaded it)

    I agree, much better without!


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  • threegreen
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    Originally posted by serge_s View Post

    Niklas, I did play with the settings and have the Bloom set all the way off (to the left). Brightness is set to the left so it's not so dark, but not overly light. The other slider (Saturation I think) I don't touch. So in the video, whatever settings I had set, didn't move, obly checking and unchecking the HDR box.

    I agree, the sky should not be so bright at 5 oclock in the morning

    If you have some settings I can try, let me know.
    I have actually only increased brightness slightly and reduced bloom, probably nothing you haven't tried. What certainly overexposes the sky is the HDR adaptation effect when it hasn't yet adjusted to the new scene outside the cockpit. I think HDR provides a realistic sky during normal daylight, but, looking at your video, I might play with HDR a bit because I do think the sunrise (and therefore probably sunsets too) are too bright.

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  • serge_s
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    Originally posted by threegreen View Post
    I think in your video HDR mainly makes the whole picture brighter and probably too bright during the sunrise. Have you played with the individual HDR settings too or just compared HDR on vs. off with settings unchanged?
    Niklas, I did play with the settings and have the Bloom set all the way off (to the left). Brightness is set to the left so it's not so dark, but not overly light. The other slider (Saturation I think) I don't touch. So in the video, whatever settings I had set, didn't move, obly checking and unchecking the HDR box.

    I agree, the sky should not be so bright at 5 oclock in the morning

    If you have some settings I can try, let me know.

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  • threegreen
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    Originally posted by serge_s View Post
    Here is a very short clip of the flight this morning comparing HDR On vs. Off. I think I prefer it being disabled, but you be the judge...
    I think in your video HDR mainly makes the whole picture brighter and probably too bright during the sunrise. Have you played with the individual HDR settings too or just compared HDR on vs. off with settings unchanged?

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  • serge_s
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    Niklas, I meant the whole HDR in general (checkbox). If there is a way to customize, I'd be open to suggestions. I have tried 3rd party shader products, but didn't like the end result.

  • serge_s
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    Here is a very short clip of the flight this morning comparing HDR On vs. Off. I think I prefer it being disabled, but you be the judge...



    (It may take some time to fully render the video to 4K resolution, I just uploaded it)

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  • threegreen
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    Originally posted by serge_s View Post
    Robert,

    I think I'm in agreement with your take on the HDR implementation. I played with the graphics settings today during a very long morning cruise from Phoenix to Orlando, with the sun in my face. I like how the panel looks when HDR is checked, however the sky looks over exposed and unrealistic. With HDR unchecked, the sky and atmosphere look much more realistic, but the panel looks somewhat dull. I went back and fourth on this a few times, and in the end decided to leave the HDR turned off. I shot video of it and may post it here shortly for a side-by-side comparison.

    Thanks
    When you say the sky is overexposed, are you talking about the whole of HDR or just about the HDR luminance adaptation effect?

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  • serge_s
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    Robert,

    I think I'm in agreement with your take on the HDR implementation. I played with the graphics settings today during a very long morning cruise from Phoenix to Orlando, with the sun in my face. I like how the panel looks when HDR is checked, however the sky looks over exposed and unrealistic. With HDR unchecked, the sky and atmosphere look much more realistic, but the panel looks somewhat dull. I went back and fourth on this a few times, and in the end decided to leave the HDR turned off. I shot video of it and may post it here shortly for a side-by-side comparison.

    Thanks

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  • oblongmushroom
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    The model is amazing and the PBR and texturing are extremely impressive!

    Cant wait to get all the products in FS2020!! had me at hello!

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    Last edited by oblongmushroom; 29Nov2019, 17:18.

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  • Angus
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    Thanks for that info Robert, I reverted back to default shaders and I just use REX environment force for scene lighting and I must say it’s brilliant.

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  • DDowns
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    Add a touch of flood light. Unless the sun in shining on the panel it is going to seem dark.

  • BrendanHallett
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    I have upgraded to v4.5 have no shaders installed, and have the same dark cockpit problem. (I did a complete in reinstall of the client/content, and deleted the shaders folder)

    If I switch HDR on the cockpit it looks much better but everytthing else outside the cockpit looks terrible.

    Can anyone offer any suugestions?

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  • Captain Kevin
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    Don't think there's much you can do about that. With older freeware, I would have just painted past the boundaries of the paint kit, but it appears that that method won't work here since that particular area is already at the end of the texture file.

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  • UnitedBill36
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    Thanks again Captain.. aka Ground Mechanic.. I do appreciate that help..

  • Captain Kevin
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    Originally posted by UnitedBill36 View Post
    Do we have any aircraft mechanics online from PMDG or Robert yourself if your not busy, I'd like one of you stop by my stream, see if you can't help me fix something on my plane or if it needs to be done by you guys on your side, but one of my SSW 737-900ER only the one side of the map lights work, Captain side is not coming on or lighting up and I don't know if its something I turned off accidentally not knowing I did or even anything I can have done or can be done on my side, my other planes seem to be working fine. This one I am in right now though is giving me issues..
    Solved. HUD was the issue.

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  • UnitedBill36
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    Do we have any aircraft mechanics online from PMDG or Robert yourself if your not busy, I'd like one of you stop by my stream, see if you can't help me fix something on my plane or if it needs to be done by you guys on your side, but one of my SSW 737-900ER only the one side of the map lights work, Captain side is not coming on or lighting up and I don't know if its something I turned off accidentally not knowing I did or even anything I can have done or can be done on my side, my other planes seem to be working fine. This one I am in right now though is giving me issues..

    Its hard to tell I know in daylight hours but when you turn the FO side you can tell the other isn't working..







    https://www.twitch.tv/skypilot_bill yea if you Robert or one of your guys that can maybe fix this issue, can swing by my stream real quick, I'll show in real time what its doing, maybe A you can help me fix it right there if its something I can on my side or B something you'll have to fix for next update that I can't do from my side.. I just figure its easier to show someone what I am referring too in real time over just sending pictures.. Back n forth..

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  • threegreen
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    Uncheck the tweak "Turn off HDR luminance adaptation effect" and reapply your preset.

  • n452mk
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    threegreen Im using PTA, how I can fix using your tip above? thanks.

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  • threegreen
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    For anyone using PTA, the tweak that turns off the HDR luminance adaptation effect is what makes the cockpit very dark.

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  • krodgers
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    Originally posted by stro19 View Post
    Just the ENVSHADE,ENVDIR, ENVTEX..
    Well there's the issue. Please read the original post in this thread.

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  • stro19
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    Just the ENVSHADE,ENVDIR, ENVTEX..

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  • krodgers
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    Originally posted by stro19 View Post
    Hello,
    I was wondering why is my cockpit dark and the the leading edge of the wing and front of the cowling is black.
    Are you using any shader mods? Dynamic reflections enabled in the settings? Please note that this question has come up more than a few times here in the forum, and you might be served quicker if you take a quick look around to see if any of the several threads has a fix for you.

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  • stro19
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    Hello,
    I was wondering why is my cockpit dark and the the leading edge of the wing and front of the cowling is black.

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  • KG1000
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    Great thread, and very helpful! Just purchased this excellent update. Reading the thread, I had not updated the P3D content recently. I did notice an improvement in the general appearance and PBR. I returned to PTA from Tomato shade. This combined with the updated content made the cockpit seems somewhat brighter than before. (I see some colleagues have been having problems with darkness.) Further, grateful to those who reassured the Content does not remove aircraft et al!

    Many thanks,

    Keith Giannoni

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  • rsrandazzo
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    David,

    Thanks for reporting in. Glad to know it worked out.

    I think you will find that some shader profiles play better than others. We certainly aren't saying users should do without- just that it is helpful to know that you may need to shop around a bit to find ones that work well inside/outside and inbetween!

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  • Challenger63
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    Hello

    I did exactly that when reading this, I was trying to eliminate a totally blueish texture cockpit. I deleted shaders and ShadersHLSL then rebuild, eliminated tomatoe shaders or any external shaders program. It looks beautiful in my eyes now.

    Thank you RSR, you guys are the best.

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  • rsrandazzo
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    Amadeo,

    We aren't planning to issue optional textures on the PMDG side. Our understanding is that Lockheed Martin is going to issue a fix for the night problems, and then things will pop back to normalcy without us then having to "undo" a temporary fix.

    It is important to note that this only affects certain types of high-polish surfaces that we chose to use. Most livery painters don't make this choice and used brushed aluminum or low polish aluminum and those surfaces look more normal at night. (You can see this on the 747, where we used those lower reflective surfaces.)

    We are going to publish the paintkits here shortly and then I am sure the market will flood with options for you.

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  • DDowns
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    The night lighting issue is strictly a LM challenge, I don't think there is much an addon that uses DL can do with the lighting source unless the light source is theirs.

  • DDowns
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    Paul... Content update does nothing to your addon aircraft, liveries and sceneries. At worst, it changes the inventory of default aircraft from what was default to what is now default with a larger inventory of free stuff.

  • Aviara
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    Is there any chance we can get optional metal textures that are "night friendly". Those black textures at night is kind of an immersion killer. If it's something that can be easily done with a paint software I'd happily do it myself.

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