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    VC is Very Dark

    First of all... thanks a ton for this amazing fleet of aircraft! You guys to truly set the bar very high. Looking forward to how all this works in MSFS down the road.

    I have no doubt I have done something wrong, but don't understand what. With the aircraft on the ramp in broad daylight, I still need to add a lot of panel lights to see the panels well enough to use them. The overhead panel is especially dark. I am using v4.5 across the board, but only updated the Client for the last HF2 update (4.5.13.32097). Do I also need to update Content to v4.5.13.32097 to get PBR to work correctly? It is currently v4.5.11.29713. Thanks!

    Edit: I have never used a shader mod... totally stock shaders. The panels look just fine in all your other aircraft (777, 747, 737NGX, etc.).
    Last edited by dmiannay; 08Nov2019, 23:56.
    Doug Miannay (KATL)
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    #2
    Yes, I'm on the same boat. I have no shaders mod intsalled and the cockpit looks too dark IMHO, even during day time.
    Mauricio Brentano

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      #3
      Yeah I agree it’s a bit dark. Bright noon sunshine outside but the flight deck looks like the inside of a level D simulator.
      Tim Smith

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        #4
        Noon is directly overhead. That's not helping you.

        Using the P3D HDR or no?
        Kyle Rodgers
        PMDG Developer Emeritus

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          #5
          Originally posted by krodgers View Post
          Noon is directly overhead. That's not helping you.

          Using the P3D HDR or no?
          Hi Kyle. Thanks for weighing-in. In my situation it is 10AM west coast on a flight south from KPDX to KSFO (tutorial). And no, I do not use P3D HDR. Too much "bloom" and "washing out" for my tastes. Lots of fiddling and just can't get it where I like it.
          Last edited by dmiannay; 09Nov2019, 02:42.
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            #6
            Yeah... hdr would definitely brighten things up. Gotta use what you got 😉
            Vin Scimone
            PMDG Simulations
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              #7
              Originally posted by vscimone View Post
              Yeah... hdr would definitely brighten things up. Gotta use what you got 😉
              I understand... but I use these same settings for the other PMDG aircraft and the panel lighting is excellent.
              Last edited by dmiannay; 09Nov2019, 03:51.
              Doug Miannay (KATL)
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                #8
                Originally posted by dmiannay View Post

                I understand... but I use these same settings for the other PMDG aircraft and the panel lighting is excellent.
                Those also have different windows and brown flight decks.
                Kyle Rodgers
                PMDG Developer Emeritus

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by krodgers View Post

                  Those also have different windows and brown flight decks.
                  OK Kylie, I'm in the same boat as Doug. So does it mean we need to use P3D HDR for best visual lightning environment in the new NGXu?
                  I don't like the HDR lightning in P3D, too, but I would turn it on, if there will be no other solution to eliminate the dark VC.

                  Patric
                  Patric Scharff

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by pscharff View Post

                    OK Kylie, I'm in the same boat as Doug. So does it mean we need to use P3D HDR for best visual lightning environment in the new NGXu?
                    I don't like the HDR lightning in P3D, too, but I would turn it on, if there will be no other solution to eliminate the dark VC.

                    Patric
                    I use a combo of HDR and adjusting my monitor brightness and it works well. HDR for me brightens up the flight deck a bit.
                    Tony Fontaine

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                      #11
                      Hello Tony,

                      I've just tried the HDR option in P3Dv4. But I do not get to like with this setting. At day everything looks fine, but at night it looks horrible. The contrast of the stars is far too high. All stars have almost the same brightness - that's really unreal.

                      So, for the moment I will stick with "non-HDR" mode.
                      Patric Scharff

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                        #12
                        Patric,

                        Have you tried changing your monitor brightness and contrast?
                        Tony Fontaine

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                          #13
                          Hello Tony,

                          I've tried different HDR brightness and saturation settings within P3Dv4, but the problem remained. I think it is not a problem of the brightness setting but a problem of the HDR technics himself. For me the correct appearence of the stars is really an important point.

                          Perhaps I will try to adjust the monitor brightness, too. But my actually monitor settings are OK for all other purposes and aircraft.
                          Patric Scharff

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                            #14
                            Just made a flight with clear skys around noon. The V/C was pretty dark and I had to use the dome light. After parking, although the sun was shining bright, the cockpit was very dark. Changed the time/season to summer (still noon), but the cockpit was still as dark as before. Even with the eyebrows enabled, still the same dark V/C. Cannot remember from real visits to the cockpit, that it was so dark.
                            Best regards
                            Daniel Harms

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                              #15
                              This is my NGX vs NGXu. I don't use any shader tools or HDR. My P3D is v4.5.13.32097
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by krodgers View Post

                                Those also have different windows and brown flight decks.
                                Hi again, Kyle. My main comparison was the the PMDG B737NGX, which has a gray cockpit. Here are 4 pictures, 2 with the House PMDG 737-800NGX and 2 with the House PMDG 737-800NGXu. All pictures are with the exact same scenario (place, time of day (noon), etc.) with all cockpit lighting controls set to zero (off). PC monitor settings are the same throughout, no changes at all.

                                Again, I am not implying that there is anything wrong with the NGXu. I have no beef with PMDG and really enjoy all your products. There is, however, all things considered, a big difference in the brightness of the panels, especially the overhead. If this is completely due to the style of windows in the NGXu, and this is exactly how real-life pilots experience their real-life cockpits, I will get back to flying and make due with what we have here. Would love your thoughts.

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                                Last edited by dmiannay; 09Nov2019, 16:07.
                                Doug Miannay (KATL)
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                                  #17
                                  Created an account for this. I would agree the flight deck is a tad on the dark side, I've tried to fly around in different directions/time of day to try to get a better picture like what was commented here.

                                  I only speak from experience as I actually fly the 737NG.
                                  Herb Barrett-King

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                                    #18
                                    +1 the VC is quite dark on my end as well.
                                    Clément Hernandez

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                                      #19
                                      I tried adjusting my monitor but to no success still to dark i have to use the dome light as well .The vc is way to dark.

                                      Brendon Powys
                                      Best regards
                                      Brendon Powys
                                      Johannesburg

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                                        #20
                                        I agree the flight deck is rather dark, however with a little bit of help from REX Environment Force it looks perfectly like the pilot wearing sunglasses.
                                        Using sunglasses the colours are actually quite close! Seeing that the terrain and outside environment in P3D look like you're wearing sunglasses as well I actually get to like this effect from the PMDG cockpit.

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                                        • Ben
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                                          only a pilot does not always wear sunglasses.

                                        #21
                                        I also have to confirm that.
                                        I checked the photos I took in the real 737 cockpit (without flash of course) and added it to a screenshot as a comparison:
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                                        So it would be really great to make it a bit brighter...
                                        Best regards
                                        Matthias Knüttel

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                                          #22
                                          I agree with this,

                                          With HDR option on the cockpit is quite dark IMO,
                                          I tried to changes the monitor brightness and contrast and setup on NVIDIA CTRL panel but it not make it better.


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                                            #23
                                            I wonder why it is THAT dark for most of you. You must use some really strong shader mod.
                                            This is how mine looks. As outlined before, quite a sunglass effect, but one can live with it. It's actually pretty similar to what the real one looks like with sunglasses on.
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                                              #24
                                              Originally posted by Emi View Post
                                              I wonder why it is THAT dark for most of you. You must use some really strong shader mod.
                                              Hi Emanuel. If you go back and look, I don't use any shader mods at all. Just stock P3D shaders. The pictures I posted above show how the panels look in both the former 737-800 NGX and the new 737-800 NGXu on my PC. You can clearly see the difference. I didn't have to use shaders to get excellent looking panels in the former B737-800NGX, so am confused why I would now need shaders for the new NGXu version.

                                              I am very happy that you like how the panels look on your PC, but I am not inclined to use shaders to tweak my visuals.
                                              Doug Miannay (KATL)
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                                                #25
                                                Emanuel, what shaders and what are the related setting in P3D do you use?
                                                Vimal Ana

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                                                  #26
                                                  For those using Tomato Shade, try modifying your profile to use "Uncharted 2 Tonemap".

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                                                  Alex Pugh

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                                                    #27
                                                    Originally posted by Stormy View Post
                                                    Emanuel, what shaders and what are the related setting in P3D do you use?
                                                    Mainly REX Environment Force. Plus some tomato, but only very little modification via tomato.

                                                    If you don't use shaders try to turn up the brightness in the HDR settings, that should give you quite a boost in the VC.

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                                                    • Stormy
                                                      Stormy commented
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                                                      I think REX does something with the cockpit colors! I don't use rex sadly

                                                    #28
                                                    Originally posted by AirBadger View Post
                                                    For those using Tomato Shade, try modifying your profile to use "Uncharted 2 Tonemap".

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                                                    Thank you for that it is quite better now!

                                                    Vimal Ana

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                                                      #29
                                                      Originally posted by Emi View Post

                                                      Mainly REX Environment Force. Plus some tomato, but only very little modification via tomato.

                                                      If you don't use shaders try to turn up the brightness in the HDR settings, that should give you quite a boost in the VC.
                                                      I originally had HDR off when I switched to P3Dv4 but found that every cockpit and all terrain was much too dark for my taste. After enabling HDR and tweaking some settings I've never had a problem again. Worth a shot I think, if your flight deck looks like some of those pics and you're not using HDR.
                                                      Dan Morand
                                                      i7-7700k OC 4.8, 16GB RAM, EVGA GTX 1080 Ti SC2

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                                                        #30
                                                        Just because the NGXu is diiferent doesn't make it wrong.

                                                        The NGXu has smaller windows than the NGX. This isn't wrong. It has been corrected to be right.
                                                        Kyle Rodgers
                                                        PMDG Developer Emeritus

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