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    High altitude minimus

    Hi there, I was just wondering if there is an easy way to set high altitude minimums. Its difficult going to an airport like Denver and having to sit there for 2 minutes dialing or holding the minimums knob to get it to 5800. I know in the 777 you can type in the minimums on the FMC using the EFIS control. Is there such a feature in the 737NGXu that I can use? Thanks

    Dan G
    Dan Giordano

    #2
    I use keyboard input (in my case Ctrl and +/- ) it'll be faster than use mouse and easier.
    IRL Holding the knob to outer detente moves the number much faster than NGXu's rotation knob, although prone to overshoot.

    We fly to place with 7000+ or 10000+ minimums very often....
    ZHU Hai
    B737 Ground instructor

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      #3
      I set the landing minimums in cruise. It still takes a while for high altitude destinations but there's plenty of time available.

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        #4
        Ditto Kevin.... setting minimums is one of the items I always accomplish in my pre-descent flow. Maybe 30-85 nm before TOD, I get the METAR and confirm direction of landing flows, preset destination altimeter and approach minima, brief the approach to myself and note the missed approach altitude, scan the arrival to make sure if there are any EXPECT altitudes that I insert those into the FMS, estimate GLW and calculate Vappr speeds and set autobrake. All of this should be done before TOD.

        Sure, there are occasional changes, but the arrival and approach is usually known with high level of certainty when within 100 nm of TOD.

        As for manipulating the mins setting control, I have a trackball and instead of a mouse wheel it has a cylindrical roller and it's very easy to spin the baby with the palm side of three fingers to make big changes.
        Last edited by DDowns; 14Sep2021, 13:37.
        Dan Downs KCRP
        i7-10700K 32GB 3600MHz 2080Ti

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          #5
          Yeah, you need time to set it, but as my experience, while I didn't time it, to set DA from 2000' to 7000' IRL feels OKish slow, with keyboard input on NGXu is annoyingly slow, and with mouse wheel or RMB hold is painfully slow...
          ZHU Hai
          B737 Ground instructor

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            #6
            Both in the real airplane and in the NGXu, the minimums figure rate of change accelerates the longer you hold it. Remember there are two modes of changing the minimums in the NGXu. The realistic version works in a similar way to the real airplane. The first notch of twist changes units one at a time. Then if you twist the knob fully and hold it, it will change the minimums incrementally and the rate will increase the longer you hold it. After 1 or two seconds holding it, it should increase in hundreds so to get it to dial in 5000ft shouldn't take more than 5 or 6 seconds.
            Omar Josef
            737 FO
            757/767 rated
            Spain

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              #7
              Originally posted by Aeromar View Post
              Both in the real airplane and in the NGXu, the minimums figure rate of change accelerates the longer you hold it. Remember there are two modes of changing the minimums in the NGXu. The realistic version works in a similar way to the real airplane. The first notch of twist changes units one at a time. Then if you twist the knob fully and hold it, it will change the minimums incrementally and the rate will increase the longer you hold it. After 1 or two seconds holding it, it should increase in hundreds so to get it to dial in 5000ft shouldn't take more than 5 or 6 seconds.
              Omar, I hope it would work like the real AC, but it doesn't. What I discovered is that if you map it in the FMC CDU (Key Comands, Efis Capt, Mins dec and Mins Inc) to a keyboard (CTRL + [ and CTRL + ] in my case) and don't use the mouse wheel nor the mouse buttons, just use the mapped keyboard button/s and hold it, it will increase fairly quick, not to get to 5000 in 5 secs but much more quicker than using the mouse buttons for sure.
              Last edited by 737NG4EVER; 14Sep2021, 22:00.
              Sergio Naiberg

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                #8
                My bad. They removed the option to change the minimums knob behavior. The PMDG777 still has it. In the realistic option you click for units and click and drag a bit to increase tens and then rate will increase. Maybe you could submit a ticket suggesting that they add this feature again. I don't need it because I have a logitech mouse with a free rotating mouse wheel function.

                But yeah, the minimums are set in the cruise so there's plenty of time. Ideally, for unfamiliar approaches, you would hand over controls and prepare your approach and briefing some 100nm from top of descent. There's nothing more unpleasant than preparing and briefing while ATC starts descending you.
                Omar Josef
                737 FO
                757/767 rated
                Spain

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Aeromar View Post
                  There's nothing more unpleasant than preparing and briefing while ATC starts descending you.
                  You could always add a call from the cabin crew who found someone smoking in the toilet, requiring an offload statement 🤣

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