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    Could not get plane to move after landing

    I did a landing and after stopping, could not move forward again. I did a full stop, flaps up autobrake off. I did push on the brakes a bit but did let the reverse do most of the slowing down. Could the tires been damaged, is there a way to fix that in the settings in fmc. I saw replace tires

    any suggestions .
    Dean Salman

    #2
    There's an option to cool brakes or replace brakes. If you check the status page on the lower display, it would tell you if you cooked your brakes.
    Captain Kevin

    Kevin Yang

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      #3
      Thanks, Kevin on where to look. It seems the issue I am having is with the autobrake. After I land and need to use brakes, I turn off the autobrake and come to a complete stop. (I think Autobrake is disabled when brakes pushed, but I turn it off just in case) When I throttle forward, I cannot move. However, with thrust on if I enable and then disengage the autobrake, the aircraft moves a forward for a bit. Then stops and I have to repeat the cycle. This only happens with MSFS (not always) and never in P3D so not sure where the issue is. It could be the way I us turning the autobrake on in Spad.NEXT but this works the same as P3D. (I have the Thustmaster Airbus Throttle package). I won't use autobrake and see if that fixes it, then I know where to look.

      This is what I put in Spad.NEXT.

      <BaseEvent xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema" xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" BoundTo="AUTOBRAKE" xmlns="http://www.fsgs.com/SPAD">
      <EventDefinitions>
      <EventDefinition Trigger="MODE_ABRK_DISARM">
      <EventActions>
      <EventActionControl TargetDataDefinition="PMDGNG3:EVT MPM AUTOBRAKE SELECTOR" />
      </EventActions>
      </EventDefinition>
      <EventDefinition Trigger="MODE_ABRK_BTV">
      <EventActions>
      <EventActionControl TargetDataDefinition="PMDGNG3:EVT MPM AUTOBRAKE SELECTOR">
      <Parameter Value="1" />
      </EventActionControl>
      </EventActions>
      </EventDefinition>
      <EventDefinition Trigger="MODE_ABRK_LO">
      <EventActions>
      <EventActionControl TargetDataDefinition="PMDGNG3:EVT MPM AUTOBRAKE SELECTOR">
      <Parameter Value="2" />
      </EventActionControl>
      </EventActions>
      </EventDefinition>
      <EventDefinition Trigger="MODE_ABRK_2">
      <EventActions>
      <EventActionControl TargetDataDefinition="PMDGNG3:EVT MPM AUTOBRAKE SELECTOR">
      <Parameter Value="3" />
      </EventActionControl>
      </EventActions>
      </EventDefinition>
      <EventDefinition Trigger="MODE_ABRK_3">
      <EventActions>
      <EventActionControl TargetDataDefinition="PMDGNG3:EVT MPM AUTOBRAKE SELECTOR">
      <Parameter Value="4" />
      </EventActionControl>
      </EventActions>
      </EventDefinition>
      <EventDefinition Trigger="MODE_ABRK_HI">
      <EventActions>
      <EventActionControl TargetDataDefinition="PMDGNG3:EVT MPM AUTOBRAKE SELECTOR">
      <Parameter Value="5" />
      </EventActionControl>
      </EventActions>
      </EventDefinition>
      </EventDefinitions>
      </BaseEvent>​
      Dean Salman

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        #4
        Disregard, not applicable after OP provided further information.
        George Morris

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          #5
          I've had this issue as well, and I don't use auto autobrakes on landing much (I'm following Southwest Airlines SOP, which is to not use autobrakes at all unless there is severe weather.)
          Tom Clarkson

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            #6
            I don't think the auto brakes is the cause anymore. I have been using FSUIPC for rudders and steering tiller and when I remove that out of the picture, everything is working again. I have it setup the same way in P3D and never had a issue. But this is FSUIPC 7 so who knows. I need to experiment more.
            Dean Salman

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              #7
              A general note to community when troubleshooting, please do not compare anything in P3D to MSFS. It is incorrect to believe that because it works, or is configured a certain way in P3D that the same should be true in MSFS.

              MSFS is an all new platform with all new add on software. It’s a brave new world.
              George Morris

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                #8
                Good point, George. I guess that is like comparing Windows 3.1 with Windows 95 I am very impressed with the MSFS 2020 PMDG 737, that's for sure.

                Dean Salman

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by HDR10 View Post
                  I've had this issue as well, and I don't use auto autobrakes on landing much (I'm following Southwest Airlines SOP, which is to not use autobrakes at all unless there is severe weather.)
                  This policy may be true although I'd like to see a reference to something other than the generic "SOP," but we are referring a PC based simulation where acceleration/deceleration forces are totally missing. The only gauge one has that the amount of braking is about right is to watch the GS decay and that's not good enough to prevent the brakes from overheating. If you cannot judge the deceleration then it may be best to let the autobrake, which PMDG has modeled based on Boeing engineering data, to do that task for you.
                  Dan Downs KCRP
                  i7-10700K 32GB 3600MHz 3080Ti

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by DDowns View Post

                    This policy may be true although I'd like to see a reference to something other than the generic "SOP," but we are referring a PC based simulation where acceleration/deceleration forces are totally missing. The only gauge one has that the amount of braking is about right is to watch the GS decay and that's not good enough to prevent the brakes from overheating. If you cannot judge the deceleration then it may be best to let the autobrake, which PMDG has modeled based on Boeing engineering data, to do that task for you.
                    I've had this happen to me even back when I was using autobrakes on every landing. OP uses autobrakes as well, and still has this issue.

                    It doesn't happen often, though, and it's seemingly random.
                    Tom Clarkson

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                      #11
                      I stopped using FSUIPC 7 for brakes, rudders, and steering tiller and that seems to have fixed my issue. Is there another way to get the steering tiller to work, without putting the assignment in MSFS 2020. It is nice they have settings for each aircraft, but the user has to select the saved settings instead of the settings being loaded when a aircraft is loaded. So I use Spad.NEXT for brakes and rudder. I tried a custom Axis but not getting very far with it.
                      Dean Salman

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                      • mbfcons@uol.com.br
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                        I have installed fsuipc7 in my computer by request of the program LANDING RATING MONITOR (LRM) and since then (i got the feeling) my steering problems began. How to stop using the FSUIPC only for brakes, rudders and steering? By the way, I decided to ground my whole fleet of B738 until a solution for this steering problem is foung. Meanwhile I am flying FBW A320 (experimental version) which is absulutely flyiable and keeps improving weekly.

                      #12
                      And this is why I shouldn't post at 01:12 AM in the morning. I didn't realize it was MSFS. With SPAD.neXt, I have a custom axis with the target set to STEERING_SET, but I don't know if that works for MSFS.
                      Captain Kevin

                      Kevin Yang

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                        #13
                        Thanks Kevin. At least I am on the right track. Steering set did not work but I will look deeper into how to set this up. I prefer to use a tiller so just need to loosen deeper into it. Forgot to set the pmdg setup in the FMC to rudder and steering so will give fsuipc another try
                        Dean Salman

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                          #14
                          Originally posted by dsalman1 View Post
                          Thanks Kevin. At least I am on the right track. Steering set did not work but I will look deeper into how to set this up. I prefer to use a tiller so just need to loosen deeper into it. Forgot to set the pmdg setup in the FMC to rudder and steering so will give fsuipc another try
                          My tiller is just a cheap second joystick with the roll axis assigned to MSFS Nose Wheel Steering Axis. Nothing complicated. Works every time.
                          Dan Downs KCRP
                          i7-10700K 32GB 3600MHz 3080Ti

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                            #15
                            Thanks, Dan. I am using a joystick. If I assign that in MSFS and set PMDG FMC setup for rudder and Tiller, would the rudders still work on say a C310 like they are supposed to work. With the 737, the rudders only work after a certain speed and tiller slow speeds which I like. I can put the rudder assignment in MSFS if that is the case.

                            Stupid question, of course they will, sorry
                            Last edited by dsalman1; 09May2023, 02:22.
                            Dean Salman

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                              #16
                              Originally posted by dsalman1 View Post
                              Thanks, Dan. I am using a joystick. If I assign that in MSFS and set PMDG FMC setup for rudder and Tiller, would the rudders still work on say a C310 like they are supposed to work. With the 737, the rudders only work after a certain speed and tiller slow speeds which I like. I can put the rudder assignment in MSFS if that is the case.

                              Stupid question, of course they will, sorry
                              My tiller is assigned to MSFS Nose Wheel Steering axis and I have Rudder and Tiller selected in PMDG Setup. While taxiing I use rudder to maintain centerline and the tiller is used for turns and maneuvering. Both are always working with the nose wheel but the rudder steering has far less authority, I think maybe 7 deg vs the tiller's 60 deg.
                              Dan Downs KCRP
                              i7-10700K 32GB 3600MHz 3080Ti

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                                #17
                                Originally posted by DDowns View Post

                                My tiller is assigned to MSFS Nose Wheel Steering axis and I have Rudder and Tiller selected in PMDG Setup. While taxiing I use rudder to maintain centerline and the tiller is used for turns and maneuvering. Both are always working with the nose wheel but the rudder steering has far less authority, I think maybe 7 deg vs the tiller's 60 deg.
                                exactly what I do. Rudder for T/O and Landing and tiller for taxiing. Faultless!
                                rgds
                                Paul Bruce

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                                  #18
                                  I got the tiller working with fsuipc 7 perfect now. Not sure what the issue was but it works great now
                                  Dean Salman

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                                  • Steve M
                                    Steve M commented
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                                    Happy landings...and being able to move and steer afterwards! πŸ˜‰
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