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    No distance rings on map display

    Since the last update I cannot see any mileage distance rings on the regular map display, on any available distance adjustment.

    If I change to the WX or Terrain display the distance rings are there, back to the normal display they disapear.


    I checked other PMDG aircraft (737 NGX, B777200/300) and the distance rings show on the map display in any configuration.


    Any idea what is wrong?

    Thank you.
    Andy

    #2
    That is correct as it is know.
    Chris Makris (Olympic260)
    PMDG Technical Support
    http://www.pmdg.com

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      #3
      I believe you can change them to always show in the aircraft equipment options. These settings are saved for each tail number individually.
      i7-6700k, GTX 1080TI, 32GB DDR4 RAM @2666MHz, 4k
      Marc Ehnle

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        #4
        Hi Marc,

        I checked all the options, have not found where to set it so that it shows all the time.

        BR
        Andy

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          #5
          Originally posted by andypanda View Post
          Hi Marc,

          I checked all the options, have not found where to set it so that it shows all the time.

          BR
          Andy
          Wow, your right, sorry. I mistook it with the Display Options, page 5/9 "Range Arcs". But it only sets if they show up at all or never. But you still need to activate WXR or TFC. But IMHO that's no problem, you would display at least the traffic anyway.
          i7-6700k, GTX 1080TI, 32GB DDR4 RAM @2666MHz, 4k
          Marc Ehnle

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            #6
            Originally posted by andypanda View Post
            Since the last update I cannot see any mileage distance rings on the regular map display, on any available distance adjustment.

            If I change to the WX or Terrain display the distance rings are there, back to the normal display they disapear.

            I checked other PMDG aircraft (737 NGX, B777200/300) and the distance rings show on the map display in any configuration.

            Any idea what is wrong?

            Thank you.
            Andy
            Nothing is wrong, because there are no distance rings on the original B744 MAP display. What you should see instead is a Range Scale on the Present Track Line.
            Michael Codd

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              #7
              Hi Michael,

              Thank you for your reply. It is what is is.

              Best regards.
              Andy Ziegler

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                #8
                Originally posted by Michael Codd View Post

                Nothing is wrong, because there are no distance rings on the original B744 MAP display. What you should see instead is a Range Scale on the Present Track Line.
                When did the rings come in? I'm curious because I've seen real life photos of the cockpit with the rings on and those without, even when airborne and with the WXR switched on.
                Craig Norman

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                  #9
                  @andypan,

                  If you talking about this
                  1.JPG
                  In the real 747-400 it was available from day one while PMDG has an option to turn it on.

                  2.JPG
                  Attached Files
                  Aurel Vlaicu

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                    #10
                    Dear Aurel,

                    Thank you for your reply.

                    Yes, I am talking about range arcs on the ND.

                    I also have them selected in the options, and they only show up either in the WX or the Terrain display, NOT in the regular display.

                    Check your picture, you are in the WX display.

                    I am enclosing a picture that shows on the left, regular ND navigation display, no distance arcs - right side WX ND navigation display with arcs, you can also see I selected the arcs in the options.

                    As I learned from Chris and Michael that also replied to my questions this is the way it is.


                    Best regards.
                    Andy Ziegler

                    PMDG B747-800 PD with and without arcs.jpg
                    Last edited by andypanda; 17Oct2020, 17:42.

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                      #11
                      Hi Andy,

                      This is an option on 400 and -8 to have range arcs on ND.
                      We have this option available on both fleets, both sides but not one side has it and the other no.
                      Granted a few times they had to replace an ND during a maintenance stop and they didn't have the correct pins active to show the range arcs and as a result, one side had the info and the other didn't.
                      I found one picture from a 400 and if is necessary next time on the road when I fly the -8 I can also take a picture where for sure you will see both sides showing range arcs on ND.

                      1.JPG
                      Aurel Vlaicu

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Aurel Vlaicu View Post
                        Hi Andy,

                        This is an optionon 400 and -8 to have range arcs on ND.
                        We have this option available on both fleets, both sides but not one side has it and the other no.
                        Granted a few times they had to replace an ND during a maintenance stop and they didn't have the correct pins active to show the range arcs and as a result, one side had the info and the other didn't.
                        I found one picture from a 400 and if is necessary next time on the road when I fly the -8 I can also take a picture where for sure you will see both sides showing range arcs on ND.
                        Aurel,
                        You are quite correct when you say the range arcs are an option on 400 and -8 aircraft today, but according to the technical information I have seen they were definitely NOT present in MAP mode in the earlier/original B744 NAV displays.

                        Like many of the hardware and software modifications and improvements that Boeing and their suppliers (including Honeywell) have introduced over the years, these changes would typically be either mandatory, or a standard upgrade fit, or sometimes be offered as an airline option. In the case of the B747-8 I believe the MAP display range arcs are a standard fit on all of these aircraft as well as those few B744's that are still flying, so no doubt this explains why PMDG have included them as a selectable option.
                        Michael Codd

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                          #13
                          Michael,
                          We received the first 744 in 1989 and they were fitted with this option. Now regarding the -8 I would say that 60% of them (of course other company) have this option.
                          From Andys picture left ND even, it has the range arcs option set on it doesn't show. Now I can't see clearly from his attached picture if he has WX turned on or off, that might explain why I don't see any range arcs?
                          I'm on the road and on my device screen is way too small for such details.

                          Thanks.
                          Aurel Vlaicu

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                            #14
                            Hi everybody,

                            Please read my very first post carefully, and this one all the way to the end, thank you.


                            In my last post, on the picture, I just wanted to show the different ND screens that are available in the B747-800.


                            1. In the CDU I have selected the range arcs in the options, so this is a global option. PMDG SETUP - AIRCRAFT - DISPLAYS - RANGE ARCS = ON (green).

                            2. LEFT ND - regular navigation display, NO selection of either Wx or Terrain = NO distance arcs visible.

                            3. RIGHT ND - I selected the Wx option by pressing the WXR button, then pressed TFC on the EFIS range selector = distance arcs ARE visible.


                            As I wrote in my original post I checked the other PMDG aircraft (737 NGX, B777200/300) and the distance arcs show on the ND in any configuration, as I have the same settings on the CDU.
                            PMDG SETUP - AIRCRAFT - DISPLAYS - RANGE ARCS = ON (green).

                            This is why I came up with the question why it would not work on the B747-800 aircraft if it works on the other models.

                            BTW, I wrote that this is like this since the last update in the PMDG Operations Center. Before that the distance arcs were always visible on the B747-800.


                            Thank you.

                            Andy Ziegler

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                              #15
                              Hi Andy,
                              Yep, misunderstanding due to not reading carefully, sorry.
                              I don't know anything about the other PMDG airplanes you mentioned, in reference to the 400 and -8 if equipped with the range arcs option they will show when you turn on wx, .
                              I'm on the road and can't really verify which version I have and compare.
                              Aurel Vlaicu

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                                #16
                                Originally posted by andypanda View Post
                                Hi everybody,

                                Please read my very first post carefully, and this one all the way to the end, thank you.


                                In my last post, on the picture, I just wanted to show the different ND screens that are available in the B747-800.


                                1. In the CDU I have selected the range arcs in the options, so this is a global option. PMDG SETUP - AIRCRAFT - DISPLAYS - RANGE ARCS = ON (green).

                                2. LEFT ND - regular navigation display, NO selection of either Wx or Terrain = NO distance arcs visible.

                                3. RIGHT ND - I selected the Wx option by pressing the WXR button, then pressed TFC on the EFIS range selector = distance arcs ARE visible.


                                As I wrote in my original post I checked the other PMDG aircraft (737 NGX, B777200/300) and the distance arcs show on the ND in any configuration, as I have the same settings on the CDU.
                                PMDG SETUP - AIRCRAFT - DISPLAYS - RANGE ARCS = ON (green).

                                This is why I came up with the question why it would not work on the B747-800 aircraft if it works on the other models.

                                BTW, I wrote that this is like this since the last update in the PMDG Operations Center. Before that the distance arcs were always visible on the B747-800.


                                Thank you.

                                Andy Ziegler
                                Andy,

                                On the real B744/8, the ND range arcs only display if WXR or TERR has been selected on the EFIS.

                                On the real B737NG/B777 the ND range arcs always display (as long as TFC is selected on the EFIS). PMDG has as also modeled this behavior correctly.

                                With the most recent PMDG 744/8 update the simulation of the ND range arcs finally matches that of the real aircraft.

                                I hope this clears it up for you.






                                Last edited by Calzonister; 18Oct2020, 19:53.
                                Leo Cal

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                                  #17
                                  ND range arcs at least in the B777, is a company option that in my company we do not have, note in this pic, I have TFC and WX selected as normal, but we still do not have any ND range arcs.
                                  ND range arcs.jpg
                                  Cristian Caicedo A.

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                                    #18
                                    Yes, it is entirely customer dependant.
                                    Anton Vind
                                    CPU: i9-9900K, GPU: RTX 2080 SUPER, RAM: 32 GB DDR4 3600 MHz, Drives: 2 TB SSD

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                                      #19
                                      As already stated above

                                      B744/8 ND Range Arcs only display if WXR or TERR is selected (of course this is not applicable if the customer did not option the ND range arcs)
                                      PMDG simulates this accurately since the most recent B744//8 update (before the most recent update it was simulated incorrectly).

                                      B777/B737NG ND Range Arcs only display if TFC is selected (not applicable if the customer did not option the ND range arcs​)
                                      PMDG has always accurately simulated this in their B777/B737NG


                                      Some of you should really refer to the relevant documentation (i.e. FCOM etc.) prior to stating factually incorrect information


                                      Take Lufthansa for example, who have optioned ND range arcs on their B744/B748 fleet.

                                      Here you can see one of their B748 taxing out for departure - Notice no ND range arcs - https://www.instagram.com/p/B_2qPKIoQQr/

                                      Here you can see their B748 airborne - Notice the ND range arcs - https://www.instagram.com/p/CCLhmYyI99u/

                                      As soon as WXR or TERR is selected (typically prior to lineup) the ND range arcs appear (this is not applicable if the customer did not option ND range arcs).


                                      Fyi, ND range arcs optioned:

                                      -8i: Lufthansa, Korean Air, Air China
                                      -8f: Nippon Cargo Airlines, Korean Air, UPS, AirBridgeCargo, Qatar Airways, Saudi Arabian Airlines
                                      Last edited by Calzonister; 19Oct2020, 01:53.
                                      Leo Cal

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