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    Fan Blades Missing

    Hey guys,
    Hoping someone has some experience here or can help. The 737NGX, 737NGXu, and 777 all have fan-blades that work (can visualize them stationary when engines not running, winding up at start-up, etc). The 744 & 748 expansion both do not. I could have sworn in the past they were there and functional, and im suspecting they stopped working with a recent update but cannot confirm this. I've tried uninstalling and re-installing both and that didn't seem to make a change. Does anyone have any experience with this or have any ideas why this would happen? My PC specs are pretty far past the minimum system requirement.

    Best Regards,
    Jason D Clark

    #2
    Originally posted by JClark View Post
    Hey guys,
    Hoping someone has some experience here or can help. The 737NGX, 737NGXu, and 777 all have fan-blades that work (can visualize them stationary when engines not running, winding up at start-up, etc). The 744 & 748 expansion both do not. I could have sworn in the past they were there and functional, and im suspecting they stopped working with a recent update but cannot confirm this. I've tried uninstalling and re-installing both and that didn't seem to make a change. Does anyone have any experience with this or have any ideas why this would happen? My PC specs are pretty far past the minimum system requirement.

    Best Regards,
    Jason D Clark
    Can you post a video what you actually mean are they missing or not turning as your post title is saying different to what you are trying to explain here.
    Danny Z.Cebis

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      #3
      Danny- They are missing completely. The 747 engines have no fan blades. Will try to get a good picture of it tomorrow morning to post here.

      - Jason D Clark

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        #4
        Jason,

        I spent my day today doing engine starts while tracking IDG problems and I can assure you they are there...

        Perhaps some visual corruption on your end? Have you installed any texture mods or anything unusual?

        It seems a rather odd thing to "go missing."


        Robert S. Randazzo
        PMDG Simulations
        http://www.pmdg.com


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          #5
          Originally posted by JClark View Post
          Danny- They are missing completely. The 747 engines have no fan blades. Will try to get a good picture of it tomorrow morning to post here.

          - Jason D Clark
          Jason i just checked now on both 747 and 748 and can definitely confirm that fan blades are there and spinning in default panel state that i had both aircraft in.More visible in the 748 than 747 but they are there.
          Danny Z.Cebis

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            #6
            Just to add if you position the aircraft more further away from you they are actually more visible and spinning.Also like Robert mentioned do you have or recently installed any mods,shaders.
            Last edited by Ausflight; 05Mar2020, 07:17.
            Danny Z.Cebis

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              #7
              The one recently add-on is REX Environment Force. Does anyone know if it's a known issue with this add-on?

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                #8
                Originally posted by JClark View Post
                The one recently add-on is REX Environment Force. Does anyone know if it's a known issue with this add-on?
                It's caused issues with some people in the past, though I don't remember off the top of my head what exactly those issues were.
                Captain Kevin

                Kevin Yang

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                  #9
                  Missing fan blades, hmmm... I noticed that problem a couple of times about 50 years ago during post flight inspection in Vietnam. 🤣
                  Bode Bridges
                  I Earned my Spurs in Vietnam

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                    Bode-

                    Okay- now that right there is funny. (TODAY it is funny, i mean... probably not so much back then...)

                    -RSR

                  #10
                  Originally posted by Bluestar View Post
                  Missing fan blades, hmmm... I noticed that problem a couple of times about 50 years ago during post flight inspection in Vietnam. 🤣
                  Hahahahaha 😂
                  I'm sure the missing blades were least of your problems...
                  STEFAN ĐORĐEVIĆ

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                    #11
                    Jason,

                    the only times I have seen parts of the engines missing (not PMDG though) was when I used updates of the aircraft without using the latest version of P3D. Would you please check that the client and content both are up to date? If they are maybe clearing the shaders could help. (If not, possibly the repair function of the sim installer?)
                    i7-6700k, GTX 1080TI, 32GB DDR4 RAM @1600MHz, 4k

                    Marc Ehnle

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                      #12
                      Luckily I am catching the blades missing on pre-flight before I have the chance to get to post-flight. Attached are 2x pictures (Engines Running & Cold/Dark) with Environment Force disabled. I checked P3D versions and I have 4.5.12.30293 but current is 4.5.13.32097 so going to see if an update fixes things. Appreciate all the help with this!

                      - Jason D Clark

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                        #13
                        Update... Updated to the latest P3D version and unfortunately no blades still. I am going to keep playing around to see if I can find where this is coming from but if anyone has any ideas I'm up for trying anything to avoid a full P3D re-install.

                        - Jason D Clark

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                          #14
                          Any shader mods?
                          Captain Kevin

                          Kevin Yang

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                            #15
                            Originally posted by Captain Kevin View Post
                            Any shader mods?
                            I did have REX Environment Force. Disabled and Restored P3D to Original Settings and still have the same problem unfortunately. Going to post over in their forums to see if anyone has encountered it relating to Environment Force.

                            - Jason D Clark

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                              #16
                              Update- Environment Force ruled out completely. Confirmed with REX Customer Support.

                              - Jason D Clark

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                                #17
                                Just rule it out, you're not observing the engines through a replay, but live? They would be missing in a replay because of the replay's inability to capture all PMDG animations.
                                André Hansson

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                                  #18
                                  Missing in live. No luck yet

                                  - Jason D Clark

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                                    #19
                                    Did a complete Uninstall & re-install of the 747s and still no luck. Removed all liveries so only using the default PMDG ones and unfortunately still having the same issue. The PMDG 737 & 777 both work fine. Anyone happen to know what is different about the 747 fan blades compared to the 737/777? Not really sure what else to try at this point.

                                    - Jason D Clark

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                                      #20
                                      Originally posted by JClark View Post
                                      Did a complete Uninstall & re-install of the 747s and still no luck. Removed all liveries so only using the default PMDG ones and unfortunately still having the same issue. The PMDG 737 & 777 both work fine. Anyone happen to know what is different about the 747 fan blades compared to the 737/777? Not really sure what else to try at this point.

                                      - Jason D Clark
                                      Submit a support ticket here:
                                      https://support.precisionmanuals.com/
                                      STEFAN ĐORĐEVIĆ

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                                        #21
                                        There there,post a video then also can someone post a video how they should look.I would but don’t know how to.
                                        Last edited by Ausflight; 11Mar2020, 08:14.
                                        Danny Z.Cebis

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                                          #22
                                          PMDG747-400 before engine start (screenshot) and they do spin up.

                                          Attached Files
                                          Vaughan Martell KDTW

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                                            #23
                                            That’s affirmative however i was asking for a vid from both sides so that way you can actually see if there there,spinning or otherwise as in Jason’s case not there or what nots.
                                            Danny Z.Cebis

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                                              #24
                                              Originally posted by Ausflight View Post
                                              That’s affirmative however i was asking for a vid from both sides so that way you can actually see if there there,spinning or otherwise as in Jason’s case not there or what nots.
                                              First up, I was not responding to your post.
                                              I was just posting a screenshot of the PMDG747-400 fan blades with a comment about my screenshot and test.

                                              I did the cold and dark screenshot to show the blades were present.
                                              Then I started the engines and verified the fan blades were spinning up (which I mentioned in my previous post).
                                              Last edited by von; 11Mar2020, 10:31.
                                              Vaughan Martell KDTW

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                                                Don’t quote me next time if the post is for someone else.

                                              #25
                                              Originally posted by von View Post

                                              First up, I was not responding to your post.
                                              I was just posting a screenshot of the PMDG747-400 fan blades with a comment about my screenshot and test.

                                              I did the cold and dark screenshot to show the blades were present.
                                              Then I started the engines and verified the fan blades were spinning up (which I mentioned in my previous post).
                                              Well excuse me for not katching on.Then you shouldn’t quote me in the first place if you knew you didn’t want answer from me.
                                              Danny Z.Cebis

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                                                #26
                                                Originally posted by Stefan_888 View Post

                                                Submit a support ticket here:
                                                https://support.precisionmanuals.com/
                                                Submitted a ticket. Will let you guys know what they suggest

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                                                  #27
                                                  Originally posted by Ausflight View Post

                                                  Well excuse me for not katching on.Then you shouldn’t quote me in the first place if you knew you didn’t want answer from me.
                                                  Look back at my original post.
                                                  It was just a post.
                                                  I did not quote anyone.
                                                  Vaughan Martell KDTW

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                                                    #28
                                                    Victory! I had to do this twice but the second time it worked (the previous uninstalls/reinstalls left the folder in C:\\users there):

                                                    1. Uninstall the PMDG 747-400 QOTS II and PMDG 747-8 QOTS II Expansion product from Control Panel\\Programs & Features.

                                                    2. Manually delete the PMDG 747-400 and 747-8 folders (9 of them in this product) in <P3D root folder>\\SimObjects\\Airplanes folder.


                                                    3. Manually delete any PMDG folders (13 of them total in this product) in <P3D root folder>\\SimObjects\\Misc

                                                    4. Manually delete the <P3D root folder>\\PMDG\\PMDG 747 QOTS II folder.

                                                    5. Manually delete the PMDG 747-400 and 747-8 folders (9 of them in this product) in C:\\Users\\(Your Windows Username)\\AppData\\Roaming\\Lockheed Martin\\Prepar3D v3 or v4\\SimObjects


                                                    - You may need to enable the Windows folder option "Show hidden files and folders" to see this location.

                                                    6. Download fresh copies of the installers from your account at the PMDG store for the 747-400 and 747-8 and Install both.

                                                    7. Run the PMDG Operations Center application from your Start Menu and install the product update if it offers one. This will update the aircraft to the latest version.

                                                    I was able to pinpoint the issue to a the cold/dark panel states that did not load correctly.

                                                    Best Regards,
                                                    Jason D Clark


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                                                      #29
                                                      Can anybody help me, because some of my fan blades are also missing?

                                                      I have submitted a support ticket to PMDG, but they told me this engine bug is definitely a major issue and it will take them some time to fix it. They also want me to pay shed loads of money up front to fix it, so I am wondering if I should join some sort of Cumulus Cloud Funding scheme; whatever that is?

                                                      I have no idea how this happened, but if anybody knows how to carry out a 3-engined takeoff and fly on three engines or less I would be very interested to hear from them (NB: PMDG 777 and NGXu pilots need not reply unless they regularly fly on one engine).

                                                      Fan Blades Missing.jpg

                                                      P.S. This is meant to be a joke! Hopefully it will put a smile on everyone's face in spite of the worrying spread of Coronavirus and the appalling consequences it is currently having on the whole aviation industry. Stay safe and keep well folks.
                                                      Michael Codd

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                                                        Looks like it was contained, which is more than we can say for the virus.
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