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    Updated NVIDA Driver results in cockpit screen tearing

    OK, try to follow along here folks. This morning, I got sick and tired of NVIDIA "reminding" me to update my driver every time I turned on my computer, so I updated to driver 461.40. Long story (step by step) to follow, but for now, basically I now have AWFUL screen tearing ONLY in the 3D cockpit view, but it's smooth as butter outside. So now, presenting what I've done to try to solve it so I don't get the simple answers....

    Old Driver Uninstall
    -Run DDU, click "Clean and Restart. It does so without an issue.

    New Driver Install
    -Before I had run DDU, I went to NVIDIA website and downloaded 461.40
    -I run 461.40
    -Select custom installation and check the box that says "Perform clean install"
    -It does so without issue.
    -Restart

    NVIDIA Control Panel (NCP)/Profile Inspector (PI)
    -Rip me a new one later, but stupid me forgot to back-up old settings
    -I try to remember/look-up where I may have found my old settings and apply the following (Specifically to the P3D Program in PI):
    • Frame Rate Limiter V3: 30FPS (BTW, not mentioned in my signature are my monitors: 3x144Hz G-SYNC monitors all plugged into Display Ports (DP) and 1 standard 60Hz monitor plugged into HDMI; P3D is displayed FULL SCREEN on one of the G-SYNC monitors)
    • Triple Buffering: On
    • Vertical Sync: 1/2 Refresh Rate
    • Vertical Sync Tear Control: Standard (I tried Adaptive and no better)
    • Power Management Mode: Prefer Maximum Performance
    • Threaded Optimization: On
    -So at this point, it's still an issue. Next thing I try....

    Uninstall/Re-install PMDG 747
    -Uninstall product via control panel
    -Reinstall products from download
    -All liveries in Ops Center are marked as "Repairable"; I repair.
    -Still not solved

    I've also tried
    • Different liveries
    • Different Gates
    • Different Airports
    • Different times of day
    • The 737 NGXu does NOT have this problem
    • P3D Settings
      • VSYNC: OFF
      • TB: OFF
      • Frame Limiter: UNLIMITED
      • VRR: ON(Checked)
      • Full Screen (Black-Out Desktop Unchecked)
    AGAIN, it's smooth as butter outside, EVEN IF I set PI frame rate limits to 60, it's perfectly fine outside; smooth and ZERO stutters. It's ONLY in the 3D cockpit that any camera panning, or when taxiing/pushing back that it stutters/tears.

    After you post your suggestions and/or further questions for screenshots/details, P.S. me a note that reminds me to not update my graphics driver if it ain't broken!😤😖

    Cheers.
    Josh Burr P3D v5.1.12.26829 Win 10 v.20H2
    i9-10900KF @ 3.70GHz 32.0GB RAM
    GTX3080 10GB (NVIDA 461.40)

    #2
    What happens if you install the driver released right before 461.40? I think that was 461.09 from January 7. Available on nVidia website.

    I always let nVidia GeForce Experience handle the installation.
    Dick Parker (Joined 2002 not 2019)
    Northeast Ohio USA
    Win 10, RTX 2080 Ti
    P3D V5.1 HF1, ORBX

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      #3
      I will not allow GeForce Experience to be installed on my machine. No bothersome messages, no changes without my express desire to do so. Besides, most of those driver updates are to tweak something so some shooter game works better and have nothing to do with flight simulation. I don't update unless there is either a reason to do so or it's been more than 6 mos.

      As for DDU, you should be running it with Windows in Safe Mode. There are at least three Nvidia files always in use by Windows that cannot be removed unless it is in safe mode.

      The clean install option on the NVidia driver installer is simply a question of either using your settings or deleting your settings and starting with default settings. It doesn't clean anything.
      Dan Downs KCRP
      i7-10700K 32GB 3600MHz 2080Ti

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      • drdickie
        drdickie commented
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        i have never had a problem with GeForce Experience. No unwanted messages. Driver updates only when I choose.

      • DDowns
        DDowns commented
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        Years ago, last I allowed it to be installed, it kept giving me advertisements for games. In reality, it adds no value because it is so easy to download/install a driver without it.

      • Kevin Hall
        Kevin Hall commented
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        You can choose how to update according to settings. Mine is set to inform me of updates only. Also you get a screen video capture app with it which is useful

      #4
      Originally posted by drdickie View Post
      What happens if you install the driver released right before 461.40? I think that was 461.09 from January 7. Available on nVidia website.
      Not sure. I'll try an earlier Driver, but that shame is that I don't recall what Driver I had before today! I'm a bad computer owner.
      Josh Burr P3D v5.1.12.26829 Win 10 v.20H2
      i9-10900KF @ 3.70GHz 32.0GB RAM
      GTX3080 10GB (NVIDA 461.40)

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        #5
        Josh,

        I copy the content of another forum post:

        clear the DirectX Shaders Cache. To do so, head into your Settings (right click start-menu then left on settings). Up next you go to System, then on the left you select Storage. There will be a line saying Temporary Files, click that and let it index. Once that is finished you check DirectX Shaders Cache. Then you click Remove Files button on top and the Cache has been cleared.


        it was about a slightly different issue but it‘s a generally good solution after driver or card updates.
        i7-6700k, GTX 1080TI, 32GB DDR4 RAM @2666MHz, 4k
        Marc Ehnle

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          #6
          Originally posted by ZTL_TA View Post
          OK, try to follow along here folks. This morning, I got sick and tired of NVIDIA "reminding" me to update my driver every time I turned on my computer, so I updated to driver 461.40. Long story (step by step) to follow, but for now, basically I now have AWFUL screen tearing ONLY in the 3D cockpit view, but it's smooth as butter outside. So now, presenting what I've done to try to solve it so I don't get the simple answers....

          Old Driver Uninstall
          -Run DDU, click "Clean and Restart. It does so without an issue.

          New Driver Install
          -Before I had run DDU, I went to NVIDIA website and downloaded 461.40
          -I run 461.40
          -Select custom installation and check the box that says "Perform clean install"
          -It does so without issue.
          -Restart

          NVIDIA Control Panel (NCP)/Profile Inspector (PI)
          -Rip me a new one later, but stupid me forgot to back-up old settings
          -I try to remember/look-up where I may have found my old settings and apply the following (Specifically to the P3D Program in PI):
          • Frame Rate Limiter V3: 30FPS (BTW, not mentioned in my signature are my monitors: 3x144Hz G-SYNC monitors all plugged into Display Ports (DP) and 1 standard 60Hz monitor plugged into HDMI; P3D is displayed FULL SCREEN on one of the G-SYNC monitors)
          • Triple Buffering: On
          • Vertical Sync: 1/2 Refresh Rate
          • Vertical Sync Tear Control: Standard (I tried Adaptive and no better)
          • Power Management Mode: Prefer Maximum Performance
          • Threaded Optimization: On
          -So at this point, it's still an issue. Next thing I try....

          Uninstall/Re-install PMDG 747
          -Uninstall product via control panel
          -Reinstall products from download
          -All liveries in Ops Center are marked as "Repairable"; I repair.
          -Still not solved

          I've also tried
          • Different liveries
          • Different Gates
          • Different Airports
          • Different times of day
          • The 737 NGXu does NOT have this problem
          • P3D Settings
            • VSYNC: OFF
            • TB: OFF
            • Frame Limiter: UNLIMITED
            • VRR: ON(Checked)
            • Full Screen (Black-Out Desktop Unchecked)
          AGAIN, it's smooth as butter outside, EVEN IF I set PI frame rate limits to 60, it's perfectly fine outside; smooth and ZERO stutters. It's ONLY in the 3D cockpit that any camera panning, or when taxiing/pushing back that it stutters/tears.

          After you post your suggestions and/or further questions for screenshots/details, P.S. me a note that reminds me to not update my graphics driver if it ain't broken!😤😖

          Cheers.
          You might try to see if you can roll back to your previous driver.
          See here.
          https://windowsreport.com/roll-back-...rs-windows-10/

          Danny Z.Cebis

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            #7
            Things I've done since last post:
            • Cleared Shaders Cache
            • Went back to an older driver (461.09) in Safe Mode to completely get rid of the current driver
            Stutters are still quite awful in 3D cockpit, but perfectly smooth outside.
            Josh Burr P3D v5.1.12.26829 Win 10 v.20H2
            i9-10900KF @ 3.70GHz 32.0GB RAM
            GTX3080 10GB (NVIDA 461.40)

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            • DDowns
              DDowns commented
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              Why are you running that beautiful i9-10900KF CPU at only 3.7 GHz?!?! Enable the default turbo boost to 5.3 GHz. Stutters gone.

            • ZTL_TA
              ZTL_TA commented
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              For dummies please....

            #8
            I have the same stutters. I have not flown the pmdgs for some months and just started a flight with the 747. Especially camera panning is horrible. With every other add-on aircraft, there is no problem. Since I haven't flown the pmdgs for some time I am sure that I have updated my drivers but I can't say which would have been the previous working driver...
            Felix Luft


            P3DV4.5
            i7-9700K; RTX 2070 Super; 16GB

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              #9
              Originally posted by Fe.Air01 View Post
              I have the same stutters. I have not flown the pmdgs for some months and just started a flight with the 747. Especially camera panning is horrible. With every other add-on aircraft, there is no problem. Since I haven't flown the pmdgs for some time I am sure that I have updated my drivers but I can't say which would have been the previous working driver...
              Felix,

              are they fully updated? Have you checked the Operation Center?
              i7-6700k, GTX 1080TI, 32GB DDR4 RAM @2666MHz, 4k
              Marc Ehnle

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                #10
                Originally posted by Ephedrin View Post

                Felix,

                are they fully updated? Have you checked the Operation Center?
                Fully updated for me. In fact, uninstalled and re-installed; still an issue.
                Josh Burr P3D v5.1.12.26829 Win 10 v.20H2
                i9-10900KF @ 3.70GHz 32.0GB RAM
                GTX3080 10GB (NVIDA 461.40)

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                  #11
                  If you are using FSUIPC, make sure you have the latest version. After months of fiddling with the stutter issue, updating FSUIPC is what got rid of them for me.

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                    #12
                    Josh,

                    I had the same issue as you describe.

                    More likely if you run CPU at 3.7 GHz performance will be limited due to low settings in the sim versus at 5.0 GHz.
                    The issue here actually is that even at 3.7 GHz as you mentioned everything was ok and when you got the version 461.40
                    you are experiencing those problems.

                    Probably out of desperation you uninstalled PMDG unnecessary even as you say this started only with a video driver change.

                    Coming back to the topic (what I did and fixed the issue).

                    As Dan mentioned, safe mode, uninstall the driver with DDU,

                    https://www.guru3d.com/files-details...-download.html


                    clear the DirectX Shaders Cache

                    Deleting the Shader Cache
                    1. Go to your NVIDIA control panel> Manage 3D Settings, turn off Shader Cache and hit Apply.
                    2. Reboot your PC.
                    3. Go to %username%\AppData\Local\Temp\NVIDIA Corporation\NV_Cache and delete the contents of the folder (You can paste that address directly into a Windows address bar).

                    For P3D

                    C:\Documents and Settings\YOUR ID\AppData\Local\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D v3\Shaders


                    as Marc is suggesting,

                    download NVCleanstall software.

                    https://www.techpowerup.com/download...-nvcleanstall/



                    Restart the computer still in safe mode and now use NVCleanstall and choose an earlier version of the video driver, click next and only select what components
                    you would like to install, click next and select Disable Installer Telemetry @ Advertising, Unattended Express Installation and Perform a Clean Installation.

                    Restart PC in normal mode and follow this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZrn...ature=emb_logo

                    After all this, my PC runs perfectly, and no issues at all.

                    I would backup before you start to be on the safe side, even I didn't encounter any issues.
                    Joe Slow

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                      #13
                      You do not need to uninstall/reinstall any of your software, this is obviously a video driver issue. I use DDU to uninstall my old driver and then install the new one. If you use Nvidia Control Panel and Nvidia Inspector, you need to activate your previous setting again, then lastly delete your shaders. If you are having the problems you are describing, you may not have the same vsync setting as before, or the driver has an issue, and if it is the driver, roll back to the previous. When Gsync first came out I was rolling back drivers all the time, it happens.
                      David Zill

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                        #14
                        Originally posted by Ephedrin View Post

                        Felix,

                        are they fully updated? Have you checked the Operation Center?
                        Yes, fully updated for me as well.

                        I haven‘t had time to go back to an older driver for now.
                        However, I did discover a really strange behavior...
                        Sometimes I don’t have the stutters. On the same flight on which I first discovered the stutters, they stopped after 5 to 6 hours of flight time. They never came back.
                        on the next day I started P3D, loaded the 747 just like before and there were no stutters until 2-3 minutes after the aircrafts systems were fully loaded. I think the only thing I did in these minutes was starting Active Sky but I don’t think it had a connection to the stutters.
                        Felix Luft


                        P3DV4.5
                        i7-9700K; RTX 2070 Super; 16GB

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                          #15
                          So, I was able to get rid of the stutters by going back to an even older driver a second time.
                          For me, it was enough to simply install the old driver without preparing anything beforehand.
                          Thanks for your help!
                          Felix Luft


                          P3DV4.5
                          i7-9700K; RTX 2070 Super; 16GB

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                            #16
                            Originally posted by Joe Slow View Post
                            Josh,

                            I had the same issue as you describe.

                            More likely if you run CPU at 3.7 GHz performance will be limited due to low settings in the sim versus at 5.0 GHz.
                            The issue here actually is that even at 3.7 GHz as you mentioned everything was ok and when you got the version 461.40
                            you are experiencing those problems.

                            Probably out of desperation you uninstalled PMDG unnecessary even as you say this started only with a video driver change.

                            Coming back to the topic (what I did and fixed the issue).

                            As Dan mentioned, safe mode, uninstall the driver with DDU,

                            https://www.guru3d.com/files-details...-download.html


                            clear the DirectX Shaders Cache

                            Deleting the Shader Cache
                            1. Go to your NVIDIA control panel> Manage 3D Settings, turn off Shader Cache and hit Apply.
                            2. Reboot your PC.
                            3. Go to %username%\AppData\Local\Temp\NVIDIA Corporation\NV_Cache and delete the contents of the folder (You can paste that address directly into a Windows address bar).

                            For P3D

                            C:\Documents and Settings\YOUR ID\AppData\Local\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D v3\Shaders


                            as Marc is suggesting,

                            download NVCleanstall software.

                            https://www.techpowerup.com/download...-nvcleanstall/



                            Restart the computer still in safe mode and now use NVCleanstall and choose an earlier version of the video driver, click next and only select what components
                            you would like to install, click next and select Disable Installer Telemetry @ Advertising, Unattended Express Installation and Perform a Clean Installation.

                            Restart PC in normal mode and follow this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZrn...ature=emb_logo

                            After all this, my PC runs perfectly, and no issues at all.

                            I would backup before you start to be on the safe side, even I didn't encounter any issues.
                            Followed this word for word and still have the issue. Even in the new 777. I can load in, go cold and dark, and move around with no issues at 100+ fps. But, once I give the airplane power, in 3D cockpit, and displays come on, when I look around, there is absolutely horrible screen tearing/skipping around when panning the view. I'm starting to feel that my $3,000 computer was a waste...
                            Josh Burr P3D v5.1.12.26829 Win 10 v.20H2
                            i9-10900KF @ 3.70GHz 32.0GB RAM
                            GTX3080 10GB (NVIDA 461.40)

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                              #17
                              Originally posted by ZTL_TA View Post

                              Followed this word for word and still have the issue. Even in the new 777. I can load in, go cold and dark, and move around with no issues at 100+ fps. But, once I give the airplane power, in 3D cockpit, and displays come on, when I look around, there is absolutely horrible screen tearing/skipping around when panning the view. I'm starting to feel that my $3,000 computer was a waste...
                              As I mentioned in my first post, your i9-10900KF is capable of running up to 5.30 GHz without overclocking. I'm running my I7-10700K at stock 5.1 GHz on an air cooler. Man, you got to allow your CPU to run at it's rated speeds.

                              You need to go into your UEFI and enable the stock turboboost mode. I don't know what kind of motherboard you have, but it will have lots of information in it's user guide and you can find lots of help on how to set up your computer on line or from whomever built that for you. Only allowing it to run in non-turbo mode at 3.70 GHz is a waste of your money.
                              Dan Downs KCRP
                              i7-10700K 32GB 3600MHz 2080Ti

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                                #18
                                Originally posted by ZTL_TA View Post

                                Followed this word for word and still have the issue. Even in the new 777. I can load in, go cold and dark, and move around with no issues at 100+ fps. But, once I give the airplane power, in 3D cockpit, and displays come on, when I look around, there is absolutely horrible screen tearing/skipping around when panning the view. I'm starting to feel that my $3,000 computer was a waste...
                                The 777 has some performance issues, I personally can‘t use it atm. That will require PMDG to do some optimization work. In my case it runs relatively well with the mouse on the second screen. As soon as I come back to the sim it starts to stutter terribly. And if I dare to move over the 777 panel my mouse starts to lag for seconds. Even my P3D option windows lag extremely when the 777 is loaded. This can‘t be my PC and I tried the 747 and FSL‘s 320 last night, they are fine. So my conclusion is that it must be the 777. It is the factor that has changed.
                                i7-6700k, GTX 1080TI, 32GB DDR4 RAM @2666MHz, 4k
                                Marc Ehnle

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                                  #19
                                  Originally posted by Ephedrin View Post

                                  The 777 has some performance issues, I personally can‘t use it atm. That will require PMDG to do some optimization work. In my case it runs relatively well with the mouse on the second screen. As soon as I come back to the sim it starts to stutter terribly. And if I dare to move over the 777 panel my mouse starts to lag for seconds. Even my P3D option windows lag extremely when the 777 is loaded. This can‘t be my PC and I tried the 747 and FSL‘s 320 last night, they are fine. So my conclusion is that it must be the 777. It is the factor that has changed.

                                  I haven’t bought the 200ER yet, and even with the updated 300ER I‘ve only done a quick outside check and rolled around a bit. However, I had no performance problems there. Also, I haven‘t seen any complaints about the performance of the update yet.
                                  I don‘t know but couldn’t this be related to drivers again?
                                  For example I noticed that since I switched back to an older driver, my 747 runs smoothly, but I get huge windows lags during a round of warzone, I couldn’t even hit the chrome icon on the second screen because the mouse was so laggy...
                                  This was not the case before my driver change.
                                  However, your 747 runs smoothly, wich basically doesn‘t fit my theory, especially since they are, as I understand, technically quite similar since the update. (but maybe the virtual cockpit and the screens not yet????)
                                  Felix Luft


                                  P3DV4.5
                                  i7-9700K; RTX 2070 Super; 16GB

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                                    #20
                                    Originally posted by Fe.Air01 View Post


                                    I haven’t bought the 200ER yet, and even with the updated 300ER I‘ve only done a quick outside check and rolled around a bit. However, I had no performance problems there. Also, I haven‘t seen any complaints about the performance of the update yet.
                                    I don‘t know but couldn’t this be related to drivers again?
                                    For example I noticed that since I switched back to an older driver, my 747 runs smoothly, but I get huge windows lags during a round of warzone, I couldn’t even hit the chrome icon on the second screen because the mouse was so laggy...
                                    This was not the case before my driver change.
                                    However, your 747 runs smoothly, wich basically doesn‘t fit my theory, especially since they are, as I understand, technically quite similar since the update. (but maybe the virtual cockpit and the screens not yet????)
                                    The systems can‘t be similar as they are different aircraft and I have a feeling that it gets worst when I‘m n a VNAV descent. The 777 has a new VNAV included so maybe (just maybe) this needs refinement. I don‘t know the PCs of the 777 testers but possibly nobody has a 6th gen CPU anymore. Maybe nobody has a 10-series NVIDIA card anymore. I also can only tell what happens on my system and have to trust PMDG to collect the data.. 🤷🏻‍♂️

                                    but I can say for sure that using an old driver can‘t be a solution when a new one works for the other addons. At least in my case it doesn‘t seem to be a problem with NVIDIA. LM requires updated drivers for any troubleshooting.
                                    i7-6700k, GTX 1080TI, 32GB DDR4 RAM @2666MHz, 4k
                                    Marc Ehnle

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                                    • Fe.Air01
                                      Fe.Air01 commented
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                                      Yeah, it was just an idea...
                                      But I meant that the two planes may now be similarly programmed. I am well aware that the systems differ.
                                      And when I had the stutters in the 747, the FSL worked fine too.

                                    • Ephedrin
                                      Ephedrin commented
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                                      Yes, I think the way it‘s coded should have become similar now. It would save time and money if you can add features collectively and only adjust them. But the systems themselves must have unique code obviously and I think that is where it might have (had?) some inefficiencies. I‘m still to download the latest updates, had no time yesterday ^^

                                    #21
                                    Originally posted by DDowns View Post

                                    As I mentioned in my first post, your i9-10900KF is capable of running up to 5.30 GHz without overclocking. I'm running my I7-10700K at stock 5.1 GHz on an air cooler. Man, you got to allow your CPU to run at it's rated speeds.

                                    You need to go into your UEFI and enable the stock turboboost mode. I don't know what kind of motherboard you have, but it will have lots of information in it's user guide and you can find lots of help on how to set up your computer on line or from whomever built that for you. Only allowing it to run in non-turbo mode at 3.70 GHz is a waste of your money.
                                    When I view the performance of the processor while the game is running, it says it’s at 4,8x or 4.9x GHz, so they set it up that way by default. Next theory? Again, smooth and ZERO stutters outside. Only in VC does it skip around.
                                    Josh Burr P3D v5.1.12.26829 Win 10 v.20H2
                                    i9-10900KF @ 3.70GHz 32.0GB RAM
                                    GTX3080 10GB (NVIDA 461.40)

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                                      #22
                                      Settings turned nearly all the way down, no buildings, trees, AA, anything...still get skipping/tearing in 3D cockpit.
                                      Josh Burr P3D v5.1.12.26829 Win 10 v.20H2
                                      i9-10900KF @ 3.70GHz 32.0GB RAM
                                      GTX3080 10GB (NVIDA 461.40)

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                                      • Ausflight
                                        Ausflight commented
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                                        Josh just wondering if you also have P3D v4 installed and if so do you get the same in there as well?

                                      • ZTL_TA
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                                        I do not have v4 still
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