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[26SEP20] Let's Get Down to Business, Shall We?

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  • Mickel
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    Doesn’t mean I agree with it... the cookie cutter airliner offerings make me yawn these days.
    Last edited by Mickel; 18Oct2020, 22:27.

  • VoyagerP3D
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    You got my point Mickel

  • Mickel
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    I think the implication is that VA pilots needs are more important than the rest of us mere mortals... ;-)

  • Ephedrin
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    Originally posted by VoyagerP3D View Post

    Classic airliners are nice, no doubt. But for for pilots at VA replicating real life SOP a decent 787 and 777 are much more interesting
    We have only two classic airliners with „study level“ status, which is the A2A Constellation and the PMDG DC-6. The Leonardo Maddog already has an FMS and Screens.

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  • CANorm91
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    Originally posted by [email protected] View Post
    I feel like we have an already decent 787 available for p3d. With all do respect to CS, the 767/57 isn't quite as in depth as I was hoping for. Certainly an improvement over the first version from them, but not quite as much detail in the systems area as we have with other addon aircraft. The external models are beautiful though! This is one area of the addon market that certainly use some competition to say the least.
    The existing 787 is still full of problems and missing features. While it does have great visuals, it's let down in other areas, especially system depth and bugs that affect the autopilot.

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  • spencer.hoefer@gmail.com
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    I feel like we have an already decent 787 available for p3d. With all do respect to CS, the 767/57 isn't quite as in depth as I was hoping for. Certainly an improvement over the first version from them, but not quite as much detail in the systems area as we have with other addon aircraft. The external models are beautiful though! This is one area of the addon market that certainly use some competition to say the least.

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  • VoyagerP3D
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    Originally posted by Ephedrin View Post

    ... And if I was to choose I would prefer a 727 or 707 to a 787 anytime.
    Classic airliners are nice, no doubt. But for for pilots at VA replicating real life SOP a decent 787 and 777 are much more interesting

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  • CANorm91
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    Originally posted by Ephedrin View Post

    Some people would, some others wouldn‘t. I‘m fine with the A320 series, those applications running on the side screens in an A350 are copyrighted anyway and afaik running on windows. So that will be quite interesting if it‘s going to be simulated down to this detail and how or if „study level“ will be interpreted differently again. And if I was to choose I would prefer a 727 or 707 to a 787 anytime.
    Well, FF found a way for their A350 on XP, so it's a case of "never say never". As far as I'm concerned, the Windows used on Airbuses with OISes is so heavily disguised you can hardly notice any traces of Redmond on a Toulouse-built bird. So it's still feasible, even if some features have to be approximated.

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  • DaedalusX
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    One interesting project would be to do the 767-300F w/ the upgraded avionics. Uses the same PFD/MFD as the 737NG and would be much much much simpler to model than a 787.

    Cargojet has them, UPS too but I think they have the widescreen panels like the MAX.

    Eric Blais

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  • Bingo041
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    I cut my teeth on the LevelD many years ago. I even purchased the bound manual............spent a lot of time learning the systems and FMC.

    Later, after a few years, I moved to the first version of the PMDG 747.

    Many airlines still fly this plane, and a couple of my airline pilot friends loved the performance.

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  • Ephedrin
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    Originally posted by CANorm91 View Post
    But at the same time, people want to experience the current generation of airliners, and with Airbus especially opening up a bit more to licensing products for home flight simulation, it's clear that the money is going to be in new gen airliners.
    Some people would, some others wouldn‘t. I‘m fine with the A320 series, those applications running on the side screens in an A350 are copyrighted anyway and afaik running on windows. So that will be quite interesting if it‘s going to be simulated down to this detail and how or if „study level“ will be interpreted differently again. And if I was to choose I would prefer a 727 or 707 to a 787 anytime.

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  • CANorm91
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    Originally posted by Ephedrin View Post

    With this „in real worl operation“ argument we‘ll be limited to the 737, 787, 777, A320, 330 and 350 and two or three embrear models shortly. Not exactly desireable.
    But at the same time, people want to experience the current generation of airliners, and with Airbus especially opening up a bit more to licensing products for home flight simulation, it's clear that the money is going to be in new gen airliners.

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  • micstatic
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    Nothing says people can only fly a plane not in service anymore. But probably a better market for planes still in service I agree.

  • Ephedrin
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    Originally posted by CANorm91 View Post
    I've never had it, but from what I can tell, it was the benchmark for many a study-level sim, and it would be nice to have a new study-level 767, but given dwindling numbers of 767s in passenger service, I'm not sure if the economics would add up, as much as I think there is a gap in the market.
    With this „in real worl operation“ argument we‘ll be limited to the 737, 787, 777, A320, 330 and 350 and two or three embrear models shortly. Not exactly desireable.

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  • CANorm91
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    Originally posted by jeffreymg View Post
    The Level D 767 was a great simulator and still is. The systems and fmc for its time was leaps ahead of any other 767’s. The Level-D was also FS2Crew’s first add-on which still works if you still use Prep3D and the767. I own all of PMDG’s products and that’s why I went back to Prep3D even though I bought FS2020.

    jeffg
    I've never had it, but from what I can tell, it was the benchmark for many a study-level sim, and it would be nice to have a new study-level 767, but given dwindling numbers of 767s in passenger service, I'm not sure if the economics would add up, as much as I think there is a gap in the market.

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  • BodoM
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    Me too. I also have FS9 on my SSD with the RFP 747 Classic, the PMDG MD11 and the LDS 767. 😊

  • Ephedrin
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    Originally posted by jeffreymg View Post
    The Level D 767 was a great simulator and still is. The systems and fmc for its time was leaps ahead of any other 767’s. The Level-D was also FS2Crew’s first add-on which still works if you still use Prep3D and the767. I own all of PMDG’s products and that’s why I went back to Prep3D even though I bought FS2020.

    jeffg
    I wholeheartly agree. It was my very first flight sim addon as a I believe 15 years old, followed by the A2A P47, then the PMDG747. After having flown all kinds of more or less (rather less ) complex freeware addons in FS2000 and FS2004 it was a blast and I had no clue what I was supposed to do. Another student pilot from our club then showed me how to use and fly it and from then the flightsim journey began

    I have an old FS9 installation on my old computer with the LVL-D 767 and the 9 Dragons Kai Tak scenery and sometimes I plug it in and do some circuits around the old VHHH =)

    I really wish PMDG did the 767. But well.....

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  • BodoM
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    As much as I know Wade Chafe was the main developer. Eric Ernst was a kind of consultant on how the systems work on a 767. I am not sure that he also was involved in programming the gauges and so on.

  • jeffreymg
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    The Level D 767 was a great simulator and still is. The systems and fmc for its time was leaps ahead of any other 767’s. The Level-D was also FS2Crew’s first add-on which still works if you still use Prep3D and the767. I own all of PMDG’s products and that’s why I went back to Prep3D even though I bought FS2020.

    jeffg

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  • Captain Kevin
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    Originally posted by Wise87 View Post
    You didn’t hear about Eric Ernst? He was the creator of the PIC767 and the Level-D 767. He was a great person who loved the hobby and was a RW pilot on the 767 and I believed he was upgrading to the Airbus. Great guy to chat with in the forums back in the day. Would love to see a PMDG 767 take it to the next level.
    Negative, sir. Though I knew about the existence of the Level-D 767, I didn't actually own it, so I didn't know who developed it. Only thing I heard was Level-D was working on a 757, but that was years ago.

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  • tech2984
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    The new Aircraft type is going to be a 787

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  • Wise87
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    Originally posted by Captain Kevin View Post
    Yikes. First time I've heard of that one. That's unfortunate.
    You didn’t hear about Eric Ernst? He was the creator of the PIC767 and the Level-D 767. He was a great person who loved the hobby and was a RW pilot on the 767 and I believed he was upgrading to the Airbus. Great guy to chat with in the forums back in the day. Would love to see a PMDG 767 take it to the next level.

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  • Captain Kevin
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    Originally posted by Wise87 View Post
    since Level-D hasn't pursued anything since the passing of the lead developer, RIP,
    Yikes. First time I've heard of that one. That's unfortunate.

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  • Vieira12
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    Originally posted by Wise87 View Post
    If by chance the new plane was a 707 or 727 as some of you are hoping for, what kind of flight management system would this vintage aircraft come with? Planes in this era came with INS or some kind of FMC upgrade later in life. If it's an INS then PMDG would have to build one for these aircraft. I can see magenta pilots not being a big fan of old school navigation.

    If I was to guess what the next aircraft was I would have to say it's either the 757 or the 767. Both have been highly requested and since Level-D hasn't pursued anything since the passing of the lead developer, RIP, this void can be filled by PMDG. I will not comments on the CS version as we have the PMDG 777 and CS 777 in the market.

    I don't see it being the MD-11 as they have been very clear on this subject and TFDI has taken it upon them selves to make one. Who better since they made the 717.

    I'm not sure about the 787. As much as we would love a 787 from PMDG you have to give credit to QW for their 787 package. It's not perfect but it's a very nice collection to have in your FS arsenal.

    Tough call but I look forward to the upcoming releases.
    The quality wings model apart from modelling that is nice everything else is miles away from the real life counterpart not even close

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  • Wise87
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    If by chance the new plane was a 707 or 727 as some of you are hoping for, what kind of flight management system would this vintage aircraft come with? Planes in this era came with INS or some kind of FMC upgrade later in life. If it's an INS then PMDG would have to build one for these aircraft. I can see magenta pilots not being a big fan of old school navigation.

    If I was to guess what the next aircraft was I would have to say it's either the 757 or the 767. Both have been highly requested and since Level-D hasn't pursued anything since the passing of the lead developer, RIP, this void can be filled by PMDG. I will not comments on the CS version as we have the PMDG 777 and CS 777 in the market.

    I don't see it being the MD-11 as they have been very clear on this subject and TFDI has taken it upon them selves to make one. Who better since they made the 717.

    I'm not sure about the 787. As much as we would love a 787 from PMDG you have to give credit to QW for their 787 package. It's not perfect but it's a very nice collection to have in your FS arsenal.

    Tough call but I look forward to the upcoming releases.

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  • MCarter
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    If I had to make a guess on the new aircraft type, I'd say it's the 767 or the 727.

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  • B777ER
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    Originally posted by VoyagerP3D View Post

    Seems as if the "issue" with the fuel system is bigger than anticipated....
    Thinking the same thing. When I read, "in the next couple of days we will hand one last beta build to our testing team and then roll the BBJ out to you" I thought a week or 2 at the most and now we are nearing end of 3 weeks.

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  • LSZH
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    Patiently waiting for the BBJ!

    Cheers
    Bruno Emmenegger

  • DDowns
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    Originally posted by VoyagerP3D View Post

    Seems as if the "issue" with the fuel system is bigger than anticipated....
    Not at all... on one hand PMDG has a policy of not having release dates scheduled but on the other RSR likes to promote the release of a new product SoonTM . If he says a week it means anything from a week to a week or two, or maybe longer.

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  • VoyagerP3D
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    Originally posted by rsrandazzo View Post
    [SIZE=14px]Captains,



    We were days away from releasing the BBJ package when we discovered we had missed a major modification to the fuel system on the airplane, so we held the product back in order to complete the change and bring you the proper fuel quantity indicating system. It took a few weeks to hack through the documentation and adjust the design and operation of the system to ensure it is correct, but in the next couple of days we will hand one last beta build to our testing team and then roll the BBJ out to you.

    Seems as if the "issue" with the fuel system is bigger than anticipated....

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