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Microsoft Flight Simulator Pre-order now available (August 18,2020 release date)

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    #61
    Originally posted by squerble View Post
    Still no comment from PMDG? Considering they announced the NG3 before they even had the SDK, you'd have thought they'd be all over this, showing off the NG3 flying perfectly in MSFS.
    Given how Alphas change, they probably DON'T want to show it off right now until the platform itself is stable. Plus we don't know exactly how much backward compatibility there is in FS2020 - and therefore how much work needs to be done to get it into a position where they're happy to show it off.

    Consider also that they have a programme of work for P3D that they're trying to get out the door which may have taken up development time that they'd hoped to earmark for 2020...
    Trevor Hannant

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    • Swaluver88
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      Shot themselves in the foot with August 18th then lol

    #62
    dont know if anyone else noticed this nugget this morning

    https://fselite.net/news/uk2000-scen...s-not-complete

    so unless they're giving different devs different sdk's, it looks like it could be quite some time until the NG3
    Mike Teague - p3dv4.5 - B736 B737 B738 B739 B77L B77W B744 B748

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    • Lanica
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      Another reason to be personally underwhelmed about MSFS.

    #63
    Originally posted by kvuo75 View Post
    dont know if anyone else noticed this nugget this morning

    https://fselite.net/news/uk2000-scen...s-not-complete

    so unless they're giving different devs different sdk's, it looks like it could be quite some time until the NG3
    microsoft is pushing them hard on a release i bet. its not gonna be ready, people are gonna be disappointed and it will die out. thats what i got out of reading that
    Alex Kulak
    PMDG Studier and flyer

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      #64
      It is exciting time with MS 2020, but like always once release, here we go again. My PC is too slow or graphic is not powerful enough etc etc etc. Get ready, wallet will be wide open. Good Luck!
      My P3Dv5 is like a charm, it isn't broken, once over 30,000 ft scenery is pointless. Flight sim serve a different purpose for everyone. I hope you will find yours.

      David
      David J Guillen

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        #65
        Originally posted by Challenger63 View Post
        It is exciting time with MS 2020, but like always once release, here we go again. My PC is too slow or graphic is not powerful enough etc etc etc. Get ready, wallet will be wide open. Good Luck!
        My P3Dv5 is like a charm, it isn't broken, once over 30,000 ft scenery is pointless. Flight sim serve a different purpose for everyone. I hope you will find yours.

        David
        I think it's public knowledge if you can run P3D4/5 well MSFS won't be a greater stress. I guess in a month's time we'll be swamped with YouTube reviews and comparisons. I'm thankful that the hobby I love and one which is perfect in a Covid-19 social distancing/lockdown regime has some serious development occurring between a few devs.
        Last edited by YMML; 16Jul2020, 07:54.
        Albert Sahely

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          #66
          Originally posted by Keirtt View Post

          i second this statement
          Hi ,

          I would wait a good 6 months for the bugs being 'Ironed' out.
          In addition, 3rd party payware's addons (PMDG etc...) will not be available for FS2020 until 3-6 months.

          If you have a stable P3D version, with payware, then persevere for the time being.

          Cheers,
          Chris Truong.

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            #67
            A few people mentioned that Microsoft only have the entertainment license since they sold the other half to Lockheed. But that was for ESP, MFS does not run on the ESP engine so Microsoft are free to do with it as they like I would assume. Be it they make a seperate product just for training or if they again, decide to sell that license to a company that may be interested.
            Daniel Glover

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              #68
              Available on August 18, 2020, 6:00 AM
              but what time zone?
              Josef Kolb

              PMDG B737-600 to -900/747-400/747-8/777-200LR/777-300ER

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                #69
                I guess we are all here for different reasons and that makes for a great discussion.
                I remember when "eye candy" was nothing in the original 5.25" floppy version of MSFS. And that was what taught me basic VOR and ILS navigation.
                For me if the cockpit looks and feels great, what is outside the window matters little as long as it gives enough reference for ground operation. PSX is an incredible 747-400 simulation (for which PMDG wrote the original manuals for PS1, its predecessor) and there you have a tiny window on the outside which shows runways as night time dots, much like MSFS did way back when.
                I've been on the MSFS Alpha since the start but the NDA prevents sharing even thoughts. P3Dv5 with basic ORBX Global is all I need. It's fun to hop into the MS 172 and retrace my training days both Private and at-a-pinch, my Instrument flights. But for detail and for realistic operations, PMDG and P3D are perfect and I'd venture to guess, will be the default option for some time to come.
                The real crunch time will be when the NG3 launches in MSFS. I expect that might be the time for me to lake another look at MSFS.
                Many Thanks,
                Chris Stanley VTUJ / VTUO

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                • Swaluver88
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                  Very well put

                #70
                It sounds like the new MSFS is going to be a front for a store to buy addons. Reminds of Railsim. Not surprising in the least. I'll stick with P3D and FSX.
                William Holland

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                  #71
                  Originally posted by Captain Kevin View Post
                  Yes, but in order to have gotten it, you need to have purchased the NGXu before December 31st, 2019. Once the NG3 is out, you need to use the same account that you used to purchase the NGXu in order to get it.
                  Thanks for the clarification Capt! 😎
                  Robert Rixx

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                    #72
                    Originally posted by wjh308 View Post
                    It sounds like the new MSFS is going to be a front for a store to buy addons. Reminds of Railsim. Not surprising in the least. I'll stick with P3D and FSX.
                    I saw an article that indicated 3rd party devs were not going to be required to sell through the market place and would be able to sell on their own websites. Can't seem to recall where I saw this
                    Michael Sill

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                      #73
                      This is what Microsoft themselves had to say about it:

                      The Marketplace will operate under an Agency model, which means that you, as the content creator, will set the price for every piece of content you submit. Becoming a partner doesn’t alter your ability to sell your content on your own websites and storefronts. Just like with FSX, you can continue to sell your content outside of our Marketplace. Becoming a Microsoft Flight Simulator Marketplace Partner essentially unlocks another channel for you.
                      Tim Lincoln
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                        #74
                        As long as MSFS doesn't have stutters or micro-stutters I'm ok. Micro-stutters ruin the "flight" experience. "Aerofly FS", Warthunder and some others have a great fluidity even in complex sceneries.

                        Teo Halfen

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                          #75
                          Originally posted by teohalfen View Post
                          As long as MSFS doesn't have stutters or micro-stutters I'm ok. Micro-stutters ruin the "flight" experience. "Aerofly FS", Warthunder and some others have a great fluidity even in complex sceneries.

                          Teo Halfen
                          Be prepared for frustration.
                          Molly Norris

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                            #76
                            Originally posted by Paulyg123 View Post

                            I'm that kid. The first thing I do is to take off from JFK and see who is parked in my driveway.
                            I live in rural Canada. First thing I do is take off and see if my house even exists. Hahaha

                            On a more serious note, holy crap a lot of you people are negative. If this sim is no good you'll still have your precious P3D, it's like most of you want this thing to fail.
                            Jeff Calder

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                              #77
                              Originally posted by jcalder View Post

                              I live in rural Canada. First thing I do is take off and see if my house even exists. Hahaha

                              On a more serious note, holy crap a lot of you people are negative. If this sim is no good you'll still have your precious P3D, it's like most of you want this thing to fail.
                              This has been the case for as long as I can remember... it's a never ending argument.
                              Cheers,
                              Ryan Murray

                              Professional Coffee Drinker/BAe146 Driver
                              Aircraft Maintenance Engineer

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                                #78
                                I'm praying to god PMDG brings back the MD-11 to the new FS.
                                The only plane thats unique with looks and flight dynamics, it needs a 2nd chance

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                                  #79
                                  Originally posted by Vedzz View Post
                                  I'm praying to god PMDG brings back the MD-11 to the new FS.
                                  The only plane thats unique with looks and flight dynamics, it needs a 2nd chance
                                  They are not going to.

                                  TFDi have confirmed an MD11 for P3D and when you look at how great the 717 is there is a lot to expect. My guess is they will release it for MSFS too.
                                  i7-6700k, GTX 1080TI, 32GB DDR4 RAM @2666MHz, 4k
                                  Marc Ehnle

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                                    #80
                                    Pre-order? Why would you?

                                    Once all the hysteria that is whipped up by those companies Involved to get those gullible enough to part with their money as quickly as possible has passed will come all the complaints about said product previously hyped! Personally I will let those gullible enough part with their hard earned cash and deal with all the problems they will get whilst I sit back using P3d V5 and my excellent PMDG 737ngxu. Once the msfs2020 sim is considered reliable I will take a look at it, pricing & availability of addons etc etc etc.

                                    Paul Edwards
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                                    Paul Edwards

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                                      #81
                                      Going to wait to get this on Steam. I'm not familiar with Microsoft's XBox store. With Steam, everything is in one place.
                                      Jeff Thomson

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                                        #82
                                        Originally posted by Vedzz View Post
                                        I'm praying to god PMDG brings back the MD-11 to the new FS.
                                        The only plane thats unique with looks and flight dynamics, it needs a 2nd chance
                                        Please add your first and last name signature to your post as per forum rules.
                                        See here: https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/main-fo...pdated-25feb19
                                        Danny Z.Cebis

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                                          #83
                                          Originally posted by magnetite View Post
                                          Going to wait to get this on Steam. I'm not familiar with Microsoft's XBox store. With Steam, everything is in one place.
                                          It is unlikely (but certainly not impossible) that this new simulator will be available on Steam.
                                          Tim Lincoln
                                          My YouTube Channel

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                                          • Swaluver88
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                                            I cant see it being released on steam

                                          • Ausflight
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                                            Not anytime soon anyway.

                                          #84
                                          Originally posted by teohalfen View Post
                                          As long as MSFS doesn't have stutters or micro-stutters I'm ok. Micro-stutters ruin the "flight" experience. "Aerofly FS", Warthunder and some others have a great fluidity even in complex sceneries.

                                          Teo Halfen
                                          I was wondering about the stutters or pauses too. Can't say I was too impressed with a recent preview I watched where someone was flying an Extra and it was not pretty. Of course we don't know what spec hardware the guy was using. I have seen a lot of "game playing" going on in a lot of the previews. I am glad that one can isolate from other users. I would be pretty ticked if someone interfered with my session. Time will tell. My mind is still blown by the scenery. The whole world in satellite high definition detail.

                                          Rob Roberson
                                          Rotorcraft-Helicopter
                                          SEL-MEL Airplane Instrument

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                                          • Swaluver88
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                                            Entertainment eye candy. That's it.

                                          #85
                                          This swaluver88 guy has a bone to pick with this new sim.

                                          Good grief dude....what do you know that we don't? Besides,

                                          ​​​​if this thing is a flop, it's still going to be better than p3d. That sim and all the other suck when it comes to how the airplanes fly in it.

                                          I'd rather have a sim that behaves the same way with updated graphics than the crap we are on these days.
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                                          Matt kubanda

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                                            #86
                                            Sure, but I'd at least like to be sure the PMDG planes work before ordering it since I don't intend on flying the default planes, which is why I won't pre-order it.
                                            Captain Kevin

                                            Kevin Yang

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                                              #87
                                              Originally posted by Ahsmatt7 View Post
                                              This swaluver88 guy has a bone to pick with this new sim.

                                              Good grief dude....what do you know that we don't? Besides,

                                              ​​​​if this thing is a flop, it's still going to be better than p3d. That sim and all the other suck when it comes to how the airplanes fly in it.

                                              I'd rather have a sim that behaves the same way with updated graphics than the crap we are on these days.
                                              ​​​​​
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                                              sometimes you just gotta roll the dice and believe the past with microsoft. i never said i dont have faith in the sim just dont think for 6 months to a year.

                                              if XPL users fly XPL because of money and how much its costs, do you really think theyll move to FS2020?
                                              if P3D users dont get some kinda of discounts on their products do you think theyll switch over? possible for VFR but to repurchase Flightbeam, the 777, Active Sky, REX, Fly Tampa, QW 787, ORBX and any other products over the years in P3D just to rebuy them again without a discount is asking a lot.

                                              just doesnt come down to money also. look at the history of Microsoft they pulled the plug of funding for many producers. Dovetail left because they didnt sign up for the competition. I dont think Microsoft was aiming for competition between dovetail and ASOBO but more like a Call Of Duty layout where you have multiple companies producing the same franchise game in a different way. unfortunately thats a game release every year. Now since we are on the games section lets look since MW2 and BF3 was released in 2009, 2011 (with the Exclsuion of BF4 after a year it came out they fixed it and it became a great game). DICE and the other 3 Call of Duty developers tried to out do themselves every single year since then and it never hit the spot. Hype it up with pre-rendered footage and released it and at first everyone was like ooo ahhh then 6 months to a year it faded away. now this past Call of Duty was the closest they have been to a good game.

                                              if you havent noticed im comparing FSX\P3D to MW2 and BF3\BF4 to xplane. loads tons of people still play those game because why? they're great. they always have been. yes mw2 had its run with hackers but that is irrelevant in this.

                                              my whole point is, ive learned not to give into expectation from pre rendered footage and or footage from the NDA or better to not judge a book by its cover til 6 months after it comes out in the game market . i have flown on the sim myself at my coworkers house and unfortunately due to his NDA im not gonna say anything to break it. just dont want people to be hyped up and be disappointed in the short run but ive also learned you cant change people either BUT i can state my opinions off of past experiences and history stats.
                                              Last edited by Swaluver88; 24Jul2020, 20:06.
                                              Alex Kulak
                                              PMDG Studier and flyer

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                                                #88
                                                Originally posted by Swaluver88 View Post

                                                sometimes you just gotta roll the dice and believe the past with microsoft. i never said i dont have faith in the sim just dont think for 6 months to a year.

                                                if XPL users fly XPL because of money and how much its costs, do you really think theyll move to FS2020?
                                                if P3D users dont get some kinda of discounts on their products do you think theyll switch over? possible for VFR but to repurchase Flightbeam, the 777, Active Sky, REX, Fly Tampa, QW 787, ORBX and any other products over the years in P3D just to rebuy them again without a discount is asking a lot.

                                                just doesnt come down to money also. look at the history of Microsoft they pulled the plug of funding for many producers. Dovetail left because they didnt sign up for the competition. I dont think Microsoft was aiming for competition between dovetail and ASOBO but more like a Call Of Duty layout where you have multiple companies producing the same franchise game in a different way. unfortunately thats a game release every year. Now since we are on the games section lets look since MW2 and BF3 was released in 2009, 2011 (with the Exclsuion of BF4 after a year it came out they fixed it and it became a great game). DICE and the other 3 Call of Duty developers tried to out do themselves every single year since then and it never hit the spot. Hype it up with pre-rendered footage and released it and at first everyone was like ooo ahhh then 6 months to a year it faded away. now this past Call of Duty was the closest they have been to a good game.

                                                if you havent noticed im comparing FSX\P3D to MW2 and BF3\BF4 to xplane. loads tons of people still play those game because why? they're great. they always have been. yes mw2 had its run with hackers but that is irrelevant in this.

                                                my whole point is, ive learned not to give into expectation from pre rendered footage and or footage from the NDA or better to not judge a book by its cover til 6 months after it comes out in the game market . i have flown on the sim myself at my coworkers house and unfortunately due to his NDA im not gonna say anything to break it. just dont want people to be hyped up and be disappointed in the short run but ive also learned you cant change people either BUT i can state my opinions off of past experiences and history stats.
                                                That's all good stuff. Wise in some ways.

                                                It still doesn't answer the question as to why most of your comments are just negative. From the outside....like from someone who rarely posts....why? . Either way. We are entitled to our own opinions....to an extent.

                                                In my opinion, this sim seems to be on a track to be better than p3d. Apples to apples.....default p3d and it's airplanes are nothing compared to what's been shown. Yes, you are right, the proof is in the pudding. I agree with that. Marketing can be enticing for sure.

                                                Just rambling now. Either way, I would pay again for add-ons for the sim. Just like I've paid again for most iterations of the NHL and Madden franchises. To each their own I suppose.
                                                Matt kubanda

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                                                  #89
                                                  I'm not pre-ordering either if I'm going to be honest. I sincerely hope that the new MFS is going to revolutionize flight simulation, but I'm the type of guy who likes to know what he's purchasing. Unfortunately, you can't use the footage that the seller releases as a good indication of the product as they are bound to show off the best parts and put together the video in a way that's meant to get people to think it's worth purchasing.

                                                  There are plenty of people who will be reviewing the new MFS and posting videos in the days after release. I'd be rather disappointing if the new sim isn't living up to the hype but I rather know by watching and reading what others think of it then sink $60+ to find out for myself.
                                                  James Ward

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                                                    #90
                                                    Can't wait to uninstall P3D! I won't be looking back. Finally it's time to lay to rest the old clunker fsx legacy code.
                                                    Last edited by VBHB; 25Jul2020, 04:15.
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