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    RealTurb and PMDG aircraft

    Hi all,

    in another thread I got curious about RealTurb and so I gave it a try for Europe. And I must say I am rather pleased with its effect, but only when flying. There is one annoying thing on the ground which seems to affect only PMDG aircraft and which will probably prevent me from using it.

    When parked or taxiing and the tail pointing into the wind, the plane is rocking up and down (wheel struts, in the 744 the nosewheel strut, are compressing and decompressing all the time). This is extremly annoying and I guess quite unrealistic when a fully loaded 747 gets rocked up and down by a 17 knots tailwind while parked. I havent seen this happening with default aircraft or with the MaddogX, and it also only happens when there is a certain tailwind component.

    If you have RealTurb Europe you can try at GCTS or any other Canarian Island. Set Aktive Sky historic weather for example to January 6th, 12:00 UTC and set the aircraft on the ground with the tail pointing into the wind...

    I wrote the developer to suggest to maybe implement something like a groundspeed threshold below which the effect stops, but as this seems to be PMDG specific I would be interested also in knowing what could possibly cause that? Is it the custom animations? Any ideas?

    best regards
    Manolo Ruiz Carrió

    #2
    The PMDG 744 has its own turbulence settings which can be configured from within the aircraft's FMS menus. I suspect what you are seeing is 'interference' caused by RealTurb. You could always try turning it off.
    Michael Codd

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      #3
      Not seeing that issue here Manolo, using default PMDG settings in your scenario posted.
      Regards

      Stephen Cooke

      For PFPX aircraft performance files visit: AirlinerPerformance.net

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        #4
        Maybe turn your turbulence settings down in Active Sky? I used it first time yesterday on a flight into Portland with NGXu and loved the effect. No issues during taxi.
        Victor Green

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          #5
          This is interesting, but it brought me to find out another detail. The rocking stops when engines are not running. Stephen, could you confirm that the described scenario gave you a wind of 18 knots, tail was into the wind and engines where running?

          Victor, as far as I understand and from what I have seen in testing AS settings have no influence on RealTurb. Actually I have all my turbulence settings in AS at minimums because I cant stand its effects.

          Michael, I think those settings in FMS you are referring to are only regarding AP/AT behaviour with P3D turbulence simulation (which is different from RealTurb simulation). Anyway changing those settings didnt have any effect on the issue

          best regards
          Manolo Ruiz Carrió

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          • Michael Codd
            Michael Codd commented
            Editing a comment
            I am fairly certain the built in FMS turb settings are not affected by the AP/FD. Part of their effects is to provide shaking on the ground during takeoff and wing flexing in flight. I do know that some users have had a few issues with their turbulence effects and in the past it has been put down to the various Turb settings in AS being set too high. If users are also using RealTurb as well, then it is hardly surprising they are experiencing a few exaggerated and unwanted shakes.

          • Sekkha
            Sekkha commented
            Editing a comment
            Sorry Michael, I missunderstood you. I thought you were refering to the adjustable tailwind component to trigger the turbulence filter for AP/AT which is in the settings of the 744.

          #6
          Originally posted by Sekkha View Post
          This is interesting, but it brought me to find out another detail. The rocking stops when engines are not running. Stephen, could you confirm that the described scenario gave you a wind of 18 knots, tail was into the wind and engines where running?
          Yes can confirm the above.
          Regards

          Stephen Cooke

          For PFPX aircraft performance files visit: AirlinerPerformance.net

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            #7
            Ok, thank you very much !
            This is really weird...no idea what could be different here with our PMDG planes
            I cant get rid of that for the moment

            best regards
            Manolo Ruiz Carrió

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              #8
              Sorry, what is RealTurb?

              edit: answered my own question via Youtube Research > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P245mLZyAic
              Last edited by oblongmushroom; 12Jan2020, 20:13.
              Ro Faulk

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                #9
                just another detail: when parking brake is set the rocking stops as well.
                So conditions to reproduce it for me are: tailwind of certain strength, engines running, parking brake not set
                Happens with the 747 and with the NGXu , just the same
                Manolo Ruiz Carrió

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                  #10
                  Another interesting video on RealTurb for those interested. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWUBSe5FOGc
                  Ro Faulk

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                    #11
                    Manolo, I‘ve noticed issues taking off with the float version of the A2A Piper Cub. These issues only appeared in North America, not in Europe. I only have Realturb NA. Someone in the A2A forum suggested to turn off the up- and downdrafts in Active Sky, which I thought I had deactivated but in fact they had been set to +/- 500 fpm. After the deactivation those issues were solved. As said before this only happened in North America, maybe you find the solution by turning them off too. Might be worth a try.
                    i7-6700k, GTX 1080TI, 32GB DDR4 RAM @1600MHz, 4k

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                    • Michael Codd
                      Michael Codd commented
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                      Turning them off in AS might reduce the desired effect on your PMDG aircraft's behaviour and performance; especially in Windshear/EGPWS encounters.

                    #12
                    I find it a great add-on generally, but a down-side can be that it triggers turbulence effects of your camera program/plane etc. whilst on the ground.
                    Rudy Fidao

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                      #13
                      easy to uninstall?
                      Ro Faulk

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                        #14
                        just installed it to try today and its so realistic. definitely worth getting

                        In real life a flight I made from KSMO to KCMA can be choppy at VFR levels.
                        with RealTurb I experienced extremely accurate effects, if not the same as in real life.

                        Had no issues with it on the ground with the PMDG 777.
                        Last edited by oblongmushroom; 13Jan2020, 06:23.
                        Ro Faulk

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                          #15
                          just got an answer from the developer:

                          "Hi,
                          Thanks for the feedback! Bug is confirmed indeed! (You are the first to report this)

                          I will try and issue an update this week with the fix."

                          Great !!





                          Manolo Ruiz Carrió

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                            #16
                            Originally posted by Sekkha View Post
                            just got an answer from the developer:

                            "Hi,
                            Thanks for the feedback! Bug is confirmed indeed! (You are the first to report this)

                            I will try and issue an update this week with the fix."

                            Great !!




                            Just to make sure: A bug in Realturb?
                            i7-6700k, GTX 1080TI, 32GB DDR4 RAM @1600MHz, 4k

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                              #17
                              Yes, the answer is from the developer of RealTurb. I suggested them to introduce a groundspeed threshold below which the effect stops. Dont know if they will considers that or if there is really a bug which can be solved. Lets see..
                              Manolo Ruiz Carrió

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                                #18
                                Originally posted by Sekkha View Post
                                Yes, the answer is from the developer of RealTurb. I suggested them to introduce a groundspeed threshold below which the effect stops. Dont know if they will considers that or if there is really a bug which can be solved. Lets see..
                                Looks like they've fixed it, or at least I got the e-mails saying they were updated. I can't check myself since I'm not at home.
                                Captain Kevin

                                Kevin Yang

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                                  #19
                                  Hi Kevin,
                                  Must be fixed > I tested it yesterday and no issues so far.

                                  posted my findings a fey clicks up!


                                  Ro Faulk

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                                    #20
                                    yup:

                                    copy the dll included in the zip file into RealTurb North America folder and overwrite existing dll.
                                    v1.7 Changelog *************** - RealTurb turbulence effects also applied when on ground bug fixed.
                                    Great! Thanks for your effort Manolo!!
                                    i7-6700k, GTX 1080TI, 32GB DDR4 RAM @1600MHz, 4k

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                                      #21
                                      It seems to be fixed only partially at the moment. If you start on the ground its ok, but as soon as plane gets airborn and then gets back to ground the effect is being applied again. I am in contact with the developer regarding this. Lets see again
                                      Manolo Ruiz Carrió

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                                        #22
                                        Any news from the developer?
                                        James Goggi

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                                          #23
                                          Originally posted by jgoggi View Post
                                          Any news from the developer?
                                          He's now looking at tying the effect to fixed N1...

                                          Sorry! Just a light-hearted joke
                                          Rudy Fidao

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                                            #24
                                            Originally posted by Sekkha View Post
                                            Hi all,

                                            in another thread I got curious about RealTurb and so I gave it a try for Europe. And I must say I am rather pleased with its effect, but only when flying. There is one annoying thing on the ground which seems to affect only PMDG aircraft and which will probably prevent me from using it.

                                            When parked or taxiing and the tail pointing into the wind, the plane is rocking up and down (wheel struts, in the 744 the nosewheel strut, are compressing and decompressing all the time). This is extremly annoying and I guess quite unrealistic when a fully loaded 747 gets rocked up and down by a 17 knots tailwind while parked. I havent seen this happening with default aircraft or with the MaddogX, and it also only happens when there is a certain tailwind component.

                                            If you have RealTurb Europe you can try at GCTS or any other Canarian Island. Set Aktive Sky historic weather for example to January 6th, 12:00 UTC and set the aircraft on the ground with the tail pointing into the wind...

                                            I wrote the developer to suggest to maybe implement something like a groundspeed threshold below which the effect stops, but as this seems to be PMDG specific I would be interested also in knowing what could possibly cause that? Is it the custom animations? Any ideas?

                                            best regards
                                            I had no idea there was a Maddog-X (MD-82) until I saw your post.

                                            All I can say is wow after purchasing it. The flight modeling and ground handling along with amazing effect and animation are what I have been wanting. Livery management > Updating aircraft is top-notch > works everytime . When you roll down the runway and use aileron you get very nice dynamic actuation in the struts. On landing, it looks and feels so real on touchdown. Flight surfaces all move fluidly like the real thing. the dark exhaust from the turbines is very realistic. Some say its the most realistic out there. I the TSS Sound Pack for it. Dayum its pretty damn perfect this jet.

                                            /// You guys should have a look at the spec list for it! RealGlass, Icing > fogging > Rain



                                            Best
                                            Ro Faulk

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                                              #25
                                              yes, the MaddogX is a great piece of software, too !

                                              P.S. no further news at the moment regarding RealTurb.
                                              Manolo Ruiz Carrió

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                                                #26
                                                What's the location of the MaddogX sound folder? do not see it anywhere so I can overwrite it with the TSS sound upgrades
                                                Ro Faulk

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                                                  #27
                                                  Have you tried the Maddog forums? It’s a more appropriate place to ask than here. You’ll probably find an FAQ answer.
                                                  Mike Dryden

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                                                    #28
                                                    Originally posted by Mickel View Post
                                                    Have you tried the Maddog forums? It’s a more appropriate place to ask than here. You’ll probably find an FAQ answer.
                                                    yeah did that, just know he uses it.

                                                    thanks
                                                    Ro Faulk

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                                                      #29
                                                      all sorted by the moderator! TSS definitely adds the final touch on my Jets!
                                                      Loving the Maddog . Thanks Sekkha!
                                                      Ro Faulk

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                                                        #30
                                                        Just received the following message from the developer:

                                                        "Just for info, I managed to reproduce the issue you had after slewing or taking off and then landing with the effects again not stopping and I fixed it. There are some more fixes on the way so v1.8 will be coming this week most probably including the ground fix."
                                                        Manolo Ruiz Carrió

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