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    [07NOV19] PMDG Product Trajectory Alignment: What to expect in the coming weeks, months, hours, etc.

    Captains,

    If you have been hanging around the PMDG forum for the past 22 years, you are likely aware that we operate on a continually updating five-year development plan. Each year, the plan is updated in January and July to reflect what we know of marketplace trends, our forward progress on existing projects, staffing levels, budget requirements, licensing costs and lots of other really boring business details that I won’t burden you with because we actually enjoy your company. 😊

    The modifications we make to this plan rarely include seismic changes. A couple lines of text. We tweak the deliverable schedules, adjust expectations and continue on.

    This year was a bit different. Our mid-year update in 2019 was not a course adjustment, it was a course deviation. Actually, it was probably more along the lines of being re-dispatched to a new destination while already enroute. A sunny, warm destination when all you packed for this segment was your cold weather gear...

    In other words- our mid-year update was a big change this time around.

    Many of you have probably guessed that this took place quietly in the back offices at PMDG HQ but we have been keeping the details to ourselves because we felt it would be better to wait until the details finally gelled- because then the changes would make more sense to you as part of a "bigger picture" view of the simming world in which PMDG exists.

    So here is what you can expect from PMDG moving forward:

    Quick, Boring, Corporatized Summary: For the past seven years, PMDG has been focused on trying to drive our products onto multiple platforms in order to increase our market reach. This has caused a slowdown in productivity, reducing the number of new titles that we can bring to market. Our goal for the next five years is to simplify our development process, improve time-to-market for new products and free up development resources to allow us to continue innovating interesting new ideas and technologies.

    Yeah. That is the sort of corporate-speak that generally makes me want to reach for the vomit bag… I included it here because it might help you to see the pattern in the detail breakout below.

    Preparing for Microsoft Flight Simulator: It won’t come as a surprise to learn that we are pivoting our entire development process in order to include this exciting new platform. I’m not going to focus too much on this process for today’s announcement as we have a bunch of information to share on this topic at a future date- but suffice-to-say that most of what you will read below is a cascade effect of our strategic realignment to support this new platform. We do anticipate bringing the 737, 747, 777 and DC-6 product lines into Microsoft Flight Simulator and we will share more details on that in the near future.

    End of Development for all 32bit platforms: We have previously announced that we will no longer develop products for FSX, FSX-Steam Edition or Prepar3D v3. We are expanding this stop order to include future product updates. Effective immediately there will be no planned updates to any of our 32bit offerings, and we are actively evaluating the End-of-Life process for all FSX, FSX-Steam Edition and Prepar3D v3 titles. Shortly we will announce an End-of-Life date for product sales of 32bit versions that is estimated to be within the next 6 months. We will continue to offer technical support for existing customers well after these products are removed from sale, however and anyone who has purchased them will still have full access to them within their PMDG purchase history at pmdg.com. Summary: If you own these products it won't impact you. We are simply going to end new sales in the near future.

    End of Development for Xplane platforms: For some time we have been watching market metrics with the Xplane platform and evaluating our own development schedule in order to find a gap into which we can slide a dedicated Xplane development cycle. As part of our strategic objective to simplify our development agenda, we are pivoting to dedicate all of our development resources to our Prepar3D v4 product lines and to our upcoming Microsoft Flight Simulator product lines. Effective immediately, we are no longer evaluating an Xplane development cycle at any point in the current five year window, nor do we see any active XPlane development time being allocated at PMDG.

    Preparing PMDG Global Flight Operations for Phased Release: We are preparing to move PMDG Global Flight Operations from the development process to a more active testing environment. Development to date has been focused on the development of all the protocol necessary to support the PPMDG Global Flight Operations simulation environment as a framework for data interchange between simulation products, <yawn!> and we feel that the core structure is now robust and ready to be put to work.

    We have selected a number of folks from this forum who will be invited to begin participating in a limited access, private test run of Global Flight Operations in order to help us find any remaining corners that need to be tucked in before we begin the phased rollout of PMDG Global Flight Operations functionality to our wider customer base. (P.S.: We know many of you are excited to offer your services to us for testing- but please understand that we do not accept active solicitations to our test teams, so please do not reach out to offer your services. We chose a batch of users from this forum based upon their general knowledge, personal demeanor, mature enthusiasm and history of engagement here in the PMDG forum…)

    We will have a wide-testing regime that will be open to the public and details will be posted here in the PMDG forum at a later date.

    Initial rollout will include key basic features, and then we will begin turning on dozens of advanced features once we have built some confidence that this entirely new, ground-breaking simulation environment is supporting our usage expectations. Stay tuned for this- there are exciting times ahead!


    PMDG 737NG3 Product Realignment: The previously announced PMDG 737NG3 product line is being realigned in order to support the new Microsoft Flight Simulator platform. PMDG 737NG3 will now be released as an MSFS-only product in order to allow us to capitalize on bringing forth the very best that the new simulation platform has to offer without having to saddle the development team with external compatibility concerns.

    The PMDG 737NG3 for Microsoft Flight Simulator will include the entire 737NG and MAX product lines in a mix of base package and expansion packages similar to our existing product inventory. The mix of aircraft across these packages will vary from previous offerings. Pricing will be in line with existing product offerings.

    We will have lots more information to share on NG3 and the development process, to include a development and release timeline in a future update dedicated to this exciting new product line but we do want to be clear that PMDG 737NG3 is now aligned to be released only in Microsoft Flight Simulator.




    Okay- I had a few more things to share, but this seems like quite a bit to digest for now- so I think we will cap it right here. I had one more item to share with you but in all of this typing and editing I appear to have lost my train of thought. (This is the problem with storing all this stuff up!)

    More coffee, and then we will see if I can recall what the last detail was.


    Robert S. Randazzo
    PMDG Simulations
    http://www.pmdg.com



    #2
    I can understand where it makes sense to drop all 32bit support. A bit sad to read no NG3 for X-Plane, although I can see why as there is some free competition out there.
    Last edited by Jude Bradley; 07Nov2019, 21:49.
    Jude Bradley

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      #3
      Originally posted by Jude Bradley View Post
      Nevertheless, I look forward to NG3 in P3D.
      I think you misread, the NG3 isn't coming to P3D anymore. It's full-steam ahead for MSFS from now on.
      Steven Agre

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        #4
        Originally posted by St. Agre View Post

        I think you misread, the NG3 isn't coming to P3D anymore. It's full-steam ahead for MSFS from now on.
        That is not good.

        Jude Bradley
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          #5
          Maybe I am misreading this but I likely am not, this means that P3D will NOT see the 737 NG3 in 4.5 etc but only the new Microsoft Flight Simulation? If so that is a tad bit frustrating given the significant investment many have made to the 4+ version of P3D in the last two years. In 2019 alone I have spent a cumulative of about $11,000 between new hardware and the most up to date addons.

          Ryan Spellman

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            #6
            Disappointing to say the very least.

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              #7
              Very dissapointing to read the NGX3 will not make it for P3D.

              Dan Cushing

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                #8
                Originally posted by St. Agre View Post

                I think you misread, the NG3 isn't coming to P3D anymore. It's full-steam ahead for MSFS from now on.
                Hmmm....
                Is it just me, or isn´t it a bit early to close down developement of new addons for P3D V4 ?
                I´m a tad more than just a bit disappointed.
                Finn Jacobsen
                PC Spec.: i7 3770 3.4 Ghz, 16GB RAM, Nvidia GTX 960 4 GB, Windows 7 Home Edition

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                  #9
                  That’s a massive disappointment no p3d version its your business who am I to tell you what to do it was nice to have you as a developer but that will be it from me good luck for the future
                  Duarte Vieira

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                    #10
                    It may be disappointing that the NG3 isn't coming to P3Dv4 to say the least but I find it very exciting. That shows me that Asobo has showed PMDG enough to say that this new sim is in fact a sim and not a flight disaster.
                    Tim Barker FAA ATCS

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                      #11
                      Will there be any updates to any aircraft for p3dv4 or will you make those updates an MSFS 150dollar addons too?
                      John-Paul Cannon

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                        #12
                        Full speed ahead with a new sim, finally!!

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Tbarker1989 View Post
                          It may be disappointing that the NG3 isn't coming to P3Dv4 to say the least but I find it very exciting. That shows me that Asobo has showed PMDG enough to say that this new sim is in fact a sim and not a flight disaster.
                          100% agree. MSFS is the future, and if PMDG are so convinced of it that they're planning for it this early, that's some serious confidence. If anything, this is the proof that MSFS2020 is for real.
                          Steven Agre

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by St. Agre View Post

                            100% agree. MSFS is the future, and if PMDG are so convinced of it that they're planning for it this early, that's some serious confidence. If anything, this is the proof that MSFS2020 is for real.
                            Oh behave, the hand is in cookie jar. It will be assumed that if PMDG go fully into MSFS with all new updates/products then the masses will move. We still don't know how MSFS will be priced, but you can be sure that PMDG products will be the same price if not more.
                            John-Paul Cannon

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                              #15
                              Thankyou Robert for the update information.
                              Danny Z.Cebis

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                                #16
                                Gentlemen,

                                please we should all calm down a little bit. New MSFS is not out yet, who knows what it will eventually become.

                                Sure, I am very sad about NG3 not coming to P3D. I believe it was not an easy decision. I still hope that PMDG will change their minds. I also have no idea what will happen to P3D platform at all. Life is not so straightforward

                                With all the best, Jan
                                Jan Vysoký

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                                  #17
                                  Quite disappointed to know that NG3 wont be available for P3D v4, I simply can't understand why...
                                  Alexis Nguyen

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                                  • Jude Bradley
                                    Jude Bradley commented
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                                    I guess PMDG are trying to rationalize their business plans for the future. A lot of people would probably buy NG3 twice if it was released for P3D and MSFS.

                                  #18
                                  Originally posted by CannonousCrash View Post

                                  Oh behave, the hand is in cookie jar. It will be assumed that if PMDG go fully into MSFS with all new updates/products then the masses will move. We still don't know how MSFS will be priced, but you can be sure that PMDG products will be the same price if not more.
                                  You don't know how it will be priced? This is how it will be priced. You can pay $59.99 for the game outright or if you are part of XBOX Game Pass($14.99 Monthly Subscription) you get the game for free. That is how all of the XBOX Games work that launch and go straight to Game Pass. If they choose to charge more than a typical video game then they have lost their mind. There may be a third option for a subscription for something additional to the game that has been tossed about but I do not know what that would entail. Here is a screenshot proving my point. This game launched Day 1 on Game Pass.

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                                  Last edited by Tbarker1989; 07Nov2019, 22:13.
                                  Tim Barker FAA ATCS

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                                    #19
                                    In the latest photo of NG3 from PMDG, it was working perfectly in p3d..
                                    Alexis Nguyen

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                                      #20
                                      Just think for a second how good MSFS must be if PMDG is willing to drop development for P3D when the NG3 was already close to entering beta phase for that platform...
                                      Regards,
                                      Marius Stach

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                                        #21
                                        Not a good decision. The move from FSX to P3D took me over 6 years, probably a few thousand $$$ worth of aftermarket aircraft and scenery software, which now occupies several hundred gigabytes on my hard drive. Going to FS2020 would be starting from scratch. I’m not going to do it. I’m not going to wait 3-4 years for all the amazing add on airports I already have to be released for FS2020, just to spend all the money all over again. If I were PMDG I’d bring this up at the next meeting and concentrate some debate on the possible negative implications of this business decision.
                                        David Zill

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                                        • Blakewilliams22
                                          Blakewilliams22 commented
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                                          Yes you will. This new sim is a game changer. Something we've been begging for. I know it's upsetting, but I'll bet you switch once you see what's capable in the new sim.

                                        #22
                                        shocking news about the NG3 not coming to P3D, but the guys at PMDG know what they are doing. I can only hope for an upgrade path from P3dDv4 addons into MSFS, but if I read correctly, we will be updated at a later time.
                                        Cheers,
                                        Alan Dominguez

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                                          #23
                                          Thank you for the update, Robert. However, I'm crying myself to sleep tonight, I was really looking forward to the release of the NG3 :'(
                                          Max Dyba
                                          Content @ FSElite.net

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                                            #24
                                            Originally posted by Tbarker1989 View Post

                                            You don't know how it will be priced? This is how it will be priced. You can pay $59.99 for the game outright or if you are part of XBOX Game Pass($14.99 Monthly Subscription) you get the game for free. That is how all of the XBOX Games work that launch and go straight to Game Pass. If they choose to charge more than a typical video game then they have lost their mind. There may be a third option for a subscription for something additional to the game that has been tossed about but I do not know what that would entail.
                                            Its not an xbox game though, Its a PC game getting ported to xbox at a later date and the price hasn't been announced, so you are only guessing. Until MSFS have come out and said how it will be paid for, no one knows.
                                            John-Paul Cannon

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                                              #25
                                              Did Microsoft do an 'Epic Game Store' and buy the plane for their latest flight sim? I would not put this past MS to do something like that, that is what the cynic in me thinks.

                                              However I would like to think that PMDG sees a great future in the new MS platform, however, how can you tell this early on if its anything more than a pile of bad code (like all previous versions of flight sim).

                                              Meh, what ever, we all know everyone here will buy the next MSFS and PMDG product, lets not fool ourselves.

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                                                #26
                                                Just my two cents.
                                                Why post a picture of the NG3 in P3D 4.5 at the new KIAD to get everybodys hopes up the aircraft is coming to P3D then drop this on everybody.

                                                I don't think dropping P3D is going to be the smart move unless they think their market is about to expand ten fold with the new sim.
                                                Mark Roberts

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                                                  #27
                                                  Cheer up guys! I've spent a lot of money on P3D as well but let's get real, we are just using it by accident, and it's built on out dated technology. I'm actually happy with this announcement as it confirms MSFS is the real deal next generation flight simulator. I trust PMDG's judgement.
                                                  Troy Krajancic

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                                                    #28
                                                    Thanks for the news update. A proper breath of fresh air. Excited for the NG3, excited for the future. No more 2D cloud sprites for me! Well, next year anyway. Gotta deal with what we got for the mean time.
                                                    Daniel Glover

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                                                      #29
                                                      So is the B777 update and EFB for P3D no longer going to happen? I’m not 100% clear if the post was saying that no new titles PMDG bring to market will ever be made for P3D anymore.
                                                      Tony Simpson

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                                                        #30
                                                        It is pity to say that we have spent lots of money for P3D then now they all move to MSFS, not everyone can afford such big investment to start over again with the new platform just to fly their favourite planes.

                                                        Could you please now just think of those simmers before moving on with that business plan? It might be good for your company but not all of the community.



                                                        Alexis Nguyen

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