P3d v5.4

[tadow777]

Anyone interested, Prepar3d release and update today.

P3d v5.4

Eugene Warrick

[RISCfuture]

None of my PMDG aircraft are showing up in my aircraft list anymore after updating. Neither is my Majestic Q400. My A2A and MadDog aircraft are showing up, though. Caveat emptor.

[lmhariano]

Any update required for any of the P3D PMDG birds?

[trisho]

I just updated P3Dv5.3 to P3Dv5.4 with no side effects yet. The recommended method is simply updating using the Client installer according to the Instructions.

Patricio Valdes

[RayP]

Could we have an official statement about P3D v5.4 please? Any action required if just the Client is updated?

[Ephedrin]

For official contact you should submit a ticket, as you know. It‘s primarily a user forum. With all development for P3D being paused atm I don‘t think they‘ll make big announcements on that topic just because LM decided to release an update after 3 years of silence.

[rsrandazzo]

Marc- This is not true- please don't tell people this. You make it sound as if we are not here. We want people to go to technical support for account issues and technical issues that they cannot solve here and via self-help. We simply wish folks to know that we are not going to answer every thread and post- as this isn't feasible or realistic. - RSR

[Ephedrin]

Aye, received and understood

[rsrandazzo]

Thanks, Marc! - RSR

[RayP]

For official contact you should submit a ticket, as you know. It‘s primarily a user forum. With all development for P3D being paused atm I don‘t think they‘ll make big announcements on that topic just because LM decided to release an update after 3 years of silence.

You would hope that PMDG would take the initiative and say something. Does every PMDG customer have to raise a ticket for the answer? How much work does that place on the management? Surely it’s best if they say if updating won’t cause any issues.

[douglas96]

For official contact you should submit a ticket, as you know. It‘s primarily a user forum. With all development for P3D being paused atm I don‘t think they‘ll make big announcements on that topic just because LM decided to release an update after 3 years of silence.

Hardly 3 years of silence considering v5.3 was released in December 2021.

There should be an announcement on here for exactly the reasons Ray mentions.

Also, I can still buy P3d PMDG aircraft so support is an expectation.

[Ephedrin]

21? That late? It felt like an eternity 😅 anyway, I recommend a ticket for official replys. The latest statement regarding P3D sounded a lot like „not now“. But sure thing, if it stopped working it will require an update. But normally it shouldn‘t.

[RayP]

I raised a ticket asking if the PMDG737NGXu was compatible with v5.4. This was the reply...

"We are not aware of any items that are not compatible with P3D V5.4 at this time so it should work properly without any issues."

So it looks as though you'll be fine with 5.4. I don't recall having a patch for v5.3. Did we?

[DDowns]

I raised a ticket asking if the PMDG737NGXu was compatible with v5.4. This was the reply...

"We are not aware of any items that are not compatible with P3D V5.4 at this time so it should work properly without any issues."

So it looks as though you'll be fine with 5.4. I don't recall having a patch for v5.3. Did we?

I don't recall ever having to update the PMDG products with any minor version update of P3D. Now, when going from v3 to v4 and v5 certainly but not a 5.3 to 5.4.

[Captain Kevin]

I don't recall ever having to update the PMDG products with any minor version update of P3D. Now, when going from v3 to v4 and v5 certainly but not a 5.3 to 5.4.

It was either 4.2 or 4.3, but one of those required an update from PMDG as that was when PBR was first implemented. Really, I guess it depends on what the update itself entails.

[DDowns]

I remember that.... in that specific case the product worked without the PBR update. Of course adding PBR materials was important to competitiveness.

[Boomer]

I just installed it and got all the add-ons working but darned if I see any advantages.

[Ephedrin]

I just installed it and got all the add-ons working but darned if I see any advantages.

Seems mostly to be the default GPS (device) logic.

[rsrandazzo]

Gents-

I'm sorry we were not immediately in a position to make pronouncements about the unexpected Lockheed Martin update to v5.4. We were unaware that it was coming, and had not conducted any advance testing.

As of this moment the update appears to be minor and requires no additional updates from PMDG.

Ray Proudfoot: Your instincts were correct. Ignore Marc's guidance. We much prefer folks ask questions here, where the answers and responses are sourced from a far greater resource of knowledge than having 200,000 people reach out to us at Tech support. The "this is a user only forum" is a bit of a bastardized version of our guidance that "if you can't find a solution- reach out to us at support...and please do not demand/expect/require an answer from a member of the PMDG team just because you have a question." After all- the whole point of a user community is shared assistance.

[RayP]

Robert, thanks, that’s reassuring to know. 👍

[JailbaitAJ]

Gents-

I'm sorry we were not immediately in a position to make pronouncements about the unexpected Lockheed Martin update to v5.4. We were unaware that it was coming, and had not conducted any advance testing.

As of this moment the update appears to be minor and requires no additional updates from PMDG.

Ray Proudfoot: Your instincts were correct. Ignore Marc's guidance. We much prefer folks ask questions here, where the answers and responses are sourced from a far greater resource of knowledge than having 200,000 people reach out to us at Tech support. The "this is a user only forum" is a bit of a bastardized version of our guidance that "if you can't find a solution- reach out to us at support...and please do not demand/expect/require an answer from a member of the PMDG team just because you have a question." After all- the whole point of a user community is shared assistance.

Good Morning,

There is a thread on FSL regarding P3D5.4 and Concorde where Andrew Wilson stated they knew about 5.4 for some time.

At this point, wouldnt it be prudent just to say you guys are no longer in active development of P3Dv5 as you still sell those products here? Or put on the product page something like "since P3D is no-longer in active development at P3D, please file a support ticket if you have any issues with the product?"

It just seems very interesting that you guys are in the development world and had no idea about 5.4, yet FSL and LeonardoSH did (the latter just kicked out an update yesterday for P3D5.4).

[rsrandazzo]

Austin- Your post is the perfect metaphor for what you are asking. I have mentioned in numerous update posts and about a dozen other threads during the past 18 months or so that our primary development agenda is focused entirely on MSFS, and we are not currently engaged in any work or planning in the P3D environment. In stating this, I always make clear that no further considerations are being made on the future of our P3D development until we get through the heavy lift of bringing our flagship products into MSFS. But it has been a long time since I have said this- and you'd need to be here in the PMDG forum tracking what I say in order to know that.

Sort of like how we would need to be in the LM forums and tracking what they are doing in order to have known that they were planning a 5.4 update.

Since we posted here many times over nearly 2 years that we aren't tracking them currently due to workload issues- we didn't see what they had announced- and thus we were surprised when they dropped 5.4/ Sort of like how you weren't following everything I say and were surprised to see me say we didn't know it was coming.

TL;dr: Please don't tell me to do what I already did when you missed what I did because you were doing the same thing we were doing. :-)

- RSR

[Emi]

Good Morning,

There is a thread on FSL regarding P3D5.4 and Concorde where Andrew Wilson stated they knew about 5.4 for some time.

At this point, wouldnt it be prudent just to say you guys are no longer in active development of P3Dv5 as you still sell those products here? Or put on the product page something like "since P3D is no-longer in active development at P3D, please file a support ticket if you have any issues with the product?"

It just seems very interesting that you guys are in the development world and had no idea about 5.4, yet FSL and LeonardoSH did (the latter just kicked out an update yesterday for P3D5.4).

It is no secret that main development efforts are focussed on MSFS, however as you can see PMDG quickly reacted to the update, tested the plane and found everything to work. So no problems there.
Also the planes are fully supported in P3D.

FSL... they're stuck on P3D as they've been thrown off MSFS by Asobo during the original beta due to being a**** at them. No surprise they are a bit closer to Lockheed at the moment as it's their only source of income.
Leonardo just did a minor update, no surprises there.

[cptalpdeniz]

Is this true?

[RayP]

FSL... they're stuck on P3D as they've been thrown off MSFS by Asobo during the original beta due to being a**** at them.

I imagine FS Labs are delighted at that info being made public.

[RayP]

Emi, dropping it seems a good idea. Slagging off a respectable company is not appropriate or relevant in this forum.

[Emi]

I sure do have such proof as backup for my statement Ray: https://web.archive.org/web/20161221...ight-sim-labs/

Agree with Ephedrin however, this doesn't seem the place to discuss this further. If you're interested in more detail drop me a PM.

[RayP]

I couldn’t login. Not interested in discussing this further. What is done is done.

[Bob_Z]

Given the myriad problems MSFS has had (I do use it almost exclusively), maybe FSL was right in the first place.

[DD_Arthur]

Interesting observation Bob. Not sure how missing out on four years worth of potentially massive sales income and seeing their flagship product overtaken by a worthy rival will work out for FS Labs….

[RayP]

FSL’s flagship product is Concorde. They have no serious competitor to that aircraft in any sim.

[DD_Arthur]

I imagine FS Labs are delighted at that info being made public.

What? That they made themselves so unpleasant that Asobo ejected them from the beta?
Oh dear!

Arthur.

[Ephedrin]

What goes around comes around.. 🤷🏻♂️ I for myself have banned FSL from my PC as well, I simply do not trust them. Too agressive, too reckless, too arrogant.

[RayP]

What? That they made themselves so unpleasant that Asobo ejected them from the beta?
Oh dear!

Arthur.

Those who sign up to beta testing agree to a non-disclosure agreement. Nothing should be divulged.

[DD_Arthur]

Those who sign up to beta testing agree to a non-disclosure agreement. Nothing should be divulged.

I rather think the MSFS closed development beta is long over…

[rsrandazzo]

Gents,

Can we please not get into spreading rumors and innuendo on what some other developer may/may not have done, who might be mad at whom else or pointing fingers at Asobo for talking or not talking to someone?

None of us really know the truth to any of it and I don't think it is appropriate to be slagging anyone here.

I know some folks like to get into the "X vs. Y" thing but after being in this community for 40 years I have never found it to be a valuable or community beneficial endeavor.

I don't think it is right or fair for folks to go to one developer's forum to slag another developer. I know it goes on- but I don't like it. I think the insinuation that Asobo would "cut someone off" because they got their feelings hurt is an insult to the maturity and skill of the team at Asobo.

As for Asobo: They are so damned busy the only people I think they talk to regularly are those who are working as subs on their own projects, such as WT. If we have heard from them a half dozen times since our last official conversation with them in October of 2021, I'd be amazed.

They are busy. It isn't easy to support outside customers.

Lets not make it a crime.

[StachM]

FSL... they're stuck on P3D as they've been thrown off MSFS by Asobo during the original beta due to being a**** at them. No surprise they are a bit closer to Lockheed at the moment as it's their only source of income.

How do you know that exactly, have you seen any income statement or internal calculation from them? They might as well be making a killing doing commercial projects. That's admittedly speculation on my part as well, but given their given their skillset and enormous attention to detail in modeling some of the most advanced aircraft there are (Airbus and Concorde) it would almost seem like a waste to develop for "just" hobbyists. For all we know, they seem to be operating just fine, and that's good because we need every quality developer we can get, regardless of the platform.

It would also be interesting what else there is to the story with Asobo removing them from the beta. They seemed to be able to work with other developers (namely FSDT/GSX and Simbrief) just fine, something not even PMDG has been able or willing to do (yet) for whatever reason.

[Captain Kevin]

The "this is a user only forum" is a bit of a bastardized version of our guidance that "if you can't find a solution- reach out to us at support...and please do not demand/expect/require an answer from a member of the PMDG team just because you have a question." After all- the whole point of a user community is shared assistance.

I think part of the problem is there have been people who come on here, ask a question, and then when one of us answers their question to try to help them, the response we get from the person is that they would rather get a response from somebody from PMDG, and of course, it doesn't always happen that somebody from PMDG necessarily responds. Not to say it never happens, but it's not guaranteed.

[Ephedrin]

Naah Kevin, he‘s totally right there. What I said was an extremely bad choice of words, I made it sound like PMDG didn‘t care about their forum. Thing is, when 5.4 released I chuckled and thought oh well, here go the 500 redundant threads flooding the forum although RSR has made clear that P3D won‘t get any consideration until their fleet is in MSFS.. I know that PMDG aircraft normally don‘t require any subversion updates but I missed that other people who aren‘t around here as much as we do might not know that. RSR told me to stfu with that and I guess that‘s the simplest thing for me to do 😂 I can absolutely dish out but I can take as well 😁

[Captain Kevin]

Marc, I wasn't addressing anything you said, but rather a completely different issue altogether.

[Boomer]

Given that I'm only interested in the Queen, I imagine I will be locked into P3D until at least 2025.

[dsalman1]

Everything with PMDG worked just fine. The only program that complains about being unsupported is ChasePlane but it actually works fine. I saw a major boost in performance overall. I have a I7 7700k with RTX 3070 TI and there are no stutters or pauses anywhere. I had some in 5.3 HF2 on complex airports but wow, it is just amazing now. Active Sky P3D has a update and FFTF program works as well, although I don't think it is needed anymore. I am a happy camper now.

[RayP]

You’re the first person to report a performance increase. That’s encouraging. I’m waiting until SimStarterNG is compatible.

[VBHB]

MSFS and Xbox is where it's at gents might need just need to make peace with it for once hey?

[Kamikaze]

Overall, I'm also finding P3D 5.4 does run more fluid on a 10700K paired with the same GPU as Dean has.

The eyepoint reset positions drop out for both HGS and Non HGS (e.g., changing views then returning to VC using F9). This previously wasn't an issue in P3D 5.3 HF2.

The NGXu operates fine otherwise.

[Captain Kevin]

MSFS and Xbox is where it's at gents might need just need to make peace with it for once hey?

When you can fly the PMDG 747 and the 777 in MSFS, then get back to me. In any event, if you saw my entire setup, you would realize why an Xbox wouldn't work.
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[Ausflight]

Definitely no room for Xbox or anything else.😀

[tadow777]

Hey Captain Kevin,

Where did you get the tiller from?

Eugene Warrick

[dsalman1]

I am starting a project to build a half cockpit to fly the 737, 777, and 747. I am thinking of using flight illustration hardware. I would like to have a throttle with the motors that moves the throttle when auto throttle is on. I am not sure how to get that work. I like some of what Kevin is using for the throttle and other items.