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    Captains-

    I have a couple of informational items for you today to bring you up to speed on where various moving parts in the PMDG catalog are as of today. More so than at any time in PMDG history- we have a TON of stuff going on, so grab your flight kit and lets get going!

    PMDG 737 for MSFS (all versions):
    During the last two weeks, we have been refactoring some of the click-controls and animation logic in the 737 in order to more tightly conform to updated MSFS SDK standards that have evolved since development work on the 737 started in 2020. This has been a tricky process but overall yielded the results we wanted in that we were able to preserve all functionality on PC and extend identical functionality to Xbox. (There were some collisions in the first few rounds of Xbox testing that have now been resolved.)

    We have been further refining AFDS roll control logic, improving magenta line computations and continuing to prepare the airplane for the impending change in navdata sourcing from our existing format to the more modern and compete Navigraph database format that will get rolled into the airplane here in the near future.

    PMDG 737 for MSFS (PC):
    A new round of 737 updates is anticipated late next week with continued improvements as discussed above. These updates will come via the PMDG Operations Center for pmdg.com customers, and will eventually roll out for MS Marketplace customers probably the following week. (Note: MS Marketplace rollout timelines are hard to predict as w do not control them.)

    PMDG 737 for MSFS (Xbox):
    We are very happy with the 737 on Xbox and looking forward to it's release on the Xbox platform. We are currently holding off on clicking the "go!" button because we have not yet succeeded in gaining clarity on the release timeline for having the associated livery packages available in Marketplace for use by Xbox customers. We are using the DC-6 as a timeline gauge, and it seems that the livery package for the DC-6 is taking far longer to move through the release process than the airplane itself. We are trying to ascertain if this is because "we are doing it wrong" or because of other reasons- but either way we feel it is important to understand the process and timeline so that we can adequately inform and support our Xbox customers with accurate information before we drop the 737s into live status.

    We have an open query on the topic with the Marketplace team but we suspect they are insanely busy and will get back to us once they can.

    I also want to state again that our original concept had been to make the liveries available at no cost, but we had overlooked a long-published detail in the Marketplace agreement stating that the minimum pricing for an item in Marketplace is $4.99, and thus the livery packages for each product will come with that price tag. (Sorry for being wrong on this topic- the fault is mine. This was not the result of anything MS Marketplace changed or did... this was purely a mistake on my part!)

    PMDG Universal Flight Tablet (737):
    The tablet has made great strides over the past month with the dev team proving that our connectivity model works, is robust and ready for wide-scale testing. The major challenge that we have faced here is that C++/WASM projects have severe limitations on their ability to send/receive data between the C++/WASM project and the outside world- whereas Typescript projects are provided with a base of capabilities by the MSFS platform natively. This necessitated an entire development cycle to design/implement/adapt communications capability between the outside world->tablet->airplane that wasn't originally anticipated. The team working on this have now broken through the last series of blockers and are back to working on core content- which pleases them greatly. Morale has definitely improved with the latest round of internal testing.

    During our meeting this week I asked (As I do every week) "What is the progress looking like as far as a release timeline?" and I got an answer that did not involve instructions to contort myself in a manner that generally not considered practical for most adult humans. In fact, it is the first time since they began work on this piece of the puzzle that I received an answer that sounded truly positive- and that is great news!

    Initial release of the tablet will bring you a number of features, with a few more coming over time. Navigraph and simbrief users will be pleased by the care that has gone into ensuring a nice, tight weave between our technology and theirs. I am still not going to project a release timeline for this item, but once I get a green light to share a bit of this with you I will.


    PMDG DC-6 Cloudmaster for MSFS (all versions):
    We have been investing development time in the DC-6 with a specific focus to enabling some small changes in order to make the airplane more Xbox-user-friendly. Specifically this has meant adapting the shape/function of certain clickable surfaces in order to facilitate their use on the Xbox platform (the gust lock, for example) while also creating capability so that Xbox users can access the tablet functions using the easily identifiable methodologies.

    These changes are in testing and will be pushed to users via an update cycle that we hope will be finished late next week. Of course, since the Xbox update must come through Marketplace, that means we will likely see it land on your runway the following week? We are still learning how to manage the Marketplace testing cycle so please stay flexible and we'll keep you posted as things progress.

    PC users will see an update roll out late next week (we think) that will also incorporate these changes but most of them will be transparent to you since they are really targeted to Xbox users.

    PMDG 777 for MSFS (all versions):
    Work is progressing on this project, and we are really really happy with how things are going. There has been some dev-time bleed off as we continue to support the work needed for continued improvements on the 737, tablet development, Xbox testing and workout- but overall things are moving along and the pieces are finally coming together in a polished form. I do not anticipate showing you in-development shots until later. The reason for this is that we are leveraging much of what we learned during 737 development between 2020 and the present, and it is yielding some absolutely spectacular results and features that we know you will love. Rather than dribble them out in partial form, we want to show them to you as they are ready so as to preserve the "moment of ah!" that comes from seeing something new and exciting that incorporates ideas and changes that come from our work and your suggestions.

    We know you have lots of questions about this new product line- but we promise the wait and our silence will be paid off with great joy.

    Okay- I think that covers the update topics for the week. I need to get back to working on the 777 before anyone else notices that I am goofing off!

    I hope you are all enjoying your weekend,


    Robert S. Randazzo
    PMDG Simulations
    http://www.pmdg.com



    #2
    Originally posted by rsrandazzo View Post
    Captains-

    <<editor's note: huge long requote removed for brevity>>

    Thank you Robert for your update glad to hear the 737 is now fully working in the xbox platform and that the case for the release is not because of non functioning stuff and pretty much the cosmetics - tom cole
    Tom cole

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      #3
      Thanks for the update Robert! Great to here progress on the UFT coming along nicely with morale lifting for the team - progress is always a nice feeling!

      Likewise for the 737 series updates too, nice to see continuous development and exciting improvements coming soon.

      ... And the 777? Naturally we're all sat on our hands waiting patiently for the big bird! Keep up the great work.

      Kind Regards
      Luke


      Luke Carter | Flight Sim Content Creator & PPL Student Pilot
      youtube.com/britishavgeek

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      • rsrandazzo
        rsrandazzo commented
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        Luke- I spent about 2hrs standing under the 777 in VR last night while working on some animation sequencing. I have spent many hours underneath the real airplane too... it was like going back in time for me. Unbelievably fun. - RSR

      • moxiejeff
        moxiejeff commented
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        Robert, you're killing me with that comment. Want an additional VR beta tester? hahhahaha. So excited.

      • Troy
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        Oh Robert you're making us drool!

      #4
      Thank you for the update, Mr. Randazzo! I’m looking forward to the 777’s! 😊
      Pablo Vazquez
      Flight Attendant for a major US airline

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        #5
        Thanks much for update!
        Kimi Häkkinen

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          #6
          Thanks for the update and all the hard work, like most Xbox users can't wait till we can get our hands on the 737 in the Sim.
          Tyler Hull

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          • Tomcole
            Tomcole commented
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            I agree with this - tom cole

          #7
          Maybe I need
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          • rsrandazzo
            rsrandazzo commented
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            Grant- We all have needs. No need to be ashamed. You are among friends. :-p - RSR

          #8
          Thank you for the detailed update! Glad the 737 is ready. Can’t wait to see the wonderful liveries to go with it!


          Chase Winks

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            #9
            I feel like most of us Xbox users can breathe a huge sigh of relief knowing that the 737 hasn’t met any major setbacks, so I’d like to say a huge thank you Robert and the PMDG team for going the extra mile to bring us such a high quality product for the flight sim. I can’t wait to get my hands on the 737-800!
            Flynn Walker

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            • Tomcole
              Tomcole commented
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              This is absolutely correct being an xbox user myself these past 2 weeks thinking have there been any progress has there been any setbacks its been a rollercoaster 🤣.. but thank you - tom cole

            • rsrandazzo
              rsrandazzo commented
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              Flynn- Hey, thanks for the kind words. When Jorg's team first briefed us on the commonality between PC and Xbox- we committed internally to supporting both, because we think it is an absolutely fantastic idea for the community. We are excited to roll them out for you guys. I know it has been a long wait- but you'll have them in no time at all! - RSR

            #10
            The update is much appreciated. Looking forward to the improved features, UFT and the 777. Thanks!
            Matt Pearce

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              #11
              Whats the progress on the dc-6 gps units?
              Simon A. Bergmann

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                #12
                Originally posted by British Avgeek YT View Post

                ... And the 777?
                Can't wait to see an Osprey livery on the 777! - can you imagine the -300ER
                Alaister Kay

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                  #13
                  Originally posted by rsrandazzo View Post
                  Captains-

                  I have a couple of informational items for you today to bring you up to speed...
                  Proceeds to write a thesis. 😋

                  Thanks for the update, Rob!
                  Tim Lincoln
                  My YouTube Channel

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                  • rsrandazzo
                    rsrandazzo commented
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                    Tim- If I ever start a post with "this is going to be a long one" then you'd best order a meal for delivery... - RSR

                  #14
                  Thanks for the update, Mr.R - keep hammering away at that 777.
                  Paul Kirkland

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                    #15
                    777 this summer right?... right?.... please?
                    Amir Khanevadegi

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                    • StachM
                      StachM commented
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                      How about 2023?

                    • Crabby
                      Crabby commented
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                      aseinsha Probably not. I would suspect they release the A220 first. That is the latest rumor going around. Let everyone know.

                    • KingKobraSLO
                      KingKobraSLO commented
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                      i dont expect it till end of an year

                    #16
                    Originally posted by LoneWolf View Post
                    Whats the progress on the dc-6 gps units?
                    I stopped flying the DC6 again, the last time it was for a year, because of the problems with the GPS and Gyropilot. I seriously doubt if it will ever be fixed.
                    Bob Cardone

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                    • rsrandazzo
                      rsrandazzo commented
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                      Bob- Reach out to support. We have a bead on what causes it for some users. You must have missed that discussion. The airplane is fine- it is local to your machine, which means it is solvable if you want it to be. - RSR

                    • bobsk8
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                      There are several users that are having the same issue with the GPS and Gyro PIlot. I put in a ticket weeks, ago, and the response I got is they can;'t see any problem. I find that really hard to understand, because the experience I and others are having, seem to be all the same. Toggling of the Gyro Pilot switch, the GPS LOC switch and the EFB 430 switch sometimes kicks it back into functioning, sometimes. I have reinstalled the DC6 twice, and still an issue. It's a shame, because it is a nice aircraft to fly.

                    • LoneWolf
                      LoneWolf commented
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                      rsrandazzo bobsk8 Would just like to say that i wasnt refering to the issues with the gyropilot, I was reffering to the gps units that we were told were comming back in december or january.

                    #17
                    Wonderful thankyou Robert for the update.
                    Danny Z.Cebis

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                      #18
                      So glad to see those fantastic news! Really hope the Marketplace Team will focus on that asap.
                      David D. - Flying on Xbox Series X - Creating MSFS Content on YT.

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                        #19
                        Really looking forward to flying the 737 on Xbox, hopefully it’s on the marketplace in the coming Weeks

                        Pete
                        Last edited by PeteInPerth; 30Apr2023, 06:17. Reason: Added more to my Reply

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                          #20
                          i look forward to B777

                          Regards Petter
                          Petter Storvik

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                            #21
                            Thank you so much Mr Randazzo. As a series s player myself before i heard about you guys moving the 737 to xbox i was so annoyed with the game having no decent airliners to fly or the ones we had being made poorly by bre3dok and not up to any good standard. This factor made me nearly spend £2,000 to get a pc just to be able to use the PMDG737. You guys announcing bringing the product to xbox has litrelly saved my wallet and also updates from su12 have made graphics and the xbox experience so much better. I am so happy and thankful for all your hard work, should we expect to see it this thursdays market place release or the next?

                            Johnny Foks

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                            • Tomcole
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                              I was like you mate torn between possibly buying a gaming PC for the 737 or a new TV.. - tom cole

                            #22
                            Robert,

                            As an Xbox player but long time MSFS fan (FS98!) I’m excited to pick up my first PMDG product. Glad to hear things are positive!

                            With regards to the pricing dilemma around the livery pack, I know there’s rules regarding offers, but what about bundling them with the aircraft itself? This is something Miltech did immediately with their V-22 and carrier packages from launch. I’ll happily pay full, but just thought it may be worth investigating if you were keen to try and bring some sort of parity with the pricing.
                            Last edited by RicMac024; 04May2023, 18:48.
                            Richard W Macdonald

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                              #23
                              Thanks for the update. Any news on the Max?.

                              Michael A. Jones

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                                #24
                                Hi! Since the delivery of the UFT is taking an insanely long time (from the initial announcement), and as I understand, the main problem is the communication of the UFT (Javascript) with the plane (C++/WASM), haven't you considered to release the UFT without the communication? That would mean, that there wouldn't be a flightplan import and changing of the plane's settings from the tablet, however, it would retain the performance calculations (which is the most important feature I'm waiting for) and Navigraph integration.

                                Because right now, if you want to have a proper performance calculator, the only good options are either TOPCAT, which doesn't include the -600 and -900 (there are some workarounds, but not perfect), or pay a relatively high price for the Virtual Performance Tool. Considering, that it's only a performance calculator (while I understand the insane work which goes into it), the price is unbearably high.
                                Jan Podlipsky

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                                • jrw4
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                                  Unless you know something that hasn't been announced, it appears from the website that the VPT only covers the -800, but none of the other versions. Totally agree on the price. I don't see any way that this product can take advantage of the potentially huge market accessible via the Marketplace and eventually Xbox at anything approaching that monthly fee.

                                • DarrianCZE
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                                  DDowns, that's not really true. You know your ZFW, you know your fuel amount, and you know your location. I see no issue with inputting this manually.

                                • Crabby
                                  Crabby commented
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                                  DarrianCZE this will be the concise and definitive reason what you are asking will not happen. PMDG does not half-ass things.

                                #25
                                Thanks for the intel Rob. Do you think we can expect the T7 this year or is this too ambishous?
                                Marvin Rudolf

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                                  #26
                                  one question, I didn't quite understand, but has the 737 already been sent to microsoft for release? and if the answer is no will we be notified when it happens? also, how much will it cost? I ask you to excuse me for my ignorance.
                                  Last edited by leonardo1; 30Apr2023, 21:42.
                                  Leonardo, appassionato di calcio e aviazione.

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                                  • Crabby
                                    Crabby commented
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                                    leonardo1 I speak Spanish and not Italian, but I am able to make out what you are asking for. I would suggest, being your first post, that you have a read of the rules of the forum that are at the top of the page.

                                  #27
                                  The PMDG Universal Flight Tablet (737):​ means we'll have different type of tablets to the aircrafts? My question is about to the "(737)" highlighted in text title.
                                  Pedro H. Gomes

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                                    #28
                                    Originally posted by pedrohenriquegs View Post
                                    The PMDG Universal Flight Tablet (737):​ means we'll have different type of tablets to the aircrafts? My question is about to the "(737)" highlighted in text title.
                                    As far as I know, they intend to add it to the 777 and 747, so I assume this is to clarify that they are talking about the 737.
                                    Captain Kevin

                                    Kevin Yang

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                                    • pedrohenriquegs
                                      pedrohenriquegs commented
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                                      Yes, they announced the as an Universal Tablet, was only a question why the highlight on 737 name to this post

                                    • Captain Kevin
                                      Captain Kevin commented
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                                      I guess to clarify that they were talking about the 737 and not the 777, which was also mentioned later in the post.

                                    #29
                                    Originally posted by rsrandazzo View Post
                                    Captains-

                                    I have a couple of informational items for you today to bring you up to speed on where various moving parts in the PMDG catalog are as of today. More so than at any time in PMDG history- we have a TON of stuff going on, so grab your flight kit and lets get going!

                                    PMDG 737 for MSFS (all versions):
                                    During the last two weeks, we have been refactoring some of the click-controls and animation logic in the 737 in order to more tightly conform to updated MSFS SDK standards that have evolved since development work on the 737 started in 2020. This has been a tricky process but overall yielded the results we wanted in that we were able to preserve all functionality on PC and extend identical functionality to Xbox. (There were some collisions in the first few rounds of Xbox testing that have now been resolved.)

                                    We have been further refining AFDS roll control logic, improving magenta line computations and continuing to prepare the airplane for the impending change in navdata sourcing from our existing format to the more modern and compete Navigraph database format that will get rolled into the airplane here in the near future.

                                    PMDG 737 for MSFS (PC):
                                    A new round of 737 updates is anticipated late next week with continued improvements as discussed above. These updates will come via the PMDG Operations Center for pmdg.com customers, and will eventually roll out for MS Marketplace customers probably the following week. (Note: MS Marketplace rollout timelines are hard to predict as w do not control them.)

                                    PMDG 737 for MSFS (Xbox):
                                    We are very happy with the 737 on Xbox and looking forward to it's release on the Xbox platform. We are currently holding off on clicking the "go!" button because we have not yet succeeded in gaining clarity on the release timeline for having the associated livery packages available in Marketplace for use by Xbox customers. We are using the DC-6 as a timeline gauge, and it seems that the livery package for the DC-6 is taking far longer to move through the release process than the airplane itself. We are trying to ascertain if this is because "we are doing it wrong" or because of other reasons- but either way we feel it is important to understand the process and timeline so that we can adequately inform and support our Xbox customers with accurate information before we drop the 737s into live status.

                                    We have an open query on the topic with the Marketplace team but we suspect they are insanely busy and will get back to us once they can.

                                    I also want to state again that our original concept had been to make the liveries available at no cost, but we had overlooked a long-published detail in the Marketplace agreement stating that the minimum pricing for an item in Marketplace is $4.99, and thus the livery packages for each product will come with that price tag. (Sorry for being wrong on this topic- the fault is mine. This was not the result of anything MS Marketplace changed or did... this was purely a mistake on my part!)

                                    PMDG Universal Flight Tablet (737):
                                    The tablet has made great strides over the past month with the dev team proving that our connectivity model works, is robust and ready for wide-scale testing. The major challenge that we have faced here is that C++/WASM projects have severe limitations on their ability to send/receive data between the C++/WASM project and the outside world- whereas Typescript projects are provided with a base of capabilities by the MSFS platform natively. This necessitated an entire development cycle to design/implement/adapt communications capability between the outside world->tablet->airplane that wasn't originally anticipated. The team working on this have now broken through the last series of blockers and are back to working on core content- which pleases them greatly. Morale has definitely improved with the latest round of internal testing.

                                    During our meeting this week I asked (As I do every week) "What is the progress looking like as far as a release timeline?" and I got an answer that did not involve instructions to contort myself in a manner that generally not considered practical for most adult humans. In fact, it is the first time since they began work on this piece of the puzzle that I received an answer that sounded truly positive- and that is great news!

                                    Initial release of the tablet will bring you a number of features, with a few more coming over time. Navigraph and simbrief users will be pleased by the care that has gone into ensuring a nice, tight weave between our technology and theirs. I am still not going to project a release timeline for this item, but once I get a green light to share a bit of this with you I will.


                                    PMDG DC-6 Cloudmaster for MSFS (all versions):
                                    We have been investing development time in the DC-6 with a specific focus to enabling some small changes in order to make the airplane more Xbox-user-friendly. Specifically this has meant adapting the shape/function of certain clickable surfaces in order to facilitate their use on the Xbox platform (the gust lock, for example) while also creating capability so that Xbox users can access the tablet functions using the easily identifiable methodologies.

                                    These changes are in testing and will be pushed to users via an update cycle that we hope will be finished late next week. Of course, since the Xbox update must come through Marketplace, that means we will likely see it land on your runway the following week? We are still learning how to manage the Marketplace testing cycle so please stay flexible and we'll keep you posted as things progress.

                                    PC users will see an update roll out late next week (we think) that will also incorporate these changes but most of them will be transparent to you since they are really targeted to Xbox users.

                                    PMDG 777 for MSFS (all versions):
                                    Work is progressing on this project, and we are really really happy with how things are going. There has been some dev-time bleed off as we continue to support the work needed for continued improvements on the 737, tablet development, Xbox testing and workout- but overall things are moving along and the pieces are finally coming together in a polished form. I do not anticipate showing you in-development shots until later. The reason for this is that we are leveraging much of what we learned during 737 development between 2020 and the present, and it is yielding some absolutely spectacular results and features that we know you will love. Rather than dribble them out in partial form, we want to show them to you as they are ready so as to preserve the "moment of ah!" that comes from seeing something new and exciting that incorporates ideas and changes that come from our work and your suggestions.

                                    We know you have lots of questions about this new product line- but we promise the wait and our silence will be paid off with great joy.

                                    Okay- I think that covers the update topics for the week. I need to get back to working on the 777 before anyone else notices that I am goofing off!

                                    I hope you are all enjoying your weekend,

                                    Hi Robert, how many liveries will come to the 737's?
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