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[21MAR23] Short but important NOTAM for all PMDG 737 MSFS users

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    [21MAR23] Short but important NOTAM for all PMDG 737 MSFS users

    Captains,

    Today we anticipate the arrival of Asobo's SU12 release for Microsoft Flight Simulator.

    We know for certain that a few changes to the 737 are required in order to preserve the user experience. We have prepped an update for the entire 737 fleet, and it is primed and ready for the testing team.

    We **do** need to get the final build of SU12 in our hands in ordre to validate it's fitness for purpose- and that will happen at the same time you all get the SU12 build.

    We recognize that a few of you may want to launch into SU12 immediately with the 737, and we just wanted to be sure that you knew there may be some lag between the launch of SU12 and the arrival of the update for the PMDG 737. This lag might be a few minutes, or it might be some hours, depending upon the results of our testing immediately after launch of SU12.

    We just wanted you all to know that we are on top of it, and your patience is appreciated.

    See you all once SU12 is in our hands.

    Robert S. Randazzo
    PMDG Simulations
    http://www.pmdg.com



    #2
    I'm always scared when Asobo releases a SU.. never know what yiure gonna get.. could be great and could be well.. putting the dev team to work.. either way inconsistent is the word I'm looking for.. hoping the team at Asobo keeps pushing forward to bettering the SU QAs
    Alex Kulak
    PMDG Studier and flyer

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      #3
      Is this related to some of the changes they've made to turbulence in SU12? I haven't tried the SU12 beta, but from what I've read these changes have reduced some of the lack of realism introduced in SU11. Is this true?

      Anyways, waiting a few hours for the 737 update isn't an issue.
      Tom Clarkson

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        #4
        I am currently on a cruise ship in the middle of the Caribbean. Feel free to take as much time as you need to validate SU12.
        Tim Lincoln
        My YouTube Channel

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        • Schmegg
          Schmegg commented
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          How magnanimous of you Tim. Hehe.

        • Want2BFlyin
          Want2BFlyin commented
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          Schmegg Well, since I can't update either MSFS or any of my PMDG products for at least another week, I obviously have no desire to get an update to the 737 immediately. PMDG can take their time and get it right (which they generally do anyway), and it won't bother me in the slightest. Now, if there is no update by the time I return home, then I might change my mind.

        • Schmegg
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          Haha.
          In any case, you'll be right - the updates came pretty much immediately - really good customer care by PMDG. :-)

        #5
        Excellent service as always! Hope this simupdate really improves the sim and the update works as it should! I mean pmdg´s!
        Last edited by LatamSimPilot; 21Mar2023, 18:27.

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          #6
          Well, I guess that answered my question in another thread.
          Jon Sleeper

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            #7
            Originally posted by Swaluver88 View Post
            I'm always scared when Asobo releases a SU..
            Well, it means you‘ll have to copy Robert‘s Notam into every second popping up topic.
            Ryzen 7 5800X3D, RTX4080, 32GB DDR4 RAM @3600MHz, 4k
            Marc Eland
            GFO Beta

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            • Swaluver88
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              😮‍💨😮‍💨😮‍💨 another day another dolla

            #8
            Thanks Robert. I presume that you have people enrolled in the SU12 beta so that you can do some testing in advance and that you are waiting for the actual release just to make sure that there aren't any final tweaks that invalidate your testing?
            John.
            John Callum

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              #9
              I’ve got all day take your time Robert
              Cameron Richards

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                #10
                It's a Tuesday, I've got spreadsheets I can look at...

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                  #11
                  There’s always more angst over a Sim Update than warranted. We have known for over a month what the biggest impact to the 737 will be, because it’s been there since the first afternoon of the first build: PMDG’s custom parking brake code is broken. Nothing much else has changed with regard to the 737s in any of the subsequent builds, and the last test beta build had almost no changes listed, except (interestingly) a PMDG-specific line item related to WASM development. Presumably RSR and his team already know what that entails.
                  Herb Schaltegger - Father, husband, lawyer, engineer & getting too old for this $#!t. Do Not Taunt Happy Fun Ball!TM.

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                  • PelicanEagle
                    PelicanEagle commented
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                    also under tow tug/airplane does not work correctly only straight out no left or right

                  • Falcon99
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                    Do you have all of the hydraulic pumps on?

                  #12
                  I have been using SU12 Beta since it was released, mostly flying the PMDG 738, apart from the parking brake problem, which I overcame by using PMDG's own pushback I have had "zero" problems. I installed the last beta update this morning and flew from Marseille to Stansted, it was faultless. I should add that I have over 200 addons in my community folder, none which have given any problems during the beta.
                  Mike Collins

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                    #13
                    Originally posted by rsrandazzo View Post
                    Captains,
                    We just wanted you all to know that we are on top of it, and your patience is appreciated.
                    Robert,
                    I am a bit concerned about your wordings and impressions made/given in the last weeks and months.
                    At one post/side, it feels that PMDG is almost sitting in Asobo's office working together as close as possible and on the other side, you post again excuses for bugs and problems on your products caused by a upcoming update.
                    Even the fact that Asobo is now more and more making new/upcoming updates public to test, should make it easier for you to adapt your products in time, isn't it?

                    Or at least as one of the top developers (Asobo brought recently a fix with just something related to PMDG), you should get the RC early enough. At least this is my understanding of coding and product release cycles. I simply cannot imagine that Asobo is not having a RC of SU12 ready for external developers at least 24hrs before public release, if not earlier?



                    Timm Rehberg
                    Twitch Stream | V1 Simulations Blog

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                    • Want2BFlyin
                      Want2BFlyin commented
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                      It seems like Asobo is handling updates to MSFS in somewhat the same manner that Apple handles new versions of its iPhones. Companies who make accessories for iPhones (cases, screen protectors, etc.) don't get any necessary information about the design of the new phone (size, placement of ports/buttons, etc.) until the day that it is released to the public. Asobo appears to be doing something similar here. The Betas help of course, but it sounds like PMDG (and presumably other developers) do not receive any advance access to release versions.

                    #14
                    Originally posted by xTiMm_ View Post
                    At least this is my understanding of coding and product release cycles. I simply cannot imagine that Asobo is not having a RC of SU12 ready for external developers at least 24hrs before public release, if not earlier?
                    Well Timm, then your understanding is wrong. Read again what Rob wrote.

                    We **do** need to get the final build of SU12 in our hands in ordre to validate it's fitness for purpose- and that will happen at the same time you all get the SU12 build.

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                      #15
                      I am here waiting to see what will happen we already know that sometimes we experienced undesired outcome after a mayor MSFS update, thank you Robert for this NOTAM, hopefully this SU12 will bring better rain effect and also op-WRX in the 737and other nuisances problems solved
                      Rolando Olmo

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                        #16
                        But why is it necessary to upgrade?
                        Marco Lancioni

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                          #17
                          Originally posted by MLancioni View Post
                          But why is it necessary to upgrade?
                          I'm not sure what you mean by "upgrade." There will be an update to MSFS, which will be required. An update to the 737s (and maybe the DC-6 as well), but those updates are not mandatory (but recommended).
                          Tim Lincoln
                          My YouTube Channel

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                            #18
                            Originally posted by MLancioni View Post
                            But why is it necessary to upgrade?
                            Because MSFS is a “live service” game, which means that everyone running it and connected to the same set of MSFS servers around the world needs to be running the same client sim software - or in the case of Sim Update beta builds - a limited subset of versions that can all be accounted for. Sim Updates change, improve and add a lot of core functionality, and they change the SDK which affects the functions and usability of add-ons like aircraft, airports and utilities.
                            Herb Schaltegger - Father, husband, lawyer, engineer & getting too old for this $#!t. Do Not Taunt Happy Fun Ball!TM.

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                              #19
                              Originally posted by Emi View Post

                              Well Timm, then your understanding is wrong. Read again what Rob wrote.
                              I read this and I ask myself how good actually the cooperation between Asobo and PMDG/3rd party devs/their biggest devs are because other developers informed their customers that their products work well with SU12.
                              + SU12 is in public beta since weeks/months. And from my experiences, Asobo wont add a bunch of new stuff into SU12 just before release.
                              Last edited by xTiMm_; 21Mar2023, 14:30.
                              Timm Rehberg
                              Twitch Stream | V1 Simulations Blog

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                              • moxiejeff
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                                What's the point of this argument, though? I don't mean to sound rude. They fixed it the minute it was released.

                              #20
                              I've been on the su12 beta and the only problem I have had with the PMDG is the parking brake issue which can be worked around a couple of different ways. I have a question about the parking brake system moving forward. Will "unrealistic" parking brake ever make a come back? If my memory serves me correctly it was an option in the FMC in the first couple of builds. It would be nice to have that option once again.
                              Last edited by ftan11; 21Mar2023, 14:28.
                              Freddy T.

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                                #21
                                Do we know how the dc-6 will behave?
                                I hope we get a note on this too 🙏
                                Burak ANLI
                                Interior Designer

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                                  #22
                                  Thank you.Robert.
                                  Tomas Zima Prague

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                                    #23
                                    Originally posted by ftan11 View Post
                                    I've been on the su12 beta and the only problem I have had with the PMDG is the parking brake issue which can be worked around a couple of different ways. I have a question about the parking brake system moving forward. Will "unrealistic" parking brake ever make a come back? If my memory serves me correctly it was an option in the FMC in the first couple of builds. It would be nice to have that option once again.
                                    It never was an option in the FMC. The parking brake will remain as it is, ie as it works in the real plane
                                    Chris Makris (Olympic260)
                                    PMDG Technical Support
                                    http://www.pmdg.com

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                                      #24
                                      Has the DC-6 been tested and found to be working normally in SU12?
                                      William "Bill" Williamson

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                                        #25
                                        SU12 is live, pulling it down now after starting MSFS. 11:11am EDT.
                                        V/r,
                                        Al Jordan | KCAE
                                        Simming Since: Sublogic - Flight Assignment: A.T.P.

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                                          #26
                                          In the meantime while waiting for the PMDG update, I’ll pop some popcorn, log-in to the forum and watch the show of total meltdown of people not reading this post prior to flying the 737 and then writing frustrated posts. I love sim update day lol.
                                          Carl Cobb

                                          Dell Dimension 4100 Tower Pentium III 1GHz 512MB NO/HDD

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                                            #27
                                            737 - 3.0.64 is out. And looks like there is not too much change from SU12 beta to release
                                            Morten Nor

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                                              #28
                                              Originally posted by xTiMm_ View Post

                                              I read this and I ask myself how good actually the cooperation between Asobo and PMDG/3rd party devs/their biggest devs are because other developers informed their customers that their products work well with SU12.
                                              + SU12 is in public beta since weeks/months. And from my experiences, Asobo wont add a bunch of new stuff into SU12 just before release.
                                              Please point me to a single developer who has “informed their customers that their products work well with SU12”.

                                              I wouldn’t know about your “experiences” but I’m in the public beta. We got an update to the beta yesterday afternoon.
                                              Thats a mere 24 hours before the public release of SU12.

                                              Arthur




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                                              • Ephedrin
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                                                and the only file that I saw being downloaded was named A310-something

                                              #29
                                              Originally posted by DrVenkman View Post

                                              Because MSFS is a “live service” game, which means that everyone running it and connected to the same set of MSFS servers around the world needs to be running the same client sim software - or in the case of Sim Update beta builds - a limited subset of versions that can all be accounted for. Sim Updates change, improve and add a lot of core functionality, and they change the SDK which affects the functions and usability of add-ons like aircraft, airports and utilities.
                                              Thanks Herb, improvements but also many new problems.

                                              Marco
                                              Marco Lancioni

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                                                #30
                                                Originally posted by MLancioni View Post

                                                Thanks Herb, improvements but also many new problems.

                                                Marco
                                                Sometimes yes, oftentimes not so much. It’s the nature of the beast. I’ve been flying this sim since the day it came out and all things considered, the 2-1/2 years so far have brought far more improvements than (permanent) problems.
                                                Herb Schaltegger - Father, husband, lawyer, engineer & getting too old for this $#!t. Do Not Taunt Happy Fun Ball!TM.

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