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    Upgrade from 10th Gen to 13th Gen Intel

    Hello all!

    Thinking about upgrading my PC in order to get smooth performance with MSFS.

    Current hardware:

    i7 10700K locked @4.9 constantly
    RX6900XT 16 GB
    32 GB RAM @ 3200

    I am playing @ 3440x1400 resolution. I used to have around 35-40 fps with ultra/high settings with PMDG in customs airports with FSLTL traffic (20% flying 20% static).
    Generally I am happy with that, but on short finals I am experiecing minor sttuters. Guess this is happening due to uploading of terrain/objects etc.

    Have 2 options for my budget:

    1). upgrade from 10700K to 13700K, changing MB and RAM accoringly, or
    2). ugrade from RX6900XT to RX7900XTX or RTX4080 only.

    What I am looking for is stable 40 fps in customs airport without stutters (which are extremely annoying).

    Anybody upgraded from 10th to 13th generation, is the gain worth trying? Or 10th gen Inter is still fine with MSFS?

    Thank you
    Last edited by DeemDeem; 10Mar2023, 13:26.

    #2
    Obviously your results may vary, but I recently went from an i9-10900k to an i9-13900k. At my home airport I usually sat around 45-55 fps which is great, but once I installed the new CPU I was sitting around ~70fps. As far as micro stutters, I never really experienced much in the way of them. I would say that more than likely you are CPU bound like the majority of people. The CPU/RAM/MOBO upgrade is a great idea if you've got a hole burning in your pocket!
    Mike Delaney

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      #3
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      As for your question, as Mike said, your results can vary, but allow me to show you what happened with me. Bear in mind I am still running P3D. I went from an i7-1-700K on a Z490 to an i9-13900K on a Z690. P3D settings are still the same, graphics cards and settings are still the same. Here's a before and after clip from two take-offs I did out of JFK, same runway, same scenery, same airplane.

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      • PelicanEagle
        PelicanEagle commented
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        what P3D? what is that LOL just K how is P3D performing? any update that looks MSFS like?

      #4
      Before you buy a new CPU, do some research to be sure that your current motherboard supports the new CPU. You don't want to spend money on a new CPU only to discover that it won't work with your motherboard. With my motherboard, the CPU that I have currently is the best that it will support. If I want to upgrade my CPU again in the future, I will need to get a new motherboard as well.

      Also, make sure that you have installed any BIOS updates that you may have missed before installing the new CPU. With my current CPU, I didn't realize that my BIOS needed to be updated before my motherboard would be able to make use of the new CPU, which resulted in me having to spend some unnecessary time troubleshooting why the new CPU wasn't working, then removing and replacing CPUs multiple times to get everything updated and working. Doing that work ahead of time will possibly save you frustration later.

      Edit: It looks like you are already aware of the need for a new motherboard. I'll leave this comment here for future readers who may not be aware of that.
      Last edited by Want2BFlyin; 10Mar2023, 15:08.
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        #5
        MSFS scales well with L3 Cache. I have a 10700k too at 5.1Ghz allcore. This CPU has 16MB L3 Cache, the 13700k has 30MB. What holds me back from upgrading is the fact that here in good old germany the mainboard prices are almost insane. An Asus Z790 Strix E- Gaming will cost you around 550€. My Maximus 12 was more than 100€ cheaper. RAM is pretty low in price these days but i will wait for the Intel 14th gen.
        Marvin Rudolf

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          #6
          Also consider a Rizen 7950 or 7800 series for cpu.
          George Morris

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            #7
            Originally posted by DeemDeem View Post
            Hello all!

            Thinking about upgrading my PC in order to get smooth performance with MSFS.

            Current hardware:

            i7 10700K locked @4.9 constantly
            RX6900XT 16 GB
            32 GB RAM @ 3200

            I am playing @ 3440x1400 resolution. I used to have around 35-40 fps with ultra/high settings with PMDG in customs airports with FSLTL traffic (20% flying 20% static).
            Generally I am happy with that, but on short finals I am experiecing minor sttuters. Guess this is happening due to uploading of terrain/objects etc.

            Have 2 options for my budget:

            1). upgrade from 10700K to 13700K, changing MB and RAM accoringly, or
            2). ugrade from RX6900XT to RX7900XTX or RTX4080 only.

            What I am looking for is stable 40 fps in customs airport without stutters (which are extremely annoying).

            Anybody upgraded from 10th to 13th generation, is the gain worth trying? Or 10th gen Inter is still fine with MSFS?

            Thank you
            If you are running at 3440x1400, then you will see far more improvement from upgrading your CPU over your GPU. Definitely go for option 1 first. The only reason to even consider a GPU upgrade would be if you're looking to 4K or VR. Ryan Lee


            Last edited by illuminous; 11Mar2023, 04:21.

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              #8
              I have
              i-9 10980xe
              32 gb ram
              Rtx 4090 FE
              And still gets lots of stuttering in places like klax
              Antônio Carvalho.
              Since FS98
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                #9
                The magic is in your display settings. I have a i7-10700K stock 5.1 GHz (why would you turn off the stock turbo boost??) with a RTX 3080 Ti and I run all day with frame rate locked at one have display refresh rate (30 fps frame rate) with TAA and NVidia Reflex+boost and I never have stutters or jitters. Most of my display settings are ULTRA. Something is wrong if you can't get smooth animation. I did have to back off OLOD a tad bit (but not much) after I installed DWD KEWR, none of other addon airports hit performance as much as that DWD stuff.
                Dan Downs KCRP
                i7-10700K 32GB 3600MHz 3080Ti

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                  #10
                  Dan, what is your resolution? I have pretty much same hardware (3080 instead of 3080ti), and i get bad stutters in most payware airports with fenix with 4k ultra. PMDG is better but also stutters at times
                  Jack Beloff

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                    #11
                    Originally posted by jack beloff View Post
                    Dan, what is your resolution? I have pretty much same hardware (3080 instead of 3080ti), and i get bad stutters in most payware airports with fenix with 4k ultra. PMDG is better but also stutters at times
                    I'm on a 42-in TV with native resolution of 3840x2160.
                    Dan Downs KCRP
                    i7-10700K 32GB 3600MHz 3080Ti

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                      #12
                      I have a Ryzen 7 7700X and 3080 Ti. In 4K with every setting at Ultra, I'm getting anywhere between 47-70 fps. On my Ryzen 5 3600, I used to get as low as 25 fps on the ground. A CPU upgrade will help tremendously on the ground. In the air, however, you will mostly be GPU limited.

                      You will still experience some stuttering, because that's the nature of the sim, unless you lock to 30 fps.
                      Tom Clarkson

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                        #13
                        Good morning !

                        Thanks so much for the answers.

                        So I pitch upon I7 13700K , new Mobo and DDR5 Ram. After I finish with the new system (hopefully within next weeks) I will share the results which I get.

                        Regards,

                        Dmitry Mironov


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                          #14
                          Hello, just curious have you considered at all the AMD 7900X3D? The 3D cache is what MSFS happily utilizes, something to consider.

                          Angelo Cosma

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                          • Want2BFlyin
                            Want2BFlyin commented
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                            And since it appears that a new motherboard is required for this CPU upgrade anyway...

                            As long as all of the other components in the computer are compatible with an AMD CPU. Don't want any additional surprises.

                          • Captain Kevin
                            Captain Kevin commented
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                            Yeah, RAM could potentially be an issue by going AMD if you were running Intel.

                          #15
                          I only suggested this as the OP mentioned he was going new mobo, new ram, new cpu. So from my POV he had the opportunity to align the hardware to this if he decided.

                          Angelo Cosma

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                            #16
                            Originally posted by Boeing 25-01 View Post
                            Hello, just curious have you considered at all the AMD 7900X3D? The 3D cache is what MSFS happily utilizes, something to consider.

                            https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/fr...24-80.png.webp
                            Good morning!

                            I have considered AMD 7 Series CPU, but I used to think that Intel is more friendly for gaming, espesially MSFS.

                            Long back ago I had rather dissapointing experience updating from Intel to Phenom II. Since then I never back to AMD CPU again.

                            Also, I have EK custom CPU luquid cooling inside my case, with size-defined tubes. And I hope very much that alignment and disposition of Intel cpu in new mobo will be more or less at the same place. So I don't need to cut new tubes).

                            Dmitry Mironov

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                              #17
                              Originally posted by DeemDeem View Post
                              Also, I have EK custom CPU luquid cooling inside my case, with size-defined tubes. And I hope very much that alignment and disposition of Intel cpu in new mobo will be more or less at the same place. So I don't need to cut new tubes).
                              Dmitry, you haven't said anything about what motherboard you were looking at. The i7-10700K is using an LGA1200 socket, whereas the new ones now are using an LGA1700 socket. This is going to give you a slight size difference for the CPU. Whether that affects the position of the CPU, I don't know.
                              Captain Kevin

                              Kevin Yang

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                                #18
                                Originally posted by Captain Kevin View Post
                                Dmitry, you haven't said anything about what motherboard you were looking at. The i7-10700K is using an LGA1200 socket, whereas the new ones now are using an LGA1700 socket. This is going to give you a slight size difference for the CPU. Whether that affects the position of the CPU, I don't know.
                                I decided to take ASUS ROG STRIX Z790-E GAMING. Read couple of reviews about it i guess it should be fine. The RAM is DDR5 32GB (2x16GB) 6000 MHz Beast Black Kingston .

                                Will try to make the best use of this config. I just curious if new CPU still need to be overclocked and locked at constant frequency, or just leave it at stock with turboboost active?

                                Dmitry Mironov

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                                • MJChernis
                                  MJChernis commented
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                                  I have this MB and have been very happy with it. Good move on the faster RAM.

                                #19
                                Originally posted by DeemDeem View Post
                                I just curious if new CPU still need to be overclocked and locked at constant frequency, or just leave it at stock with turboboost active?
                                I think you might be able to leave it as it is. For reference, I am using the i9-13900K and the Gigabyte Z690 Aorus Xtreme, so you've got a newer motherboard than I do. That said, I've never seen P3D V4 run as smooth as it does now, which is surprising, and I just left the CPU as it was.
                                Captain Kevin

                                Kevin Yang

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                                  #20
                                  Well I can give you first hand experience as I just plopped 2grand worth of 4090 coupled to a 9900 i9, and it did absolutely zilch nothing nada in terms of FPS in MSFS and XP. at native settings without DLSS whizardry. Main thread on CPU is all clogged up GPU is sitting there doing absolutely nothing waiting for CPU so now I'm going to plop another 1600 bucks for a new CPU MB and memory.
                                  Aleks Matrosov

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                                    #21
                                    Originally posted by matrosov View Post
                                    Well I can give you first hand experience as I just plopped 2grand worth of 4090 coupled to a 9900 i9, and it did absolutely zilch nothing nada in terms of FPS in MSFS and XP. at native settings without DLSS whizardry. Main thread on CPU is all clogged up GPU is sitting there doing absolutely nothing waiting for CPU so now I'm going to plop another 1600 bucks for a new CPU MB and memory.
                                    Are you sure you checked your settings?

                                    I just upgraded from a 3090 KINGPIN to a 4090 SUPRIM X, my CPU is an AMD 5900X and I went from 32-44fps in the NG at heavy 3rd party airports to around 90-103 FPS.

                                    This is with TAA mode even, which looks the best still.

                                    The key is you must be in DX12, and you must enable "Frame Generation" in the MSFS display settings. My resolution is an ultrawide 21:9 3840x1600.

                                    Amazing performance increase!!
                                    Angelo Cosma

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                                      #22
                                      Well DX12 there is some improvement but I wanted to keep experiment at default stable not beta levels. DX12 MSFS and all the nvidia wizardry on I go from 18-20 to stable 30ish as it seems to offload some work to GPU. You are also running an AMD CPU which is next gen over 9900 intel and it probably has some stuff going on there for gamin optimization that makes it faster. Xplane absolutely no performance increase. Here are my two screengrabs. They were at some easy airport on a ramp. in 737 30 fps without wizardry and 40 fps with one.

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                                      Last edited by matrosov; 14Mar2023, 22:02.
                                      Aleks Matrosov

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                                        #23
                                        Hello all.

                                        As promised, sharing the results of my upgrade.


                                        My previous setup:
                                        i7 10700K locked @4.9 constantly
                                        RX6900XT 16 GB
                                        32 GB RAM @ 3200
                                        I am playing @ 3440x1400 resolution​

                                        My current setup:
                                        i7 13700K (XMP 1 mode) some cores @ 5.4, some @ 5.3, some @ 5.2, some @ 5.1 etc... down to the 4.2
                                        RX6900XT 16 GB
                                        32 GB RAM DDR5 @ 6000
                                        3440x1400 resolution​


                                        My graphics settings are Ultra preset, excluding:
                                        LOD 130
                                        Objects LOD 100
                                        Trees : medium
                                        Depth of field: off
                                        Motion blur: off
                                        Lens correction: off
                                        Lens flare: off​

                                        My inSim traffic like vessels, cars, airport workers all set 25.

                                        My AddOns:
                                        PMDG 737-800
                                        FSLTL traffic: 30% static / 20% flying IFR with minimum injection radius.


                                        So, I have checked my performanse only at two airports with active FSLTL traffic:

                                        1. Drzewiecki Design EPKK Krakow. - @ gate 3 facing the Terminal, previously I got 55 fps with cold and dark PMDG 737-8. After start up and pushback with tail to the right I used to have around 42-45 fps.

                                        After upgrade, under the same conditions I got 75 and 53-55 accordingly.


                                        2. Aerosoft Berlin Brandenburg (BER) version 2 @ gate D16, previously I got 35 fps with cold and dark PMDG 737-8. After start up and pushback with tail to the right I got 24-27 fps.

                                        After upgrade, under the same conditions I got 65 and 43-45 accordingly.

                                        Just simple comparison in two sceneries. More I can tell after a couple of flights, especially to the heavy ORBX sceneries.

                                        Regards,

                                        Dmitry Mironov
                                        Last edited by DeemDeem; 03Apr2023, 14:05.

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                                          #24
                                          Originally posted by Captain Kevin View Post
                                          First, PMDG requires you to sign your posts with your first and last name, which you agreed to when you created an account here. Failure to do so can result in posts being removed without warning, which would make it difficult for us to help you if that happens. You can set up a signature to avoid forgetting by following the instructions here:

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                                          As for your question, as Mike said, your results can vary, but allow me to show you what happened with me. Bear in mind I am still running P3D. I went from an i7-1-700K on a Z490 to an i9-13900K on a Z690. P3D settings are still the same, graphics cards and settings are still the same. Here's a before and after clip from two take-offs I did out of JFK, same runway, same scenery, same airplane.

                                          Before:
                                          Twitch is the world's leading video platform and community for gamers.


                                          After:
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                                          Kevin, as you know I went from a 7700K to a 13900 cpu and a Titan X card, to a 4090 card. With P3D, I did not see any improvements as my old computer ran P3D perfectly. The old computer died with MSFS, The new one gets me graphics now that is unbelievable. Did you ever install MSFS yet. I know you are waiting from a long hauler. But the learning curve and addon scenery will set you back some time. So, I'd be on cutting edge now - so when PMDG releases their 777 in June (simply my guess) - you can jump right in.
                                          Paul Gugliotta
                                          13900K CPU - 4090 GPU

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                                            #25
                                            Originally posted by Paulyg123 View Post
                                            Kevin, as you know I went from a 7700K to a 13900 cpu and a Titan X card, to a 4090 card. With P3D, I did not see any improvements as my old computer ran P3D perfectly. The old computer died with MSFS, The new one gets me graphics now that is unbelievable. Did you ever install MSFS yet. I know you are waiting from a long hauler. But the learning curve and addon scenery will set you back some time. So, I'd be on cutting edge now - so when PMDG releases their 777 in June (simply my guess) - you can jump right in.
                                            Paul, although I do have MSFS installed, I don't really use it. As far as the 777, given that the credit I have doesn't expire until the end of 2024 and can now be used on any PMDG plane, I'm holding off on that for now. If the 747-400 is released by the time the credit is about to expire, I will buy the 747-400. If not, then I will get the 777, so the credit gets used. In any event, seeing as I don't really have a job anymore, I can't really be spending much money on scenery at the present time.
                                            Captain Kevin

                                            Kevin Yang

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                                              #26
                                              I just did a quick calculation and the 13th gen intel should be about 30 percent better than the 10th gen version. Again, just down and dirty math.
                                              Mark "Crabby" Crabtree AAL311 | PHL
                                              I7-9700KF | 2070 Super | Honeycomb Alpha/Bravo | MFG Crosswind

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                                                #27
                                                Currently planning a dedicated flight sim rig after seeing the performance of the Ryzen 7800X3D in MSFS. Some ridiculous numbers that chip provides, especially the 1% lows at 4K.

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                                                I'm just waiting for the new Samsung ultrawides to become available.
                                                Fahad Al Riyami
                                                PMDG 737-800 for MSFS, 737NGX, 737NGXu, 747 (+ -8), 777 (+ -300ER). MSFS-exclusive, Honeycomb Alpha & Bravo.

                                                PC: Ryzen 7900X3D, RTX 3090 FE, 64GB DDR5-6000.

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