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[22FEB23] NOTAM: PMDG 737 for Microsoft Flight Simulator and Unexpected/Unwanted Behaviors in MSFS Beta SU12

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    [22FEB23] NOTAM: PMDG 737 for Microsoft Flight Simulator and Unexpected/Unwanted Behaviors in MSFS Beta SU12

    Captains-

    The purpose of this NOTAM is to ensure that all PMDG 737 flight crew are aware that potentially unwanted and unexpected behaviors may be experienced by users who are participating in the Microsoft Flight Simulator Beta Channel.

    With the publication of the new SU12 beta, we have received numerous reports of previously working functionality that has ceased working properly or has begun to function intermittently.

    At this juncture, we are recommending that any PMDG 737 pilots who require stability and predictability in the 737 remain in the stable/release version of Microsoft Flight Simulator.
    Robert S. Randazzo
    PMDG Simulations
    http://www.pmdg.com



    #2
    Once again Asobo launches an update and breaks our aircraft, I'm glad I don't participate and will never participate in these beta programs, I leave it to suffer when I'm forced to update, thanks Robert for Notam.

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    • JasonMaley
      JasonMaley commented
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      It's a "beta" update. Sheez, take it easy.

    • eaim1973
      eaim1973 commented
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      I've been a part of most of the Beta's and indeed I was in the Alpha from very early in MSFS life. It's always been a choice whether to take part, so far I've given SU12 Beta a miss as I want a stable platform at this moment in time, later in the Beta I may join if stability improves, if not I'll wait until the full release. While I wait for updates from devs of the respective add ons. The choice is yours alone.

    • DarrianCZE
      DarrianCZE commented
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      You obviously have no idea what Beta is for. In case you require stability and functionality, you have no place in the Beta branch :-)

    #3
    Originally posted by rsrandazzo View Post
    At this juncture, we are recommending that any PMDG 737 pilots who require stability and predictability in the 737 remain in the stable/release version of Microsoft Flight Simulator.
    That really applies always.
    Greg N.
    Avionics Systems Software Engineer

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      #4
      Originally posted by Ernani Ferreira View Post
      Once again Asobo launches an update and breaks our aircraft, I'm glad I don't participate and will never participate in these beta programs, I leave it to suffer when I'm forced to update, thanks Robert for Notam.
      In a beta program that is kind of to be expected however. After all that's what betas are there for: Finding issues and being able to fix them before throwing the software out to the general public.

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        #5
        Originally posted by Ernani Ferreira View Post
        Once again Asobo launches an update and breaks our aircraft
        You might want to look up what beta test means.

        Regards, Lorenzo Davila

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          #6
          Originally posted by emorrissey
          this morning an update was forced into msfs and since then i am no longer able to engage the parking brakes in the PMDG 737-800 i have read many things to try in the forums but nothing works.. is this a known issue? above it says people have reported things that worked are no longer functioning.

          Ed
          You only would have gotten a “forced” update if you are enrolled in the beta test program. If you were a beta tester for SU11 and did not opt out of the beta program when SU11 was officially released, then you remain enrolled and automatically get the SU12 beta.

          Jim Barrett - KELM

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            #7
            Originally posted by emorrissey
            i didn't enroll in it, was enrolled in it by default upon installation.
            That really makes no sense. To be in the MSFS Beta program requires you to manually seek out and opt-in via the XBox Insiders App on your PC or set the Beta branch in Steam, totally separately from actually installing the sim. The SU12 Beta update didn’t even get released until yesterday late afternoon/early evening US time.
            Herb Schaltegger - Father, husband, lawyer, engineer & getting too old for this $#!t. Do Not Taunt Happy Fun Ball!TM.

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              #8
              I’m sad to see the 737 parking brakes are messed up, but with another (!) major free update to NO MAN’S SKY coming out today, and the long-awaited KERBAL SPACE PROGRAM 2 releasing Friday, I’m content to wait for a fix. There are a lot of fun planes to fly in MSFS while I wait, as well. Using helicopters to explore the thousands of POIs all over the world is a soothing way to park your brake frustrations.

              BTW, for space/rocketry enthusiasts, KSP is incredible. I’ve played the original for just a few weeks shy of 10 years now and have thousands of hours in it. Best gaming money ever spent.
              Herb Schaltegger - Father, husband, lawyer, engineer & getting too old for this $#!t. Do Not Taunt Happy Fun Ball!TM.

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              • amahran
                amahran commented
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                This is the spirit! Sure one thing may be broken, but there are so many sources of joy out there, in the flight sim world *and* elsewhere in the gaming community!

                This is a healthy mentality to have.

              #9
              For those of us who are participating in beta 12, just thinking out loud -- I couldn't even leave the gate since my parking brake wouldn't disengage -- but what if I change the load state to taxi? would that start w/ parking brake off? I know it's not a "fix" but just trying to fly in the beta.

              Jeff Soule

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              • Crabby
                Crabby commented
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                The default cold and dark already has the parking brake off and the chocks set. The brake is set as part of the safety flow. However, if you don't set it you can do everything you want and just release the chocks before push back.

              #10
              Originally posted by emorrissey
              i didn't enroll in it, was enrolled in it by default upon installation. i have opted out now and will wait for the fix to come out. Until then the 738 is back in the hangar
              If you have opted out you can fly the 737 normally. No need to keep it in the hanger.
              John
              John Callum

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                #11
                Hence why I have never taken in a SU beta...Im already limited on time to fly due to personal life don't have time to be screwing with a SU beta when all I want to do is fly with the time I have
                Alex Kulak
                PMDG Studier and flyer

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                  #12
                  I'm back on 1.30.12.0 and parking brake works again I left the beta immediatly.
                  Regards from Cologne,
                  Tobias Kroll

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                    #13
                    From Cold and dark, parking brake isn't engaged. I made a fly without issue (except than I can't engage parking brake). I can deal with that.

                    J.Holden
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                      #14
                      Whilst I would never want to mess up my 737 flying experience by opting into the beta channel, I applaud all those heroes here who do, because without you guys and gals taking the pain now, we would all be suffering down the road. MSFS is becoming better for all of us because of your unselfish help to further stability and new features. I take my hat off to you.
                      Eddie Zetlein, Surrey.

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                      • moxiejeff
                        moxiejeff commented
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                        Exactly. THANK YOU for getting it. some of the hate people bring when a beta breaks something that impacts PMDG is just beyond my comprehension. Most of us know that a beta will have bugs, hence why it's important for people to participate in them.

                      #15
                      While the parking brake thing stinks (especially for the PMDG team), there are lots of nice little things in this release. At least on my system, load/checking for update times are faster, the AI aircraft and weather seem more realistic, performance is seemingly the same, and there a lot of little fit and finish fixes. No major new features but I'm good with the cleanup.
                      Mark Chernis

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                        #16
                        I have just the opposite issue with the Beta and the parking brake. I can't get it to engage. Not a big deal, but part of life being a Beta tester. Prior to retirement my co-workers always referred to me as "Beta Bill" as I'll always jump into one. I just make sure I always have a good backup of my system and that critical files are stored on my NAS and in the cloud so that if something major screws up I can recover.
                        --Bill Leeman

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                        • PositiveZero
                          PositiveZero commented
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                          Same; I just image the disk before installing the beta. If I decide to leave the beta, then I leave the beta and restore the disk image.

                        #17
                        I have intermittent parking brakes release problem since PMDG .62 version. Never opted for Beta MSFS.
                        Just try to engage and disengage brakes several times and you'll be able to disengage them.

                        BTW to all of you on that Beta 12. How about the new turbulence pacifier option? Does it work well for PMDG 737? No more rodeo jumps during cruse and descent?
                        Last edited by Thailover; 22Feb2023, 22:26.
                        Sincerely yours

                        Clifford Sherman
                        Habitual Grousing / Spreading of Unhappiness

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                        • PositiveZero
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                          The biggest improvement I have seen by setting Turbulence to Low, is the smoothing of the winds - there are no rapid fluctuations (ie. plus or minus 10kts every 100ms) of the winds aloft speed. This, in my opinion, is a big improvement, as the fluctuations give the autopilot a lot of problems. It would be nice if they separated wind-smoothing from turbulence-smoothing so that you could still have some turbulence - on Low there does not seem to be any.
                          Last edited by PositiveZero; 23Feb2023, 00:39.

                        • moxiejeff
                          moxiejeff commented
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                          Thanks for the info. Was curious how turbulence slider would be effective (or not). At least the option is there for those who couldn’t stand the turbulence.

                        • bobsk8
                          bobsk8 commented
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                          I guess they will call moving the slider to minimum,"The On Rails Mode".

                        #18
                        Imagine thinking that updates and betas to test them are bad things.

                        The more I see, and the more I believe that nearly two decades stuck in an insular ultra-niche dealing with first-party developers that were incapable or unwilling to improve their simulators at any reasonable pace have given some simmers really weird ideas about what's good and what's bad.
                        Last edited by Abriael; 22Feb2023, 23:20.
                        Giuseppe Nelva

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                        • Crabby
                          Crabby commented
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                          I think you dropped your Pokemon card.

                        #19
                        There are some minor problems still with the 737 public release. I ignore most of them thinking that next SU will make it more enjoyable so if SU12 is making other problems for Beta tester there isn't consistence with Asobo trying to making the sim better; Thanks Robert for this info noted.
                        Rolando Olmo

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                          #20
                          Originally posted by Abriael View Post
                          Imagine thinking that updates and betas to test them are bad things.

                          The more I see, and the more I believe that nearly two decades stuck in an insular ultra-niche dealing with first-party developers that were incapable or unwilling to improve their simulators at any reasonable pace have given some simmers really weird ideas about what's good and what's bad.
                          There are enough testers active in the beta willing to do what it's meant for so those who actually want to be an end-user can do that as well... It's a deliberate choice to make after all. Since MS threw out a basically untested program the open beta effort was the only right thing to do. There was basically no damage done as if they had released a thoroughly tested sim (by whoever that might have been) it would have been released much later anyway... so.. good, bad... We have something to play with and they didn't leave it in the release state. That's what counts.
                          Last edited by Ephedrin; 23Feb2023, 00:35.
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                            #21
                            I think all those unshaven pistachio smoothie guys have no idea about real aviation. 🤬 (The Asobo developers)
                            Sincerely yours

                            Clifford Sherman
                            Habitual Grousing / Spreading of Unhappiness

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                              #22
                              Is this beta going to be a public update tomorrow? I keep hearing about a World Update 12 tomorrow or something to that effect.

                              Brittany Sventon

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                                #23
                                Originally posted by brittanyp View Post
                                Is this beta going to be a public update tomorrow? I keep hearing about a World Update 12 tomorrow or something to that effect.
                                No it's the World Update 12 New Zealand scheduled for tomorrow. SU 12 (Sim Update) scheduled for March 21.
                                Sincerely yours

                                Clifford Sherman
                                Habitual Grousing / Spreading of Unhappiness

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                                  #24
                                  Originally posted by brittanyp View Post
                                  Is this beta going to be a public update tomorrow? I keep hearing about a World Update 12 tomorrow or something to that effect.
                                  There will be a different update for World Update 12, which is the new photogrammetry and detailed POI models, discovery flights, bush trips, etc. pertaining to New Zealand.

                                  That is totally different and separate from Sim Update 12, the first Beta of which was dropped yesterday. Everyone on the non-Beta mainline release will get a small base update that doesn't change much at all but allows the World Update 12 content to become live on the Marketplace and visible in the sim.

                                  EDIT: By the way, there was a glitch initially in the SU12 Beta that made the World Update contents visible (to me, at least) in my Content Manager view in the "Not Installed" category. So of course I installed it all, then reported the glitch to the MSFS Forums, whereupon Jayne (one of the MSFS Community Managers) said she'd notified the team and that content was hidden.

                                  Hobbiton is cute.
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                                    #25
                                    Gents-

                                    A quick reminder that there is no need to lecture anyone who chooses to be on the beta stream. The beta stream does serve a purpose and provides valuable feedback. We put this notam up in order to be certain that those who might not have broader experience with beta channels will have the information they need to make a good decision for their own simming enjoyment.

                                    A few posts higher up in this thread seemed a bit "lecturing" and there really is no need for that tonality in this case.

                                    Thanks for your understanding.

                                    Robert S. Randazzo
                                    PMDG Simulations
                                    http://www.pmdg.com


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                                    • emorrissey
                                      emorrissey commented
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                                      Thank you for saying this Sir

                                    #26
                                    Quite amusing to me to read all of this language of "forcing" and "breaking". People are generally aware of the opt-in character and the nature of beta versions, right? MSFS has already made significant improvements since its first release and I certainly hope Asobo can keep it going this way for the next few years to come. As always I am also grateful to the host of developers in this ecosystem that stay on top of their products and do the hard work to repair and improve them.
                                    P.J. Struiving (EHGG)

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                                      #27
                                      Ah, the consequences of progress. Genuinely love to see it.

                                      SU12 will bring great things. Really looking forward to the final release!
                                      Fahad Al Riyami
                                      PMDG 737-800 for MSFS, 737NGX, 737NGXu, 747 (+ -8), 777 (+ -300ER). MSFS-exclusive, Honeycomb Alpha & Bravo.

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                                        #28
                                        Would it be wise to pin this topic as well to the 737 for MSFS forum? There are legions of duplicate topics there concerning this issue recently. I'd assume users don't look at the "General Discussion" forum first because they're looking for help specifically with the 737.
                                        - Asa Graf

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                                          #29
                                          Originally posted by Acegard View Post
                                          Would it be wise to pin this topic as well to the 737 for MSFS forum? There are legions of duplicate topics there concerning this issue recently. I'd assume users don't look at the "General Discussion" forum first because they're looking for help specifically with the 737.
                                          No worries, it doesn‘t matter. They don‘t look at it anyway, regardless the effort 🤣
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                                            #30
                                            Originally posted by Acegard View Post
                                            Would it be wise to pin this topic as well to the 737 for MSFS forum? There are legions of duplicate topics there concerning this issue recently. I'd assume users don't look at the "General Discussion" forum first because they're looking for help specifically with the 737.
                                            There’s a thread in the Beta forums for Third-Party Products. They specifically state the devs don’t monitor it, but it is there for users to discuss impacts and potential work-arounds.
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