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    [24DEC22] PMDG 737 for MSFS - full product line updates just in time for Christmas!

    Captains,

    PMDG 737 for MSFS Updated to 3.00.0053:
    A few hours ago we launched a series of updates that cover the entire PMDG 737-600, PMDG 737-700 and PMDG 737-800 product line for Microsoft Flight Simulator.

    These updates are available via the PMDG Operations Center, and once installed will bring you up to version 3.00.0053.

    Our goal with this update cycle is continue bringing increased quality and performance to the product, while also continuing the correction of small issues.

    Some of the general improvements that are included in these builds:
    • Continued improvements in native aircraft stability and prevention of disturbance from flight by the simulator's overly exaggerated gust/vertical sheer model.
    • Added computationally derived stall AOA models for all wing configuration conditions to all three body types. This is an enormous workflow that has been underway for many months and involves advanced computational methods to move beyond the simulation platform's "one wing model" model in favor of a more realistic and dynamic model that accounts for changes in the shape and capabilities of the wing brought about by slat/flap position changes. The model also accounts for condition/operation of the wing and nacelle anti-ice systems, including partial operation and sub-component failure modes that affect AOA computation and display.
    • Rebuilt the cockpit/cabin collision models so as to unlock the ability to transition from cockpit to cabin using view position changing native to the simulator. Note: Cockpit door functionality will come in a future update that brings broader changes and improvements to the cabin area. For now simply walk right through it to move between the cabin and cockpit.
    • Expanded and improved soundscape in the cabin area. Note: this is a work-in-progress and that will continue to grow and change during future update cycles.
    • Re-enablement of the EFIS/MAP display configuration that was initially used by carriers such as Continental and Southwest, but later discontinued in favor of the more common PFD/ND. (We had disabled this feature due to drawing problems at the simulator's core rendering layer for glass displays. This was fixed with SU10 but we forgot to re-enable EFIS/MAP until this update.)
    From our tracking system, we also have the following changes:

    0011892: [General - Flight Model] Extensively revised stall speed/low speed buffet model for clean and flaps (emvaos)
    0012163: [External Model - Liveries] Fuse Details (jbrown)
    0012164: [External Model - Liveries] Fuse Details (jbrown)
    0012140: [External Model - Geometry] Snow is falling inside the cabin (jbrown)
    0012158: [External Model - Geometry] Hole in aft cargo compartment (jbrown)
    0012139: [Virtual Cockpit - Geometry/Textures] VC small adkustments are needed. (vscimone)
    0012157: [Virtual Cockpit - Geometry/Textures] Hole in cockpit (vscimone)
    0012149: [External Model - Geometry] Jetway docking point alignment needs to be adjusted (jbrown)
    0012128: [External Model - Geometry] 737-600 Right Aileron issue (jbrown)
    0012068: [Virtual Cockpit - Geometry/Textures] Capt Glareshield gap (vscimone)
    0012104: [External Model - Geometry] Cabin light leak (jbrown)
    0012120: [External Model - Liveries] Mirrored nose cone texture glitch (jbrown)
    0012093: [External Model - Geometry] Artifact on wing when in air. (jbrown)
    0012090: [External Model - Geometry] Passenger windows on the 600 tinted when in the cabin (jbrown)


    There are still a number of areas where continued improvement is taking place, but we wanted to bring you this update series now, before the Christmas/New Year holiday week so as to give you the very latest changes to the stability model based upon our continued and ongoing discussions with Asobo.


    PMDG 737-900 Testing Progressing Well:
    Testing for the PMDG 737-900 is progressing mostly well. We still have a few areas we want to get cleaned up before it is released to you. These have to do with equipment that is uniquely original to the 900ER and it is taking us a bit longer to complete than originally planned. (see discussion on complexity and degrees of freedom, below.) We feel that the 900 is *very* close, but will likely need a few more rounds with the testing team before we sign off on initial deliveries to customers.

    PMDG Universal Flight Tablet (737):
    Work continues on this device although we keep stealing development resources from the tablet team in order to deal with other issues scattered around a few product lines- so it is going much more slowly than we thought. Some functionality is now finished and ready for operation, but other functionality isn't- so we are considering installing it into the airplane with some of the unfinished bits only active for our beta teams who are testing this functionality on our behalf. The build-out of the tablet is made a bit more complicated by the fact that we are working forward to ensure it is day-one compatible with all iterations on the 737NG/MAX series, the 777 and 747 product lines. Functions that may be perfectly good in the 737 need to be expanded and vetted against functions that are similar but slightly different for the other fleet types- and all of it simply takes a bit of time.

    The nice piece of this is that we are building a single, universal technology framework that will support the entire fleet of PMDG aircraft going forward.

    I recognize that some users are quite frustrated by the fact that we are taking our time with this device, and for that I am sorry. There have been a few moments where I wish we'd left the clunky old Boeing EFB in place as it was functional in spite of being very basic and clunky- but when using the tablet in our testing environment right now I actually quite happy we decided to make the change. It offers far greater capability than the Boeing Brick and will be well worth the wait once finished.

    We so rarely offer timeline guidance on development cycles- and you can see why. Sometimes it is necessary to shuffle priorities around in a pinch, and when you are a small development house- that can slow down some projects as you keep others moving.

    We are nearly to letting you at it. We'll roll it into an update for you soon enough, and then it'll be day one in the 777 for certain!

    PMDG DC-6 Cloudmaster Update Pending:
    A few weeks back we released an update to the PMDG DC-6 that dramatically improved the airplane for some users, and dramatically unimproved the airplane for others. The DC-6 team has been hard at work researching/evaluating/developing through these teething issues and a new update is pending soon. We are unfortunately a bit tied to the avionics update that Asobo has pending for the simulation platform. Some of the improvements/changes to the DC-6 require an update that is not yet available to customers flying MSFS- so we are waiting for that update to drop before we release the next round of improvements for the DC-6. WIth this update you will have a greater range of GPS options available to you in the cockpit, as well as an improved trim and flight characteristic model and updates to make the autopilot more (possibly unrealistically) stable when tracking a course or an approach.)

    Other PMDG Aircraft:
    We have quite a bit going on behind the scenes right now- but we aren't planning to show it to you until the 900 and the UFT are in your hands... just a bit longer and we can start talking about what is coming.

    Complexity and Degrees of Freedom:
    Some folks have expressed degrees of concern about the slower than planned delivery of the 900 and the UFT. We are aware of the concerns and certainly can appreciate your eagerness to have the 900 product and the enhancement that is provided by the Universal Flight Tablet. We currently have four products on-market, one in final testing and another in internal testing. In addition to these six products, we have UFT as a seventh "project" and then an additional degree of freedom in that half of our team is always working on the current retail version of MSFS and the other half is working on the Asobo beta channel so that we can keep up with platform changes that are pending in order to ensure minimum disruption to our customers as core changes are implemented in the simulation platform. This means we are effectively working with 14 different projects simultaneously at times- and things can get hectic quickly because we have to keep "beta-only changes and improvements in their own lane until the platform updates, making it safe to roll those changes to you. Likewise, we have to be sure we don't break something due to pending changes that weren't thought through on our end. It can get frighteningly complex at times.

    On a few occasions since late summer, we have had to halt progress on new releases in order to update already released products so that they remain in sync with the changes being made to the core MSFS platform. Over the past few months this has meant lengthy dev cycles into autoflight improvements, stability, etc- all of which take a significant amount of manpower and time.

    This occasional distraction is not a bad thing, because it indicates that the platform itself is dynamic and changing. It simply means we have to pay attention and keep products updated with changes to ensure their long term viability on the platform. This will happen occasionally as MSFS continues to grow and mature- and ultimately it isn't terribly disruptive so long as we have a plan and procedures in place to keep your products flying well in concert with changes and improvements to the platform. It takes work- but we think you will agree that it is worthwhile.


    Okay- enough from me tonight- i'm going to get back to work on the 900 before someone steals my crew-meal from the test airplane.

    Thank you for your support and on behalf of all of us at PMDG we wish you a Happy Christmas season.



    Robert S. Randazzo
    PMDG Simulations
    http://www.pmdg.com



    #2
    Thank you Mr. Randazzo... Merry Christmas to you and your family!
    Last edited by Pablo Vazquez; 24Dec2022, 03:54.
    Pablo Vazquez
    Flight Attendant for a major US airline

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      #3
      The Global Flight Operation is still planned, is tied with EFB for MSFS ?

      Marry Christmas Robert !

      Sebastien Marleau

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        #4
        Internal testing... MAX?? Or am I forgetting something?
        Jordan Warner
        i7-9700k @ 4.9 GHz, RTX 3070, Corsair 32 Gb Ram 3200 Mhz

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        • rsrandazzo
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          Jordan- You are forgetting plenty. - RSR

        • ThomasALW
          ThomasALW commented
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          I'm personally hoping it's the 777 - though I could well be wrong

        • JWarner32
          JWarner32 commented
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          Right!!!! I have covid and had a decent amount of benadryl in my body doing a little dance that made me forget about the 777 LOL! Thanks, RSR and Thomas

        #5
        THANK YOU CAPTAIN RANDAZZO!!! This is beautiful. Beautiful. Merry Christmas to the PMDG family and all PMDG flightcrew
        Thomas Allensworth,
        KCRQ
        Carlsbad
        Cessna 414AW and PMDG enjoyer

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          #6
          Merry Merry PMDG team, have a great Holiday!
          Jeff Hendershot

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            #7
            Thanks! The PMDG 737-800 and 737-700 are my favorite aircraft in the sim. Merry Christmas!
            Tim Wells

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              #8
              Thanks for the update!! Happy Holidays to you and your team. I appreciate all the work you guys put into your products.
              Kurt Zimmermann

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                #9
                Personally, I like the "Other PMDG Aircraft" section
                Mark Guinto
                KSAN KNKX 🛫

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                  #10
                  Merry Christmas to all PMDG team. I know I've brought this up before, but hopefully we can see some exterior animation fluidity improvements
                  Alshir. A

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                    #11
                    Thank you for your update! In recent months, I submitted several BUGs about the PMDG737 for MSFS product line to PMDG through "customer support", but at present, many BUGs have not been resolved or responded, some of which are very easy to resolve or directly related to product quality, such as errors in the test image of terrain display or cockpit lighting errors. How can I follow up or know the progress of problem correction?
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                    HAO ZUO
                    i9 9900K 5.0 | ROG-RTX3080TI-O12G-GAMING | Trident Z Royal c18 3600 8G *4 | Inter 760P 1TB M.2(NVMe) *2

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                    • EasternT3
                      EasternT3 commented
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                      I really want to know what these fixes are now and 'easy' they actually are

                    • 736279662
                      736279662 commented
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                      EasternT3 ,Why not do a GPWS test on NG3 and compare it with the NGX released nearly 10 years ago? Ha! It was easy 10 years ago, but now it is difficult?
                      I understand the work plan and efforts of PMDG.
                      I just don't understand what you're talking about. I have submitted many tickets, each ticket contains multiple items, so I suggest that you do not speak freely until you know the facts, because what you imagine is not necessarily correct. Keep modest, right?

                    • EasternT3
                      EasternT3 commented
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                      Hao, I was only asking what fixes you’ve suggested, no need to get defensive about it

                    #12
                    Originally posted by 736279662 View Post
                    Thank you for your update! In recent months, I submitted several BUGs about the PMDG737 for MSFS product line to PMDG through "customer support", but at present, many BUGs have not been resolved or responded, some of which are very easy to resolve or directly related to product quality, such as errors in the test image of terrain display or cockpit lighting errors. How can I follow up or know the progress of problem correction?
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                    If you see the release notes to have your reported bug then it is solved otherwise sis still open

                    Also something that looks “easy” to fix does not mean that it is as well
                    Chris Makris (Olympic260)
                    PMDG Technical Support
                    http://www.pmdg.com

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                      #13
                      Robert it’s good to hear from you after the long period of silence I’d like to remind you to put down the keyboard and thrust levers and enjoy your holiday
                      Cameron Richards

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                      • rsrandazzo
                        rsrandazzo commented
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                        Cameron- Thanks! I bet the dev team wishes they weren't hearing from me so much. LOL We're having fun here. - RSR

                      #14
                      Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to the entire team. Thank you for the update and as a Citation pilot in the real world the 737-700 and -800 are the best additions to the sim I've ever flown. Patiently waiting for the 777.

                      Now as far as your crew meal you better go get it. Ours never even made it to the FBO today.

                      Fly safe,

                      Neal Antemann
                      CE-680AS

                      Sim needs a good Global Express, Falcon 7X or Gulfstream product. Ya know when you guys run out of things to do...

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                      • rsrandazzo
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                        Neal- I'm a dassault guy myself. Any of the three engine dassault birds would do- but i'm pretty partial to the classic 50/900 series. :-) -RSR

                      • Want2BFlyin
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                        I THINK there was a big dustup with Gulfstream a while back where they sent Cease and Desist notices to pretty much everyone who was offering a model of one of their business jets for a flight simulator. I don't know if they are still averse to anyone making one of their aircraft for use in a flight simulator, but I will be surprised if a good one ever does come out.

                      • rsrandazzo
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                        We came very close to doing a business deal with Gulfstream a number of years back. The experience was informative, to say the least. It reconfirmed my theory that wherever you place large groups of lawyers into decision making positions within an industrial company, you lose the plot right quickly. I have managed to steer a half dozen potential gulfstream buyers to other, better manufacturers as a result of the experience. If i won the lottery tomorrow, I wouldn't buy a gulfstream airplane if the alternative were to walk. But other than that- they seemed pretty nice. :-p - RSR

                      #15
                      I'd be just fine with a PMDG introduction to a Classic! Always wanted to fly a Falcon.

                      Neal Antemann
                      CE-680AS

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                        #16
                        Just in time to break my 737’s for christmas! There all un-flyable now. In the cockpit alls i see is a rudimentary fuzzy picture of a cockpit! I dont know what your update did but this is unacceptable!

                        Signed,
                        Paul Kos
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                        Last edited by Moloch_IC; 24Dec2022, 09:48.

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                        • Want2BFlyin
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                          Yep, I was going to say that we usually see at least one post about this every update, and it is almost always caused by that co-pilot mod.

                        • rsrandazzo
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                          Paul- I hope once you sort out which of the various extra addons you have have installed that modified your 737 and thus caused this issue- you'll come back here and post about it so that others can learn from your experience. We won't even ask that you apologize- even though you heaped blame on us for something the isn't our fault. :-) - RSR

                        • Mad_X
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                          Disable the virtual copilot mod. Every PMDG update breaks it, whatever PMDg changes idk, then it will work again. Sadly we wont getting pilot from PMDG it seems

                        #17
                        Thanks Robert for the update, any clue if there are plans to add some new functionality to the 737 series? Like RTE 2, MMR etc? Those are native on the max series.. can we expect them on the NG3?
                        -Valerio Nobiloni

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                        • BAIRES
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                          And a wiper... that wipes....

                        • rsrandazzo
                          rsrandazzo commented
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                          Valerio- we have a very long list of features in development and in planning. We tend not to share them because the act of even acknowledging them then becomes a baton that gets swung at us for not delivering quickly enough. I hope you understand. :-) - RSR

                        #18
                        Originally posted by Moloch_IC View Post
                        Just in time to break my 737’s for christmas! There all un-flyable now. In the cockpit alls i see is a rudimentary fuzzy picture of a cockpit! I dont know what your update did but this is unacceptable!
                        Maybe you should do complete reinstall. I did two flights after updating and I have no problems. So update works fine!!!

                        thanks RSR and merry x-mas!
                        Regards from Cologne,
                        Tobias Kroll

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                          #19
                          Thanks the update Rob! Wishing you, the team and your families a happy holiday!
                          Rob Crawshaw
                          📺 Flight Sim Content Creator | youtube.com/bobbyfuzzy

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                          • rsrandazzo
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                            Thanks, Rob- same to you! - RSR

                          #20
                          Originally posted by Moloch_IC View Post
                          Just in time to break my 737’s for christmas! There all un-flyable now. In the cockpit alls i see is a rudimentary fuzzy picture of a cockpit! I dont know what your update did but this is unacceptable!
                          Nameless. If you see a fuzzy picture then 99.9999% you are using the 3rd party copilot modification. Remove it and you ll be all set.
                          Chris Makris (Olympic260)
                          PMDG Technical Support
                          http://www.pmdg.com

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                            #21
                            Merry christmas PMDG and everyone else and thanks for the dedicated and engaged work that late in such a depressing year. Happy holidays and a good whiskey when the time is right ^^
                            Ryzen 7 5800X3D, RTX4080, 32GB DDR4 RAM @3600MHz, 4k
                            Marc Eland
                            GFO Beta

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                            • rsrandazzo
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                              Marc- Thank you, mate. Happy Christmas to you as well. I have a very nice bottle of 12yo Yamazaki that was given to me by one of my guests aboard the airplane a few months ago. I have been saving it for the holidays. Stop by and I might share. (no promises, tho...) - RSR

                            • Ephedrin
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                              Rob, I had always thought I wouldn't like Whiskey. When my brother got married in summer we did a Whiskey tasting for his stag party and I noticed that I just had drunk it wrong all the time. We had some really premium whiskeys that night, far beyond my usual budget, but now I'm fallen for them lol. Lucky you the pond seperates us quite a bit :P

                            #22
                            Rob, thanks for the update, it was overdue and I can tell you one thing... Passion for aviation and its simulation was never a thing I have ever doubted with you and the team. I have been trying to keep the hounds at bay since my recent return to flight simulation... I can relate to all the challenges as I have been through a separation with a long-term partner, followed by the loss of my grandmother (at 95 years old, but... the longer we have them, the more it hurts), and finally my cancer diagnosis and treatment (thankfully early caught and after surgery things look well)... It's been a LOT. A whole bucket of stupid. But the great news is... I am now back to my passion of aviation. After my exodus, the 737-800 was my first purchase. I have done most flights with it since. I am looking forward to getting the others but the DC-6 gyro issue was a heartbreak. I loved that bird. I have flown procedures with my grandma watching and now that she is gone, it's hurting that I can't fly it for a while. That brings the message - what you guys do resontates on so many levels beyond what is commonly perceived. Like I said, PMDG had a direct influence on my relationship with grandma...who would have thought? She has been gone since Oct 24th and here I am, still flying PMDG. Thank you for that. I am looking forward to everything you have coming, but PLEASE, fix our DC-6... It's THAT important to me personally. She loved it. I miss her and flying it. Clear skies to you, Captain,


                            Jeremy Smirnov

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                            • rsrandazzo
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                              Jeremy- I am wishing a better 2023 for you. On our end we promise to bring quite a bit of fun. Stick around and we'll be happy to have you here. - RSR

                            • BostonJeremy77
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                              Thank you, Rob! I will be around. Looking forward to installing the new 737 update when I get home after work tonight.

                            #23
                            Thanks for the update Robert, looking forward to seeing what 2023 brings from the PMDG team! Wish you all, and your families a fantastic Christmas and New Year!


                            Luke Carter | Flight Simulator Content Creator - British Avgeek
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                              #24
                              Thanks for the updates rsrandazzo. I fiddle around with some macro's for a small panel and find that intriguing enough. Let alone creating this amount of data heavy stuff in an ever changing environment. My hat's off for you guys! Merry Christmas!

                              @Edit, I see somehow my automated signature is gone, so manual flying here
                              - Kevin "ToastEmperor" Valk
                              Last edited by ToastEmperor; 24Dec2022, 09:44.
                              Kevin "ToastEmperor" Valk

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                              • Want2BFlyin
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                                Hi Kevin,

                                Whenever you add a new post, your signature will not seem to be there when the page loads. However, it is in fact there. Everyone else on the forum will be able to see it, and if you refresh the page again, you will see it there as well. It's just one of the odd little quirks of this forum.

                              • ToastEmperor
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                                Good to know, Thanks!

                                In the Netherlands we say "Dubbel genaaid houdt beter" (Double stitching works better), although in Dutch there's also a little innuendo in it... hihi

                                - KV

                              #25
                              Thanks for the update and for all the hard work the PMDG team put in.
                              Merry xmas to everybody and hopefully a peaceful new year..
                              Derek Cheesbrough

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                                #26
                                Originally posted by mighty747 View Post

                                Maybe you should do complete reinstall. I did two flights after updating and I have no problems. So update works fine!!!

                                thanks RSR and merry x-mas!
                                HI, I did try this, complete un install and re install and still same problem.

                                Thanks
                                Paul Kos

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                                  #27
                                  Originally posted by cmakris View Post

                                  Nameless. If you see a fuzzy picture then 99.9999% you are using the 3rd party copilot modification. Remove it and you ll be all set.
                                  Hi, I dont have any kind of 3rd pilot co pilot mods.

                                  Thanks,
                                  Paul Kos

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                                    #28
                                    Paul,

                                    submit a ticket at support.pmdg.com please and tell them that you don't have the copilot mod. Support is pretty capable and they have more possibilities to help you than us forum users.
                                    Ryzen 7 5800X3D, RTX4080, 32GB DDR4 RAM @3600MHz, 4k
                                    Marc Eland
                                    GFO Beta

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                                      #29
                                      Originally posted by Moloch_IC View Post

                                      Hi, I dont have any kind of 3rd pilot co pilot mods.

                                      Thanks,
                                      Paul Kos
                                      In this case as Marc wrote open a ticket, with a screenshot of the issue as well.
                                      Chris Makris (Olympic260)
                                      PMDG Technical Support
                                      http://www.pmdg.com

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                                        #30
                                        Thanks for the update Captain, merry Christmas to all.

                                        Here's to an even better 2023
                                        Joe Colehouse

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                                          You as well, Joe! - RSR
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