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    [18NOV22] PMDG 737 for MSFS Updates & Other News Tidbits

    Captains!

    Happy Friday, everybody and welcome to another weekend of fun PMDG flying.

    Navigraph Community Survey:
    Navigraph has opened their annual survey for users to participate and provide feedback. All of us at PMDG have taken the survey, and we hope all of you will do so as well. You can take the Navigraph Survey here and it only takes about 10 minutes. The data is always interesting and gives an snapshot of the current state of simming and what is on the minds of your fellow simmers. Please do take the survey!

    PMDG 737 for Microsoft Flight Simulator: Updates Galore!
    Today we have a triplet of updates for you covering the 737 product series. This update series is intended to bring the 737 product line up to date with the MSFS SU11 standard, and using the latest build of the MSFS 20.4 SDK. (Previous builds ran in SU11, but were built with 19.x series SDKs yielding the potential for some inefficiencies.)

    The *main* focus has been continued tuning of the control law for the automated flight control system in pitch, roll, yaw and thrust. The previous update had a few scenarios which were still problematic for under-thrust and over-thrust conditions. These conditions come about because the atmospheric stability in MSFS is significantly unrealistic, and we have had to build additional logic into the control law for these channels that is capable of dealing with situations that are thoroughly inconceivable in the real world. We hope that the changes made to the MSFS atmospherics will continue to improve over time, but the good news is that the work that has gone into the 737 control logic thus far is capable of handling a trend toward greater realism in the atmospheric stability without any changes required. Let us hope it doesn't go in the other direction, however. The SU11 atmospherics have been addressed with this update and should yield greater stability all around on the thrust channel.

    We have done a significant amount of work in the background to bring forward some new features that were unlocked in the MSF SU11 updates- but many of these were found to either not work properly (pause behaviors) or remain insufficient to provide accurate results (wx radar, par example) and remain in development.

    A number of other updates have been accomplished throughout the 737 series, as well as a few items out of fault tracking as listed below:

    0012072: [General - Documentation] Amend Introduction document to remove Wifi Antenna FWD/AFT option (hvanrensburg)
    0012051: [Virtual Cockpit - Geometry/Textures] Capt Stab trim clipping (vscimone)
    0012052: [Virtual Cockpit - Geometry/Textures] MIssing pixel on Electrical Panel when using New pressurization panel option (vscimone)
    0011821: [External Model - Geometry] Negative pressure relief valve text & push panel mis-aligned (jbrown)
    0011614: [External Model - Geometry] Paintkit Model Texture Distortion (jbrown)

    You can download these updates via the PMDG Operations Center, which was installed with your PMDG 737. Simply run the OC, then select Aircraft/Liveries and Product Updates. The rest is just the click of a button!

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    PMDG 737-900 Beta Testing Update:
    We have been a bit swamped by background work created in the transition to SU11 and the 20.x series SDK updates. Specifically, the need to stabilize the 737 series in response to continued atmospheric changes in MSFS has had us focused on areas other than the 737-900 beta testing process because the atmospheric changes being made in MSFS were disruptive to the proper operation of the 737 and thus made them a higher priority. As I have said in my last few updates, we are hoping to have the 900 series in testing "by next friday." Standard disclaimer still applies- but my confidence in achieving this next week is higher than it has been in some time.

    PMDG Universal Flight Tablet Update:
    The tablet is well into testing and is progressing well. Our team has provided a robust round of feedback and many changes have been implemented, with a beta update going out to them shortly. We are looking to add more functions to their testing process in the week ahead- and as soon as I can convince the tablet dev team to let me show it to you, I shall!

    PMDG 737 for Microsoft Flight Simulator: Marketplace At Last!
    Today we are handing off the 737 to marketplace for intake into the MS Marketplace store. We had planned to do this well prior to the arrival of SU11 in the MSFS universe- but those plans got steamrolled by some instability in the SU11 beta/SDK process. In the end the builds going to Marketplace will be more stable so all is well that ends well, as they say. We do not know how long it will take to complete the intake process. The DC-6 a year ago took 6-8 weeks, but the intake process has gotten quite a bit of attention and improvement since then so we expect it to be far faster.

    For those interested in seeing the 737 on XBox: We do not yet have the "all-clear!" on creating C++/WASM projects for Xbox compatibility. Once we get that, we will update you on those plans. We don't expect any blockers for Xbox use but there may be some functionality loss in peripheral compatibility such as loss of tablet functions due to the fact that the xbox environment is far more locked-down than PCs. We'll keep you informed as we learn more on this topic, probably after release of SU12?

    PMDG DC-6 Cloudmaster Update Coming:
    In DC-6 news, we are preparing a new update to hand off to the testing team once a few more corners are tucked in. This pending update will bring the DC-6 up to SU11 standard., include a sweep up of some open items that we have in fault tracking and (we hope) will eliminate some VOR tracking problems reported by some users.

    PMDG 777, MAX and 747:
    Yup. Hard at work. Nope. Possibly. Of course. Later. When we are ready. Yes. Very much so.
    Robert S. Randazzo
    PMDG Simulations
    http://www.pmdg.com



    #2
    Wasn't expecting to be the first one to see this. Keep up the good work.
    Captain Kevin

    Kevin Yang

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      #3
      Thanks for the hard work. Looking forward to 777.
      Mert Aydın

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        #4
        Great update, the max news is also great, thanks 😁
        Andrew Bolton

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          #5
          Let's talk about a preliminary timeline for 777 and 747
          Chris Mbe

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          • rsrandazzo
            rsrandazzo commented
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            Chris- we did. It is in the 777/max/747 part of the update. :-) - RSR

          • VoyagerP3D
            VoyagerP3D commented
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            LOL
            And when they are ready then we can speak about GFO, JS41 and 787. Deal? :-)

          #6
          Lots of work as always going into these products, thankyou!


          Luke Carter | Flight Sim Content Creator & PPL Student Pilot
          youtube.com/britishavgeek

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            #7
            Are you currently working on the 777, Max, and 747?
            -Yup
            Any progress on these birds?
            -Hard at work
            Do you have any pictures to show us?
            -Nope
            Any chance we’ll see something by the end of the year?
            -Possibly
            Next year?
            -Of course
            How soon?
            -Later
            When will we find out more about these?
            -When we are ready
            Are the builds progressing nicely?
            -Yes
            Are you excited to release these?
            -Very much so
            Marcus Phillips

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            • JasonK
              JasonK commented
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              LOL - Nicely done!

            • EasternT3
              EasternT3 commented
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              Perfect comment

            • malarnot
              malarnot commented
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              Thank you, Marcus for the interpretation...very well done.

            #8
            Just … one question related to marketplace. Once product is in marketplace, updates are faster? or could again take weeks, so update on marketplace could be weeks after availability in OC?

            thx
            Tomas Knaifl

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            • rsrandazzo
              rsrandazzo commented
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              Tomas- We don't really know. We will all be learning this together. - RSR

            #9
            Originally posted by rsrandazzo View Post
            Captains!

            Happy Friday, everybody and welcome to another weekend of fun PMDG flying.

            PMDG 737 for Microsoft Flight Simulator: Updates Galore!
            Today we have a triplet of updates for you covering the 737 product series. This update series is intended to bring the 737 product line up to date with the MSFS SU11 standard, and using the latest build of the MSFS 20.4 SDK. (Previous builds ran in SU11, but were built with 19.x series SDKs yielding the potential for some inefficiencies.)

            The *main* focus has been continued tuning of the control law for the automated flight control system in pitch, roll, yaw and thrust. The previous update had a few scenarios which were still problematic for under-thrust and over-thrust conditions. These conditions come about because the atmospheric stability in MSFS is significantly unrealistic, and we have had to build additional logic into the control law for these channels that is capable of dealing with situations that are thoroughly inconceivable in the real world. We hope that the changes made to the MSFS atmospherics will continue to improve over time, but the good news is that the work that has gone into the 737 control logic thus far is capable of handling a trend toward greater realism in the atmospheric stability without any changes required. Let us hope it doesn't go in the other direction, however. The SU11 atmospherics have been addressed with this update and should yield greater stability all around on the thrust channel.

            We have done a significant amount of work in the background to bring forward some new features that were unlocked in the MSF SU11 updates- but many of these were found to either not work properly (pause behaviors) or remain insufficient to provide accurate results (wx radar, par example) and remain in development.

            A number of other updates have been accomplished throughout the 737 series, as well as a few items out of fault tracking as listed below:

            0012072: [General - Documentation] Amend Introduction document to remove Wifi Antenna FWD/AFT option (hvanrensburg)
            0012051: [Virtual Cockpit - Geometry/Textures] Capt Stab trim clipping (vscimone)
            0012052: [Virtual Cockpit - Geometry/Textures] MIssing pixel on Electrical Panel when using New pressurization panel option (vscimone)
            0011821: [External Model - Geometry] Negative pressure relief valve text & push panel mis-aligned (jbrown)
            0011614: [External Model - Geometry] Paintkit Model Texture Distortion (jbrown)

            You can download these updates via the PMDG Operations Center, which was installed with your PMDG 737. Simply run the OC, then select Aircraft/Liveries and Product Updates. The rest is just the click of a button!

            Due to the known reasons I still use the version 3.0.39.

            Does the new update include the updates after the version 3.0.39 or should I do a new installation (download from PMDG store)?


            Thanks


            Christoph Furgol

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            • rsrandazzo
              rsrandazzo commented
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              Christoph- The OC will update you from any published version. The goal is to make it as simple and easy to use as possible. One click to update without having to do any research at all! - RSR

            #10
            Thanks for the update
            Joe Colehouse

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              #11
              Thanks for the update ! can't wait for the 777 😁😏😏








              Alex Mesrangs

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                #12
                Originally posted by rsrandazzo View Post
                PMDG DC-6 Cloudmaster Update Coming:
                In DC-6 news, we are preparing a new update to hand off to the testing team once a few more corners are tucked in. This pending update will bring the DC-6 up to SU11 standard., include a sweep up of some open items that we have in fault tracking and (we hope) will eliminate some VOR tracking problems reported by some users.
                Rob,

                I appreciate the time you guys took for this upcoming polish pass. This reminds me that I have one or two very, *very* minor lights issues I've noticed that I should finally get around to putting in a ticket for.
                Regards,
                --Joe Markowski

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                  #13
                  I wish we could eliminate the thank you posts and leave the thread to possible problems and real questions. We are all thankful that PMDG is providing updates, etc. in a timely fashion, but I hav never understood why threads like this need to be cluttered with expressions of deep gratitude.
                  Bob Zolto

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                  • rsrandazzo
                    rsrandazzo commented
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                    Bob- We appreciate the positivity. You'd be surprised how much it matters to the team to see that folks actually appreciate the huge effort they put in to creating these updates. I'm sorry that others expressing gratitude seems to rob you of joy. That is really unfortunate. - RSR

                  • Bob_Z
                    Bob_Z commented
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                    Doesn't rob me of joy at all, just time having to wade through them all.

                  • MarkusGX
                    MarkusGX commented
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                    Want to know something funny Bob, your post does exactly the same thing going by your logic.

                  #14
                  Originally posted by Bob_Z View Post
                  I wish we could eliminate the thank you posts and leave the thread to possible problems and real questions. We are all thankful that PMDG is providing updates, etc. in a timely fashion, but I hav never understood why threads like this need to be cluttered with expressions of deep gratitude.
                  Thank you 🙏
                  Alex Pugh

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                  • rsrandazzo
                    rsrandazzo commented
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                    Alex dislikes folks expressing gratitude to others. I need a "pretending to be shocked" emoji. LOL - RSR

                  • AirBadger
                    AirBadger commented
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                    I was ribbing him... I think it's silly to complain about that, and this is coming from someone who can complain about anything...

                  #15
                  Originally posted by Captain Kevin View Post
                  Wasn't expecting to be the first one to see this. Keep up the good work.
                  I mean you are on this forum 24hrs a day.
                  Jordan Collins

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                  • Captain Kevin
                    Captain Kevin commented
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                    I wish I was here for that long, but do keep in mind that I used to drive trucks for a living. That said, I'm usually never around the second an update gets issued, most of the time it's hours later.

                  • rsrandazzo
                    rsrandazzo commented
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                    Kevin- Used to? Did you retire? Did I miss that detail? - RSR

                  • Captain Kevin
                    Captain Kevin commented
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                    Yes, you did. I obviously didn't announce it here since it wasn't really relevant to anything, but since you asked, I'll tell you. I quit at the end of September because the job was getting far too stressful for various reasons that wouldn't really be relevant on the forum. I guess if you really want to know, shoot me a message and I'll tell you.

                  #16
                  Great update. How will the EFB be added if you already have the 737-800 installed?? Is it a re-install for the 737 all together, or will it just be an update to the existing 737-800?
                  I am about to load MSFS into a new computer and wonder should I wait for the PMDG 737 (until the EFB is out) or install it now and update the EFB later.
                  Paul Gugliotta

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                  • flightjunkie
                    flightjunkie commented
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                    They've said that it's just an update - not a full reinstall. Go ahead and install it now.

                  • rsrandazzo
                    rsrandazzo commented
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                    Paul- We'll tell you when the time comes. - RSR

                  #17
                  Thankyou for the information and update this is much appreciated work well done.
                  Danny Z.Cebis

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                    #18
                    Does this update address the lead footed auto throttle that has caused our VA to become flooded with held reports?

                    Brian M
                    Brian Meyers

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                      #19
                      After Update no Wingflex..

                      best regards,

                      Dennis

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                        #20
                        Thanks you for the update! Keep up the great work

                        José Francisco Ibáñez Moreno 🇪🇸

                        AMD Ryzen 7 5800X // MSI MPG X570 Gaming Edge WiFi // 32GB 3600Mhz RAM // XFX Merc319 AMD Radeon RX6800 XT 16GB // Windows 11

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                          #21
                          Thanks a lot Robert, nice update, just tried it, no AT bug noticed. Another thing I liked a lot was my landing with the new ground physics added to the flight_model.cfg file.
                          Sergio Naiberg

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                            #22
                            Thanks Captain for the news and the photo of the -900. It would have been nicer to see more of the side to appreciate how long it is... But then again, maybe you did that on purpose...

                            Have a great weekend!
                            Andreu Escuain


                            i7-10900 @ 3.60 GHz - be quiet! Dark Rock 4 - HyperX Kingston 32GB RAM @ 3200 MHz DDR 4- 2TB m.2 SSD WD Blue - MSI GeForce GTX 2080 Super 8GB GDDR

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                            • rsrandazzo
                              rsrandazzo commented
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                              Andreu- The Lovely Dr. Randazzo, formerly of the US Secret Service is fond of saying "there are no coincidences." - RSR

                            #23
                            Thanks for the update Robert. I appreciate you keeping us apprised of developments. I was somewhat puzzled by your comment “atmospheric stability in MSFS is significantly unrealistic”. I am not exactly sure what that means (although it doesn’t sound good.). I wonder if you could explain a little what you mean and perhaps give us an indication why this doesn’t appear to have been mentioned by other addon developers. Is there something unique about the 737 that makes this atmospheric instability problematic?

                            John
                            John Callum

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                            • rsrandazzo
                              rsrandazzo commented
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                              John- I have been flying for more than a quarter century in a range of airplanes from light singles to piston transports to swept wing jets. I have flown over a good portion of the planet and at altitudes from skimming above lakes and deserts in a restored WWII airplane to traversing a hurricane in a swept wing jet or cruising along, munching a biscuit and sipping coffee at FL450 as the scenery slips by. I continue to fly regularly in high altitude, high speed aircraft with all manner of high lift devices, spoilers, etc. This, experience gives me a pretty firm venue of appraisal from which to evaluate what I see in MSFS. Internally at PMDG we have actual PhD level scientific and mathematic capability that we use to evaluate things such as gust factors, G-load input and how changes in temperature and wind affect things such as wing loading, momentum, gust loading, and resulting control inputs. We speak from the perspective of expertise. The gust loading in the atmospherics in MSFS would crack the wing spar of the most robustly designed jet after <100hrs of flying. We are talking instantaneous G-loading exceeding +-2.4G instantaneously (Which isn't possible real world) under nearly continuous circumstances. Since we are using actual AFDS logic and mathematics, the airplane responds as it would in the real world- and thus we have to "teach" it how to deal with things the real world doesn't provide. The alternative is we can dumb down the flight model so that it fits the MSFS world- but that comes with consequences too. - RSR

                            • jcallum
                              jcallum commented
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                              Thanks for the detailed response. I can only hope that you are sharing these observations with Seb and the folks at Asobo so that they are able to make improvements to the atmospherics.
                              John

                            #24
                            Yup. Hard at work. Nope. Possibly. Of course. Later. When we are ready. Yes. Very much so.
                            Why use many word when few will do?
                            Justin Kozuch

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                              #25
                              Thanks for the update!
                              - John Svensson

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                                #26
                                Hi Robert,

                                Thank you for the update. Any word on when the PMDG FMS will be updated to use more the extensive Navigraph navigation data (nav-database), including RF legs, RNP AR APCHs, etc.? I have not seen anything mentioned about the timeline for implementing this capability since the LNAV updates were made over the summer.

                                Thanks!

                                Rich Boll
                                Rich Boll
                                Wichita, KS

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                                • rsrandazzo
                                  rsrandazzo commented
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                                  Rich- If we hadn't been derailed so badly by SU11- it might be in testing already. As is? When it is ready for testing it will go to testing. Then roll out to you guys in an update. - RSR

                                #27
                                Thanks for your update post Robert, I really do enjoy seeing how much work you and the whole team continue to put into this aircraft. Looking forward immensely to seeing some preview grabs of the UFT ( gotta have more 3 letter acronyms :- ). It will make our hard working single pilots lives that little bit easier in the pit. Glad that all the other projects are progressing well too. I know the Max ( gotta have one of those ) and the gorgeous Triple 7 and 747 will end up in my hangar too. Keep well and blue skies to you all.
                                Eddie Zetlein, Surrey.

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                                  #28
                                  Thanks for update! This update fixe the broken panel state?
                                  Kimi Häkkinen

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                                    #29
                                    Thanks for all of the hard work on these updates. 737 is obviously a big deal but I am very appreciative also that the DC-6 has not been left behind <- 1 per engine

                                    That said, after a 12-year life hiatus I am pursuing my private certificate again and this time failure is not an option so I will have to focus exclusively on the Cessna 172S for awhile. Instructors get a little…unsettled when I call for gear up and that kind of thing 😂
                                    Matt Smith

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                                    • MattS
                                      MattS commented
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                                      rsrandazzo thanks! I’m training in Millville, NJ (KMIV)…old P-47 training field from WW2 but now a nicely equipped municipal airport.

                                    • rsrandazzo
                                      rsrandazzo commented
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                                      Matt- I know just where it is. I flew over it yesterday- once at FL310 and again at FL360. (Short sector...Northeast Corridor...) Keep at it and keep us posted as to your progress! Always happy to see fellow pilots coming along with their training! If you need any help- shout. I'm always here. - RSR

                                    • MattS
                                      MattS commented
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                                      rsrandazzo - thanks, will do!

                                    #30
                                    Originally posted by Dennis View Post
                                    After Update no Wingflex..

                                    best regards,

                                    Dennis
                                    Wingflex working fine here. As is A/T behavior, thankyou Robert and team.
                                    Dave Paige
                                    PPL, ASEL, Instrument

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