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    Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 Pre-Alpha Footage

    This video went up only a few hours ago:


    Discuss away!
    James Ward


    #2
    Since I started the thread I’ll kick off the discussion.

    I’d like to point to the 5:14 timestamp: “Clouds are truly 3D and volumetric, and cast shadows on the ground below. And if you happen to be using real world weather, that virtual cloud you’ll be looking at should be also there in reality too.”

    I suspect that’s exaggeration but if that’s truly the case where the same cloud I’m looking at in real life is in exactly the same place in the sim then I’ll never check the weather channel again. I’ll just load up the sim to find out what’s outside.

    I’d also like to point to the 5:50 timestamp: “They’ve built they’re own flight model engine which allows for thousands of fully simulated surfaces and 3D forces and moments to be fully simulated.”

    Maybe just maybe they’ve unlocked the secret sauce to flight models. I guess we’ll find out soon enough.
    James Ward

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      #3
      I´m sure that PMDG will be able to test this simulator, too! I´m afraid that it´ll be impossible to implement the current PMDG Products into MFS2020 (new flight model etc.).
      Maurice Kroll
      Greetings from Germany!

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        #4
        Originally posted by HighFlier View Post
        Since I started the thread I’ll kick off the discussion.

        I’d like to point to the 5:14 timestamp: “Clouds are truly 3D and volumetric, and cast shadows on the ground below. And if you happen to be using real world weather, that virtual cloud you’ll be looking at should be also there in reality too.”

        I suspect that’s exaggeration but if that’s truly the case where the same cloud I’m looking at in real life is in exactly the same place in the sim then I’ll never check the weather channel again. I’ll just load up the sim to find out what’s outside.

        I’d also like to point to the 5:50 timestamp: “They’ve built they’re own flight model engine which allows for thousands of fully simulated surfaces and 3D forces and moments to be fully simulated.”

        Maybe just maybe they’ve unlocked the secret sauce to flight models. I guess we’ll find out soon enough.
        Yes.. We don´t need addon weather engines anymore... And ORBX etc..... All those addons will be worthless.
        Maurice Kroll
        Greetings from Germany!

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          #5
          Originally posted by maukro1990 View Post

          Yes.. We don´t need addon weather engines anymore... And ORBX etc..... All those addons will be worthless.
          I'll believe all this as soon as it's out and MS keeps its word.
          i7-6700k, GTX 1080TI, 32GB DDR4 RAM @2666MHz, 4k
          Marc Ehnle

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            #6
            Nice scenery but no 737,747,748,777 and so on.
            Danny Z.Cebis

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              #7
              Wow it looks great and feels great! Just what we needed!
              Yours Truly
              Boaz Fraizer

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                #8
                Originally posted by Ausflight View Post
                Nice scenery but no 737,747,748,777 and so on.
                Come on. Who is honestly going to fly default 747, 737 for long. As soon as PMDG hits the shelves, the default stocks are history. Why would you even bother with a development of that technical level, when ultimately third party partners will deliver. I think Airbuses may be included...
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                Erich Berner

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Ausflight View Post
                  Nice scenery but no 737,747,748,777 and so on.
                  I am still convinced the reason why it‘s been taking so long for PMDG to come up with an update is MSFS 2020. They are probably very busy negotiating with Microsoft and contemplating how to proceed further.

                  MSFS 2020 could indeed prove to be huge blow to other addon developers...

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by ErichB View Post

                    Come on. Who is honestly going to fly default 747, 737 for long. As soon as PMDG hits the shelves, the default stocks are history. Why would you even bother with a development of that technical level, when ultimately third party partners will deliver. I think Airbuses may be included...
                    Who said anything about default.
                    Danny Z.Cebis

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                      #11
                      It looks beautiful but, isn't she flying a bit too fast?
                      Pedro Trindade

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                        #12
                        To pour some more oil into the fire, Microsoft said they are already talking to developers to get them on board. Froogle didn't mention any names in his video about his visit to Microsoft but he did say it was all the developers you'd think they'd be talking to.

                        Plus, Microsoft stated they are implementing some sort of backward compatible code based on FSX which, according to them, should allow easy port-overs of existing addons that would run in a legacy mode.
                        Niklas Graefe

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Ausflight View Post
                          Nice scenery but no 737,747,748,777 and so on.
                          every1 will fly the Default Learjet like 20yrs ago until PMDG releases it's new Line of FS2020 planes around Fall 2030



                          Harry Giannias

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                            #14
                            The scenery is awesome. I will buy it whether or not I have a PMDG plane or not.
                            Paul Gugliotta

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Paulyg123 View Post
                              The scenery is awesome. I will buy it whether or not I have a PMDG plane or not.
                              Even the default planes are high quality, from the flight characteristics (judged by an actual airline pilot) right down to the finest visual details (scratch marks on the windows...). Yeah, I'd jump in that, too.

                              But just imagine what a developer like PMDG can pull off using that platform... I dare not imagine it just yet.

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                                #16
                                I wonder if there is a need to have add on airports anymore - the video looks stunning. But it will take years for MS Flight and quality Boeings to all come together. I figure 4 years before I am flying a PMDG 747 on the new platform. Hopefully we are in the next GEN CPU and Video card by then as well.
                                Paul Gugliotta

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                                • Mickel
                                  Mickel commented
                                  Editing a comment
                                  I would imagine there is still a place for airport developers. The cities look great from 1,500’, but at an airport you’re up close and personal. I like seeing people and hearing birds and cars around a grass strip I’ve just arrived at in the Cub. And there will still be a need for support vehicles, billboards etc around the big ones.

                                #17
                                Originally posted by threegreen View Post
                                Plus, Microsoft stated they are implementing some sort of backward compatible code based on FSX which, according to them, should allow easy port-overs of existing addons that would run in a legacy mode.
                                That is exactly what I was hoping would NOT happen. I was really hoping they would do away with all the legacy code and the old bugs that come with it.
                                Karsten Sandleben

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                                  #18
                                  Originally posted by KVSandleben View Post

                                  That is exactly what I was hoping would NOT happen. I was really hoping they would do away with all the legacy code and the old bugs that come with it.
                                  It's not guaranteed to make the final version anyway. Despite that, they outlined that it's a completely seperate mode. The 'new' sim will run entirely on its own and the legacy flight model will be seperate. It's essentially having two different flight models in the one sim, like how X Plane has the experimental flight model option and the default flight model.

                                  This way, with legacy mode enabled, it's essentially FSX with better graphics, same FSX flight model and aircraft but better world, weather etc.

                                  You need not worry about it tainting the 'new' sim if this mode makes it to final release.
                                  Daniel Glover

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                                    #19
                                    Every time I see one of these new releases all I can think about is Microsoft BOB.🤣
                                    Last edited by Bluestar; 01Oct2019, 02:32.
                                    Bode Bridges
                                    I Earned my Spurs in Vietnam

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                                      #20
                                      This will literally put some dev's on the brink. No need for texture replacements, weather engines, etc.... Most of Orbx portfolio becomes redundant. Looks like a just need some flight planning software, 3rd party airports and my PMDG aircraft. My only concern is whether Vatsim, vPilot, etc... can be used on this platform.
                                      Eric Fisher

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                                        #21
                                        Originally posted by B777ER View Post
                                        This will literally put some dev's on the brink. No need for texture replacements, weather engines, etc.... Most of Orbx portfolio becomes redundant. Looks like a just need some flight planning software, 3rd party airports and my PMDG aircraft. My only concern is whether Vatsim, vPilot, etc... can be used on this platform.
                                        Do you have any verifiable data to support any of these statements?
                                        Bode Bridges
                                        I Earned my Spurs in Vietnam

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                                          #22
                                          Originally posted by B777ER View Post
                                          My only concern is whether Vatsim, vPilot, etc... can be used on this platform.
                                          MS will know that excluding multiplayer capability would be a deal-killer for a lot of people and it's been in every FS version for a long time so there's no reason for them to exclude it. You can almost guarantee that the clients won't just work out of the box but it'll happen, I have no concerns on that front.
                                          Bill Casey

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                                            #23
                                            Originally posted by Billc View Post

                                            MS will know that excluding multiplayer capability would be a deal-killer for a lot of people and it's been in every FS version for a long time so there's no reason for them to exclude it. You can almost guarantee that the clients won't just work out of the box but it'll happen, I have no concerns on that front.
                                            Exactly. Can you imagine VATSIM events into JFK. Bloody awesome.
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                                            Erich Berner

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                                              #24
                                              Originally posted by Dannnnn View Post

                                              You need not worry about it tainting the 'new' sim if this mode makes it to final release.
                                              I'm not so sure. Who knows what issues arise when using the legacy code together with the new.

                                              Karsten Sandleben

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                                                #25
                                                the great thing about having a good weather system, environment system and aerodynamic system out of the box (default) for a new SIM is to help 3rd party developers to concentrate on providing a great product instead of spending a lot of time programing compatibility plug ins for different weather engines (HiFi aka AS, REX, Opus... and so on) for example.

                                                Ali A.
                                                Ali A.

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                                                  #26
                                                  Originally posted by Bluestar View Post

                                                  Do you have any verifiable data to support any of these statements?
                                                  Well it's logical to me that we won't be needing ORBX for this sim for sure...
                                                  STEFAN ĐORĐEVIĆ

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                                                    #27
                                                    Originally posted by Stefan_888 View Post

                                                    Well it's logical to me that we won't be needing ORBX for this sim for sure...
                                                    All I've seen is what appears to be promotional videos published with selected content. Do you have access to any information that is not available to the general public?

                                                    This is not unlike similar marketing strategies that have been used by MS in promotion of their Flight Simulator franchise.

                                                    Always remember that this is Microsoft, the same company that brought us Bob and Clippy. 🤣
                                                    Bode Bridges
                                                    I Earned my Spurs in Vietnam

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                                                    • robroberson
                                                      robroberson commented
                                                      Editing a comment
                                                      Well, you know, you could always sign up to be an "insider", get access and see first hand. No, I am not but I think I was in the same boat as Froogle. There are still a ton of questions that need to be answered. At least they mentioned that they were making this with us "hard core" simmers in mind.

                                                      Rob Roberson

                                                    • Bluestar
                                                      Bluestar commented
                                                      Editing a comment
                                                      Rob, why would I want to sign up to be a tester for a video game? I've been a beta tester in the real world (see above) and suspect I've got more real world hours doing flat spins during my test flight days than 99% of the folks that visit this forum.

                                                    • robroberson
                                                      robroberson commented
                                                      Editing a comment
                                                      Exactly the reason I'm not signing up for it. I wasn't trying to be snarky or anything.

                                                      Rob Roberson
                                                      Rotorcraft Helicopter
                                                      SEL MEL Instrument
                                                      Last edited by robroberson; 05Oct2019, 14:50.

                                                    #28
                                                    Looking very promising indeed, but I ain't going nowhere without my PMDG!!!
                                                    Zsolt Szivak

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                                                      #29
                                                      You might need ActiveSky or another weather engine if you decide to fly offline.

                                                      Michael Jones
                                                      Michael A. Jones

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                                                        #30
                                                        Originally posted by Bluestar View Post

                                                        All I've seen is what appears to be promotional videos published with selected content. Do you have access to any information that is not available to the general public?

                                                        This is not unlike similar marketing strategies that have been used by MS in promotion of their Flight Simulator franchise.

                                                        Always remember that this is Microsoft, the same company that brought us Bob and Clippy. 🤣
                                                        Hahahahaha, indeed 😂😂😁
                                                        STEFAN ĐORĐEVIĆ

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