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    #31
    Guess I'm strange but the jetway is the only ground service I care to use, don't have a need for fueling or cargo animations
    Mike Murphy
    Commercial, Instrument, Rotorcraft-Helicopter

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    • valexyo
      #31.1
      valexyo commented
      21Aug2022, 22:39
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      no man you're not strange, it's just that people use the sim differently, and have different needs or things that they care of or like..
    #32
    do we have infos about this?

    Franck CAGNES

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      #33
      Gents,

      A couple of points here:

      1) PMDG Ground Operations is entirely different from, and designed specifically not to conflict with anything you might want to do with GSX. For years some users have tried to create some imaginary conflict between our own simulation capabilities and GSX- and all this does is create uncertainty for customers who don't realize they are being mislead. PMDG Ground Operations is entirely and totally option. Use it if you like, turn it off if you don't. Pretty simple- but it does require that you take a few moments to read the introduction and understand what it is and how to disable it if you wish. Those with some imagination can also use it in conjunction with GSX or other, similar products in order to lever unique features in both platforms. Again- it does require that you take the time to learn and explore and <gasp> read a bit, or research it up on youtube or the like.

      2) We pruned a number of threads here related to GSX after it's release into MSFS because we felt that some folks were trying to create friction with GSX in a manner that was unfair. I took a fair amount of criticism for pruning discussions antagonistic toward GSX because of CTDs or other problems. Two (now former) forum participants got banned for coming at me and the moderators with inflammatory language because we removed multiple posts they created criticizing GSX when it was plainly obvious the CTD issues being reported were a flukey confluence of bad luck between the product's entry to service and some issues with MSFS. As a developer I can only imagine the frustration experienced by GSX's developer having their product tarnished by something they had no control over. This can be a harsh business on a good day, so having that experience on release day must have been disheartening.

      3) We provide (or: more accurately- in the case of the 737 product line we WILL provide shortly) a full SDK to allow outside developers to integrate their products to work with ours. Occasionally developers will reach out to us with a request to add a feature or function that will enhance the cooperation of our product and theirs. We always try to implement these requests but sometimes it takes time, or we have to defer the implementation of the request due to our own heavy development agenda. We have also had other developers reach out and demand that we do X or Y, or request that we disable functions in our software in order to promote the utility of their own application. Those items never get handled, because we believe it is important to have a good working relationship with any developer who is integrating their work cooperatively with ours. Once our 737 SDK is final and published- outside developers will have a better toe and hand-hold from which to spring.

      I hope that improves some of the general undestanding of the topic here- and I hope it reduces the confusion and misinformation a bit.

      Robert S. Randazzo
      PMDG Simulations
      http://www.pmdg.com


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        #34
        Originally posted by rsrandazzo View Post
        Gents,

        A couple of points here:

        1) PMDG Ground Operations is entirely different from, and designed specifically not to conflict with anything you might want to do with GSX. For years some users have tried to create some imaginary conflict between our own simulation capabilities and GSX- and all this does is create uncertainty for customers who don't realize they are being mislead. PMDG Ground Operations is entirely and totally option. Use it if you like, turn it off if you don't. Pretty simple- but it does require that you take a few moments to read the introduction and understand what it is and how to disable it if you wish. Those with some imagination can also use it in conjunction with GSX or other, similar products in order to lever unique features in both platforms. Again- it does require that you take the time to learn and explore and <gasp> read a bit, or research it up on youtube or the like.

        2) We pruned a number of threads here related to GSX after it's release into MSFS because we felt that some folks were trying to create friction with GSX in a manner that was unfair. I took a fair amount of criticism for pruning discussions antagonistic toward GSX because of CTDs or other problems. Two (now former) forum participants got banned for coming at me and the moderators with inflammatory language because we removed multiple posts they created criticizing GSX when it was plainly obvious the CTD issues being reported were a flukey confluence of bad luck between the product's entry to service and some issues with MSFS. As a developer I can only imagine the frustration experienced by GSX's developer having their product tarnished by something they had no control over. This can be a harsh business on a good day, so having that experience on release day must have been disheartening.

        3) We provide (or: more accurately- in the case of the 737 product line we WILL provide shortly) a full SDK to allow outside developers to integrate their products to work with ours. Occasionally developers will reach out to us with a request to add a feature or function that will enhance the cooperation of our product and theirs. We always try to implement these requests but sometimes it takes time, or we have to defer the implementation of the request due to our own heavy development agenda. We have also had other developers reach out and demand that we do X or Y, or request that we disable functions in our software in order to promote the utility of their own application. Those items never get handled, because we believe it is important to have a good working relationship with any developer who is integrating their work cooperatively with ours. Once our 737 SDK is final and published- outside developers will have a better toe and hand-hold from which to spring.

        I hope that improves some of the general undestanding of the topic here- and I hope it reduces the confusion and misinformation a bit.
        Thanks for your open-mindness which makes the PMDG's products even better. It makes your products even more valuable due to the fact that you allow cooperation with other parties to combine multiple products into one.

        I can't lie, I enjoy GSX a lot, but it's their things, they 100% focus on ground crew features, which none of any aircraft makers could ever do. I'm glad you will be sharing a full SDK allowing cooperation with your products, the 737 in this case.

        Cheers !

        -Happy PMDG customer.
        Please be courteous, English is not my primary language.

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          #35
          "Now that it has SimBrief integration it's even more realistic by loading in the exact the number of passengers and fuel. If your flight plan has 80 passengers, you can count 80 passengers enter your plane." <==
          Does it really take fuel tank target from simbrief? I have been asked to enter it into PMDG FMC.

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            #36
            Originally posted by Helibrewer View Post
            Guess I'm strange but the jetway is the only ground service I care to use, don't have a need for fueling or cargo animations
            GSX Pushback ist absolute 100% super.
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            • StachM
              #36.1
              StachM commented
              05Mar2023, 17:02
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              Not least because it‘s fully customizable to the procedures of the individual airport.
            • Want2BFlyin
              #36.2
              Want2BFlyin commented
              05Mar2023, 18:12
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              StachM To the best of my knowledge, GSX still does not support push-back/pull-forward maneuvers. Also, from my experience (and this may change as I become more familiar with GSX), it is easier to create a custom pushback path with Toolbar Pushback than it is with GSX.
            #37
            Originally posted by ehenkes View Post
            "Now that it has SimBrief integration it's even more realistic by loading in the exact the number of passengers and fuel. If your flight plan has 80 passengers, you can count 80 passengers enter your plane." <==
            Does it really take fuel tank target from simbrief? I have been asked to enter it into PMDG FMC.
            You might mix something up here. GSX, as far as I know, can read the Simbried OFP and add the fuel and payload from this flightplan to some aircraft. I say "some" because it isn't able to do that with every addon. PMDG have a long standing policy to not let other developers write or modify their files with a very tiny exception in the aircraft.cfg. GSX could for example use LVARS to press the CDU buttons in a special sequence to enter the fuel into the FMC but as this is a whole heck of work with a big amount of uncertainity they go the easier and more sensible way to tell you to add the fuel yourself.
            Ryzen 7 5800X3D, RTX4080, 32GB DDR4 RAM @3600MHz, 4k
            Marc Eland
            GFO Beta

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