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    Jets are Cool, but Pistons Rule

    PMDG's DC-6 is amazing, and they have the team to produce those wonderful piston airliners of the 40's and 50's. We need a L-749 and a L1049, a DC-3 and a DC-4, a Convair 340, just to name a few. All done in PMDG's brilliance. My credit card is ready.
    Ed Grabel
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    #2
    Agree-- but two "tweaks"...add the Convair -240 to the list, and add a "Speedpak" option to the -749!

    Kent Valentine
    Last edited by Colokent; 14Jun2022, 14:29.

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      #3
      Its more along about gather data and manuals for those planes to model and create the systems than just quickly throwing them out there. The smart thing would be hiring a dev team strictly just for pistons and get a dual production line going. One team for airlines the other for pistons and GA (if applicable)
      Alex Kulak
      PMDG Studier and flyer

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        #4
        The Wing42 Boeing 247D is pretty great but boy howdy is it primitive!

        On the one hand, when you assuredly mess up and overheat your engine(s) a time or two learning the plane, you get delightful engine fires and billowing smoke. On the other, the plane has an enormous, thick wing and a stall speed of about 60 knots. It doesn’t even have flaps! So you can ditch it pretty much anywhere you need to.
        Herb Schaltegger - Father, husband, lawyer, engineer & getting too old for this $#!t. Do Not Taunt Happy Fun Ball!TM.

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          #5
          There is nothing like a radial engine. the look better hanging on the front of the wing, They smell better than the aviation kerosene.
          Harry Nelson
          Dell XPS 12Gen i7-12700k (12core 25mb Cache 3.7 to 5.0Ghz), 16GB DDR5 4400Mhz RAM, Nvidia RTX 3060 12GB LHR, 2TB M.2 NVME SSD + 2TB SATA 7200RPM HDD, 750W PS

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            #6
            Well, the only studio that got engine management for radials right and dynamic with proper consequences was A2A. For me the B377 Stratocruiser with COTS package is the best Propliner ever released, and it's 12 years old now. The DC6 is absolutely beautifully modeled, but the scripted engine starts and missing features like a live cabin and crew don't live up against COTS.
            I mean, PMDG could do this, but I guess Propliners just don't sell well enough to justify the effort.
            Matthias Hanel
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            • Hollister56
              #6.1
              Hollister56 commented
              15Jun2022, 21:24
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              You're right, both were great releases, last I heard A2A isn't working on bringing their planes into FS2020, with is very unfortunate.
            • EasternT3
              #6.2
              EasternT3 commented
              20Jun2022, 18:30
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              Hollister56 - I may be getting confused in you mean specific aircraft, but A2A are very much working on MSFS 2020
            • dbw
              #6.3
              dbw commented
              26Jun2022, 15:45
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              I'd enjoy seeing the B377 in MSFS too. Cool machine and done very well. That said the PMDG DC6 creation is excellent. I've got real world time on the R2800 and PMDG have done a great job with engine modelling as well as the cockpit etc.
            #7
            I would love a PMDG DC-3.
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              #8
              Originally posted by jsmarko3 View Post
              I would love a PMDG DC-3.
              I have hoped for this for years now. They even know someone who could lend a hand with the a/c for survey. For now, AH is working with Asobo for the November 40th Anniversary update and I’m hoping this time they will push out a superlative version…fingers x’ed! I even keep hoping the JS41 will reassert herself- she’d be perfect for this Sim. Hope springs eternal…
              Last edited by cavaricooper; 16Jun2022, 11:22.
              Best- Carl Avari-Cooper
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              • mglan80
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                mglan80 commented
                16Jun2022, 15:07
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                I was very glad to hear that the AH version will be essentially freeware. That will allow the community to mod it into a good add-on. Maybe I'll be surprised, but their P3D version was disappointing in all the familiar ways (even still I fly it regularly) and that's been the theme with their other MSFS offerings in general.
              #9
              RedWing is doing an amazing job with their L1049 actually. Might be worth checking out
              Dimitri de Wal - EHAM

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              • tmegowan
                #9.1
                tmegowan commented
                16Jun2022, 22:04
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                I have it and love it. They are making a lot of improvements.
              • mglan80
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                mglan80 commented
                29Jun2022, 20:53
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                I was curious about this one, too. Looks like they've made a good amount of progress. Are the cockpit textures good? Look a little subpar from the screenshots on their website. I still fly and love the A2A Constellation.
              #10
              Originally posted by cavaricooper View Post

              I have hoped for this for years now. They even know someone who could lend a hand with the a/c for survey. For now, AH is working with Asobo for the November 40th Anniversary update and I’m hoping this time they will push out a superlative version…fingers x’ed! I even keep hoping the JS41 will reassert herself- she’d be perfect for this Sim. Hope springs eternal…
              To me the DC-3/C-47 would be at tough aircraft to get the flight dynamics correct. It is not as straight forward as folks might think. Remember it's a swept-wing aircraft. 🤣
              Last edited by Bluestar; 18Jun2022, 21:40.
              Bode Bridges
              I Earned my Spurs in Vietnam

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                #11
                The old sim platforms have some pretty good ones, many freeware. Not exactly study level but much fun never the less.
                Victor Green

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                  #12
                  Yeah, old guys and piston engines.
                  Last edited by Flypops; 20Jun2022, 19:06.
                  Daniel Anziano

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                    #13
                    Originally posted by MatzeH84 View Post
                    Well, the only studio that got engine management for radials right and dynamic with proper consequences was A2A. For me the B377 Stratocruiser with COTS package is the best Propliner ever released, and it's 12 years old now. The DC6 is absolutely beautifully modeled, but the scripted engine starts and missing features like a live cabin and crew don't live up against COTS.
                    I mean, PMDG could do this, but I guess Propliners just don't sell well enough to justify the effort.
                    For many years I've coveted that Stratocruiser but just never got around to purchasing before moving on to the 64bit P3D. Do you keep FSX or FS9 installed to fly her or just stored her in the boneyard? This is the only aircraft I would have to reinstall FSX for.
                    Victor Green

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                      #14
                      Nah, I tried to go back and fly the FSL A320 or A2A GAs, but I just can't stand the graphics at half the FPS.
                      Matthias Hanel
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                        #15
                        Originally posted by Lanica View Post

                        For many years I've coveted that Stratocruiser but just never got around to purchasing before moving on to the 64bit P3D. Do you keep FSX or FS9 installed to fly her or just stored her in the boneyard? This is the only aircraft I would have to reinstall FSX for.
                        I wanted to do just that for the B377 but found myself sitting over that FSX.cfg again just to make it work acceptably. FSX and even the 64bit P3d is stone age, I tried to motivate me to reinstall P3dv4.5 for the 747 but when I thought about all the necessary 3rd party scenery and AIG with this not-so-one-click-installer and Active Sky and this and that I just let it pass. I would‘t even attempt FS9, I would have to make changes to my computer to make it run 🤣 no, never again these ancient programs. And if MSFS continues to fail with its updates I still have DCS and the real world, so be it 🤷🏻‍♂️
                        Ryzen 9 5900X, RX 6900XT, 32GB DDR4 RAM @3600MHz, 4k
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                        • cedrice.rive@yahoo.fr
                          #15.1
                          [email protected] commented
                          29Jun2022, 20:16
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                          🤣 thing here, for the 777. P3Dv4 is a real ecosystem, difficult to implement and expensive in terms of storage space -
                          Have an advantage for msfs2020 less addicted of other 3rd party soft.
                        #16
                        Looks like we will have a very fine DC-3 for MS2020 for free! To say nothing of a Ryan NYP....
                        Tony Vallillo

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                        • Ephedrin
                          #16.1
                          Ephedrin commented
                          29Jun2022, 23:11
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                          AH haven‘t really been pushing out many „very fine“ aircraft recently… „many“ though. I don‘t expect the DC3 being any better.
                        #17
                        Well, we shall see what we shall see, as Captain Ross told Ernie Gann on the occasion of his first flight on the line with American. From the looks of it (and only from the looks of it) it would appear to be "good enough for government work", as we said in the military.

                        The point is that not everything in life comes out of PMDG. Apparently it can't, for reasons that Captain R. has made clear. We must be glad that others are filling in the gaps. This has been true in every platform so far, and one can only hope it will continue to be so.
                        Tony Vallillo

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