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  • Eleuth
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    Originally posted by rondon9898 View Post
    I simply cannot help but be drawn towards the beautiful look of MSFS - it visually blows P3D out of the water. But in virtually every other respect, particularly in relation to flight dynamics, MSFS is currently falling well short. I certainly couldn’t consider getting rid of P3D just yet.
    I assume you are a real world pilot if you can make a statement about flight dynamics.. It is funny there are many realworld pilots that disagree and tell it is close to real. (talking about PMDG and Fenix) So even for real pilots it is not always clear what feels real or not .

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  • RayP
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    Wingview, appreciate your comments. I was happy with v4 but after so many reported significant improvements in v5 I was convinced it was a good move. I didn’t realise it at the time because LM don’t blow their own trumpet but the big improvement to the whole world scenery was very welcome.

    The aircraft I fly in P3D aren’t available in MSFS and won’t be for a long time. I’ve never taken to Airbus feeling it’s more like a flying computer and could never get used to using a side-stick. My Fulcrum yoke is superb for Boeing and Concorde.

    I’m also unusual in that I’m happy to fly into / out of default airports. That opens up the world far more than just using 3rd party airports. I have plenty of course but never enough. Each to their own and I will never question those who prefer MSFS over other sims.

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  • Wingview
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    RayP You don't have to defend yourself like others shouldn't judge which sim to use. But even in P3D forums there is the discussion over 4.5 or 5.3 A bit of a Boeing/Airbus thing.
    For each sim there are pro's and cons. It took me 2 years to swallow the bullet to change and buying a new gpu and sceneries all over again... and I never regretted it for a second. The immersion of flying is so much better which was for me the most important thing. But I don't use the Concorde but the slomo A320 and 737, otherwise I would have stayed with P3D too.

    John Ruisch

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  • Ephedrin
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    Originally posted by 737NG4EVER View Post
    The only thing i miss like hell from p3dv5, is historical weather, now that we fortunately have pmdg 737 in msfs.
    True, many things are still heavily WIP and the weather and WX API is certainly one of them. Asobo listen to us however and they have promised and already done a lot of the conmunity‘s requests. If historical weather will come is unknown but the request is large. It wouldn‘t be a real problem for the system on Asobo‘s side I suppose since all they do is interpret Meteoblue‘s data. But the key will be to get realtime access to a database of historical weather data and stream it to anyone who asks for it. The focus for now is certainly the „live“ experience though and I expect them to finetune that first. But there is a lot of time to fill.

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  • Jude Bradley
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    My biggest issue with P3D was the moire effect particularly on PMDG aircraft gauges at night-time. That and the bad lighting.

  • RayP
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    Originally posted by 737NG4EVER View Post
    The only thing i miss like hell from p3dv5, is historical weather, now that we fortunately have pmdg 737 in msfs.
    One of the reasons I won’t touch it for serious flights. Live in the U.K. and fly out of LAX at 11:00 local you’re seeing LIVE weather which means 02:00Z weather for a daytime departure. Nighttime weather in daytime! Yep, totally realistic.

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  • 737NG4EVER
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    The only thing i miss like hell from p3dv5, is historical weather, now that we fortunately have pmdg 737 in msfs.

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  • VBHB
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    SU10 clown.

  • VBHB
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    MSFS is king.

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  • Ephedrin
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    Avsim probably

  • tankjohnson
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    Originally posted by DD_Arthur View Post

    Google ‘flightsim.to’ and judge for yourself 👍
    Yeah, I use MSFS myself. But I don't use P3D, and I can't find the P3D version of flightsim.to, so that's why I was asking. What is the best website for P3D freeware add-ons, that is the P3D version of flightsim.to?

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  • RichardMcDonaldWoods
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    I can only speak for airports so far. I have 238 free airport sceneries installed from flightsim.to using the MSFS Addons Linker and they look amazing. Far more airports than I remember when I used to use FSX and P3D.

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  • DD_Arthur
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    Originally posted by tankjohnson View Post

    Is this true? MSFS has more freeware add-ons at this point, than P3D does? Can somebody who owns P3D and MSFS confirm this?
    Google ‘flightsim.to’ and judge for yourself 👍

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  • Ephedrin
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    Originally posted by tankjohnson View Post

    Is this true? MSFS has more freeware add-ons at this point, than P3D does? Can somebody who owns P3D and MSFS confirm this?
    John,

    go to flightsim.to and have a look yourself. Check the yellow addons section in the official MSFS forum. The number of people who create freeware has decreased since the early days as these freeware creaters have started to make payware and some simply stopped doing it when others stole their stuff and sold it. But the number is still huge and much better in comparison. Of course it depends on the type of addons you‘re after. But one (official) example: the inibuilds Airbus A310 which has been sold with huge successs and amazing quality for XPlane will come as native MSFS aircraft.. for FREE! Every world update adds huge areas in much higher quality, sometimes with large airports. Free of charge. You really don‘t have to pay anything for this sim except the initial purchase if you don‘t want to. Heck, even highly detailed payware addons like the PMDG 737 are much cheaper now.

    There are many „developers“ now who in my opinion don‘t deserve that name, who put premium prices on garbage work. Others copied their work from P3d over and asked for more money than in P3d but that‘s rare and some research on our side reveals it quickly. Just don‘t be a „day one purchaser“ and you should be fine.

    And last but not least there are developers from the P3d era who used to build rather facile addons, not much depth, not much effort who have massively stepped up their game. And some of the freeware modders don‘t need to be afraid of the comparision. I really recommend the JPLogistics C152 or MrTommyMXR‘s Da40 and Da62 mods. This sim is worth to be flown in real VFR.

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  • Kevin Hall
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    P3D wasn't particularly well supplied with freeware scenery in my experience. Often you could only find FSX freeware for an airport and it usually didn't appear correctly in P3D. I got quite adept at fixing some things like taxiways but overall it wasn't great. With MSFS there are a lot of people working on freeware, so lots of free airports are available. The problem can be support for system updates, so you might find an airport stops working properly as the base sim changes.

    Whether there's actually more freeware than in P3D I can't say for sure, but I've always been able to find the scenery i needed in MSFS. The default scenery is usually better the P3D too which is a big factor in its favour.

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  • tankjohnson
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    Originally posted by Ephedrin View Post
    One thing to consider:

    There is a huge (!!) amount of freeware available in a quality that puts P3D payware to shame. Both as mods for default aircraft and scenery. Get the freeware, enjoy and never look back.

    just accept that the user interface is rubbish and focus on the sim itself.
    Is this true? MSFS has more freeware add-ons at this point, than P3D does? Can somebody who owns P3D and MSFS confirm this?

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  • EvantheKidDS
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    I'm leaning closer over to P3D because, the devs of MSFS are still stuborn to add an option to use controls to how you would fly in FSX (I.E. the Mouse Yoke)

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  • tamadeez
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    Bad guess, lol

  • RayP
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    Having spent hundreds of pounds on aircraft and scenery for P3D v4 and v5 I’m not about to drop that and switch to a new simulator that has great scenery but nothing else better than I can get with P3D v5.

    Default ATC cannot compare to Radar Contact, Active Sky gives me historical weather and the DCD Concorde is a pale imitation of the soon to be released FS Labs Concorde for P3D v5.

    And the PMDG737 NGXu has a weather radar. When will Asobo open up the weather engine to third party developers? Never is my guess.

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  • Lanica
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    Originally posted by mkkk View Post

    Some people get touchy with change lol. Same thing happened when people moved from horse and cart to motorised vehicles :-) What am I gonna do with all this hay I've spent money on?!? ;-)
    Very good analogy. Keep in mind there are even today many places a horse can take you a car can't and this is why I am keeping my P3D versions 4 and 5 through the foreseeable future. I am a radial engine transport aficionado and purchased this week the JF C46 Commando. Had a ball learning to master this muscle bird on the ground and in the air, flying up and down the Florida Keys. Never give up my A2A Connie, Aeroplane Heaven C119 and DC3, Manfred Jan C47, freeware Convair 440, my Milviz Otter as well as A2A singles or the PMDG DC6 l which I have purchased three different times. (FSX, P3DV4,and MSFS). Heck, sometimes I consider reinstalling FSX just to buy the A2A Stratocruiser I've admired over the years.
    Speaking of Florida I have a plethora of MSE photo scenery with autogen which IMO comes very close to MSFS. Areas where I don't have Photo scenery I have the ORBX Global with Land Classes not to mention tons of airports.
    When I get the yen for some modern FMC birds I have all the PMDG Boeings among others from other developers and they already have the EFB, weather radar and all the other bells and whistles with out sitting around waiting for these enhancements to come forth in a new platform. So you see, my horse is a thoroughbred and that's why I'm keeping her.
    I know this statement is not much help to the OP, so I'll say if I were a young fella starting in this hobby, I would probably go with MSFS and grow with that as addons come forth.
    Last edited by Lanica; 18Jun2022, 20:41.

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  • FlyByWire
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    I used FSX/P3D/XP11 but didn’t touch MSFS till PMDG released the 700. Well… I have a decent PC and the visuals are just stunning. 45-60 FPS no matter where I go at 1440P ultra wide.
    As I write this FSX and P3D are being shelved. I’m probably gonna keep XP11 for the 767 for now but that’s about it.
    I’ve been swimming for good 14 years now and MSFS is just on another level. I’m no pilot so all those “I’m a pilot for 150 years now and MSFS is garbage cause…” arguments really mean nothing to me and I love it as it even though the future looks even better.
    No addons beside simple traffic and pmdg.


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  • Timma
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    For me I had no issues with msfs, performance is great, no ctd's not yet. P3d went straight to the bin

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  • kvuo75
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    i still dont know why people consider the platform "the sim".

    the real "sim" to me is the aircraft simulation. the platform is just the operating system, the environment it runs in, the scenery generator.

    right now most of the aircraft i want to fly are only available for p3d. msfs now has a grand total of 2 aircraft available from my fleet. the 700 and the fenix 320. however even the same pmdg aircraft (the 737) has more features in p3d than it does in msfs.

    i just dont know why someone who enjoys all the pmdg fleet would delete it all and quit flying them just because one of their airframes is available for a new platform.





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  • AndreH
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    Intersting how things can be different for different users. For me MSFS is the sim that "just works" and P3D the one where something was always wrong, not working/loading/connecting etc. or sudden unexplainable performance drops etc. Could never get it right despite modest settings and relatively simple setup (for P3D).

  • vhaaland
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    I have switched to MSFS fulltime after the PMDG 737 and Fenix A320 was released. Prior to that, I used MSFS with the FBW A320, and P3D with my PMDG aircraft.

    Simply because of the visuals, I prefer MSFS of the two now, when it works.

    And that's my only real issue with MSFS at the moment - it has stability issues. Lately it has been disconnecting and reconnecting very frequent. Many flight's lately has been ruined by a dialogue box popping up, even during landing sequence informing me the sim has lost connection. When that box has focus, my stick input even get cancelled ruining the flight. I expect this issue to be temporary until their servers get better, hopefully.

    Perhaps I will switch back to P3D from time to time until the rest of the PMDG aircraft is available in MSFS.

    It's a good time for us simmers with all the choices we have now!

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  • mglan80
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    I still use P3D for everything except a quick hour or so joy ride in a warbird and the occasional short hop in the DC-6. I can't pause MSFS so I don't use it for flights more than an hour. That cuts out just about everything.

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  • Boomer
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    I have both, and FSX too BTW.

    For flying my PMDG 744/8 (my preferred mount), P3Dv5 is still the only option, and with tons of payware add-ons looks good at the airports and from altitude andso is perfectly usable for me.

    MSFS may look better overall but the only PMDG bird avail for it right now is the 737 and though I bought it, I HATE that bird.

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  • Miksu1977
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    Haven't even opened P3D since Maddog, B737-700 and Fenix Airbus was released for MSFS 🤣 Eagerly waiting on B737-800 and 747/777..i only keep P3D for those addons that aren't available for MSFS.
    Last edited by Miksu1977; 14Jun2022, 16:40.

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  • PelicanEagle
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    Agreed 100% it is a pure magic to have MSFS! P3D eh; it is HISTORY

  • RayP
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    I’m not rising to the bait.
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