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    US Airlines Fleet Questions

    The 3 big US carriers all have the 737 family and A320 family at their disposal. Whilst I understand operators swap equipment dependant on needs, do AAL, DAL or UAL have specific bases for each a/c type. For example does AAL only operate/base the 737 from JFK, MIA and LAX and the A320, DFW, ORD, CLT for example? Is there anyway to find this information.

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    Joe Colehouse

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    Originally posted by EasternT3 View Post
    The 3 big US carriers all have the 737 family and A320 family at their disposal. Whilst I understand operators swap equipment dependant on needs, do AAL, DAL or UAL have specific bases for each a/c type. For example does AAL only operate/base the 737 from JFK, MIA and LAX and the A320, DFW, ORD, CLT for example? Is there anyway to find this information.

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    I would assume.you need to get in contact with network planning / fleet planning. SLC I know has the 739s for delta. But it's hard to say. Best confirmation and how it's done if finding out someone who works in the appropriate department for that area.
    Alex Kulak
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    • EasternT3
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      Thanks Alex

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    One other suggestion, follow the tail number of a specific aircraft on FlightAware and watch that planes circuits over a period of days might give you some idea of the aircrafts domicile or base. It might give you an idea where the circuits seem to begin and end in a repetitive course.
    Victor Green

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      Thanks Victor

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    Well, the concept of "bases" applies more to crew than airplanes. The airplanes aren't really based anywhere; they fly around the system as necessary for revenue generation, and are positioned as necessary for mx. You would likely find that an aircraft type spent marginally more time flying in and out of a hub where its pilots are domiciled, simply because the trips have to be built that way for crew swap purposes, but it wouldn't be as obvious of a difference as you might think.

    You could probably troll Airline Pilot Central for information on where the pilots of various fleet types are domiciled, but be aware that this can change often and what you find may not be up to date. For instance, my airline has had an SFO base for airbus pilots since our merger, but the bid that's currently out will close that base, move the remaining busses to LAX, and open an SFO Boeing base.

    I guess the short answer is that where pilots are domiciled doesn't have very much to do with where the airplanes fly.
    Andrew Crowley

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      Well, where the pilots are domiciled actually has a lot to do with where the airplanes fly, at least in the sense that for an airline to have, or open, say a 737 base anywhere, there has to be a good deal of 737 activity there. That is, many departures (and, of course, corresponding arrivals). Otherwise, the crew would have to deadhead on many trip pairings out of that airport to get to a place where they could mount a 737 and start working. Stearmandriver above is otherwise correct in his statement that bases applies to crews, not to airplanes.

      There have been instances, over the years, where a particular airplane type was flown out of one or maybe two airports - in my early days with AA, when we had 747's, they were all flown between JFK and LAX during much of the time they remained on the property (although from time to time they worked schedules to SFO and also SJU, depending upon the traffic flows). The maintenance for them was at JFK and LAX, and that is perhaps the main sense in which we can think of airplanes being "based" somewhere.

      If the original poster is interested in where crews are domiciled, this is more easily obtained - any website serving pilot applicants will have a complete rundown of each airline's crew bases, and these do not change frequently due to the cost of moving crewmembers around. The 737, at least at the big 3, is so ubiquitous that just about every pilot domicile will probably have some 737 crews based there.
      Tony Vallillo

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        Thank you for the information, FR24 seems to be providing some useful information
        Joe Colehouse

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          #7
          Originally posted by Tony Vallillo View Post
          Well, where the pilots are domiciled actually has a lot to do with where the airplanes fly, at least in the sense that for an airline to have, or open, say a 737 base anywhere, there has to be a good deal of 737 activity there. That is, many departures (and, of course, corresponding arrivals). Otherwise, the crew would have to deadhead on many trip pairings out of that airport to get to a place where they could mount a 737 and start working. Stearmandriver above is otherwise correct in his statement that bases applies to crews, not to airplanes.

          There have been instances, over the years, where a particular airplane type was flown out of one or maybe two airports - in my early days with AA, when we had 747's, they were all flown between JFK and LAX during much of the time they remained on the property (although from time to time they worked schedules to SFO and also SJU, depending upon the traffic flows). The maintenance for them was at JFK and LAX, and that is perhaps the main sense in which we can think of airplanes being "based" somewhere.

          If the original poster is interested in where crews are domiciled, this is more easily obtained - any website serving pilot applicants will have a complete rundown of each airline's crew bases, and these do not change frequently due to the cost of moving crewmembers around. The 737, at least at the big 3, is so ubiquitous that just about every pilot domicile will probably have some 737 crews based there.
          Tony, are any 737 crews based out of Charlotte? That's where I start a lot of my sim flights since it is near my home. KCLT being a former USAIR domicile I know American acquired a lot of Busses during the merger and have wondered if Charlotte is exclusively Air Bus crews who came over with the merger. From what I see 737-800s flying through Charlotte seem to come from other large AAL crew bases. Just curious .
          Victor Green

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          • Tony Vallillo
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            I'll have to see if I still have access to one of the official websites. I would imagine that CLT would be an Airbus base since USAir had fewer 737's by the time of the merger, but one never knows about these things. Of course, that is one of the best parts of flight simulation - you are running your own airline and you can have "bases" wherever you want. Or you can merely simulate an out of base crew picking up a flight after a layover in CLT, which I'm sure happens!

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          Originally posted by Tony Vallillo View Post
          Well, where the pilots are domiciled actually has a lot to do with where the airplanes fly, at least in the sense that for an airline to have, or open, say a 737 base anywhere, there has to be a good deal of 737 activity there. That is, many departures (and, of course, corresponding arrivals).
          Well sure, but my point was that when you're talking about narrowbody fleets like the 737, they fly everywhere anyway, so crew bases will get marginally more traffic than a non-domicile hub, but it won't be *that* striking of a difference.

          If you're talking about heavies that only have a limited route structure then sure, there are non-domicile bases that will never see a certain fleet type. But the narrowbodies will be in and out of all hubs, domicile or not.
          Andrew Crowley

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          Seven Threes fly all over the place? You don’t say … Every one of these is a Seven Three of some flavor over North America right now (current ADS-B data as of a minute or two ago).

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