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[03JUN22] PMDG 737 for MSFS Update to 3.00.0020 is released

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    #61
    Great update! Thank you guys.
    Martin Childs

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      #62
      Not sure if this is possible... (I am sure that this has been thought of 🙃)

      Would it be possible to make a selection in the OPS center where you can choose between the PMDG/Default mouse controls that would automatically copy the needed files over?
      <-------------->
      Mike Murawski
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      • rsrandazzo
        #62.1
        rsrandazzo commented
        04Jun2022, 07:00
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        Mike- We were talking about this just the other day. I was not part of the discussion and didn't track where the discussion went but I'll bring it up again during our wednesday meeting. I agree with you that such a thing might simplify the process for users- and that would be good. I'm mostly totally ignorant of any technical challenges tho so I don't want to get dumb and say "oh that is easy." - RSR
      #63
      Has the unstable LNAV been fixed?
      Kim young ju

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      • Ephedrin
        #63.1
        Ephedrin commented
        04Jun2022, 05:59
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        This will probably be part of the big LNAV/VNAV update.
      #64
      Updated the airplane, rebooted, launched to fully loaded on runway. Killed the sim, loaded again as per the instructions and completed my first flight post update.

      I still am experiencing flickering display units, particularly the Captain ND display unit. I hear speed trim running excessively but I need to confirm this with more flights.

      No changes to the taxi handling, I understand we have to wait for SU10 for this but still disappointing. LNAV/VNAV hunting or accuracy still needs polishing, this may be in the works but had to comment.

      Loading the cold and dark panel state, starting engines, EGT registered high 200s or near 250. This doesn't seem correct for a cold airplane sitting on the ramp for an hour.

      I read the full fix list, but I am waiting for the next update to fully enjoy the sim.

      Edit:

      I am getting 40fps locked though at ultra and 4K. That is excellent.

      Thank you.
      Last edited by Boeing 25-01; 04Jun2022, 06:35.
      Angelo Cosma
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        #65
        To make it clearer, you may need to actually power up the airplane to get the sounds to work properly, not just load in.

        I loaded it at a local airport first. I waited for it to load, but didn't actually power it up. I was expecting it to take a while, and after seeing the first NOTAM about the sounds, I figured it would be a good idea.

        Then I went to another airport. On takeoff and climb, the sounds did not sound like a 737. I'm not a pilot, but I've been a passenger on many 737s. I thought the sounds were worse than before the update, but others in a chat were saying how it was so much better. It was missing that higher pitched hum you get at takeoff and climb.

        I didn't think about it being the sound issue from the NOTAM, because I had already loaded the airplane once. Then I did another flight, and the sounds are now even better than before! I did another flight, and the sounds are excellent.

        Excellent update! I really enjoy flying this, and look forward to future improvements and the -800! 😀
        Tim Wells

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        • rsrandazzo
          #65.1
          rsrandazzo commented
          04Jun2022, 07:03
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          Tim- I'm trying to grok what you did the first time. Can you explain it again in hopes i can understand how it got botched the first time? I want to be sure we give the best guidance possible so others don't hit the same knee-knocker. - RSR
        #66
        Originally posted by jg175 View Post
        Please please add more weathering to the cockpit textures. They look sterile and unrealistic. It would add to the immersion.
        Jose,

        The only way we could give you more immersion with this set would be to add the new airplane smell.

        These textures were made using a high resolution photogrammetry scan of the flight deck of an actual airplane in the hangar at the conclusion of it's first month in service. (Might have been a week... it was new. It smelled new.) This flight deck is an actual airplane. We gave it to you as we found it.

        The 777 we used was 15 years old at the time we scanned it. It shows much more aging and we intend to give it to you as it is.

        The 747-400 we scanned had been in service 30 years. You will be shocked at how poorly the surfaces of the panels look in places.

        But it will give you a broad feel for what age does to the airplanes. We also have a <type removed> full scanned and ready for build out that was 25 years old. And a <type deleted> that was brand new from factory and not yet flown in service.

        Boeing has very strict requirements on what we allow and what we do with the cockpit textures, so that does kind of put some limitations on us. It is also worth noting that Microsoft themselves have in their Marketplace language that "cockpit and airplane must be in an as-new condition" which seems like a ridiculous requirement when you consider that we handed them a 65 year old DC-6 with a nicely worn in cockpit and they didn't gripe. Our legal counsel flagged that language early on as "highly unusual and limiting." We brought it to MS' attention and they did the corporate version of avoiding eye contact- so I suppose they don't intend to enforce the clause... Not that it played a role in our airplane selection. We scanned the airplane that was put before us. Beggars can't be choosy as they say?

        Robert S. Randazzo
        PMDG Simulations
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        • jg175
          #66.1
          jg175 commented
          04Jun2022, 07:26
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          Fair enough Rob. Thanks for the explanation. Can’t wait for what you have in store!
        • EasternT3
          #66.2
          EasternT3 commented
          04Jun2022, 10:57
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          757 and 787 confirmed then captain
        #67
        PMDG are the best thanks guys
        Angus Rowlands 9700K RTX 2080 windows 11 home 32GB Ram

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        • rsrandazzo
          #67.1
          rsrandazzo commented
          04Jun2022, 07:57
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          Angus- Thanks. :-) - RSR
        #68
        Ya'll really gotta figure out the laggy flight controls and poor wing flex. It's killing the immersion. Everything else is great

        -Thomas R

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          #69
          Uninstalled Xplane after this release. Pmdg+msfs on ultra settings is the next gen experience I was hoping for.

          -Tamati F
          3900x - 6700xt - LG C1

          Tamati Fitzpatrick
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            #70
            Hello everyone, I would like to thank the PMDG TEAM for continuing to make products that in my opinion have always been a milestone over the years, and will always be a point of reference in future years. There are and always will be complaints, but it is undeniable that no other product is like yours. Unfortunately, most simmers pay close attention to what concerns the graphics of the plane instead of appreciating the efforts of a correct aerodynamics and flight behavior of the plane. Randazzo in several interviews has clearly stated what are the problems of having to deal with an SDK that begs knowledge towards third-party producers and MICROSOFT itself which in my opinion would only have to gain by allowing third-party producers to be able to develop their products freely. Having said that I hope and believe that PMDG is always willing to listen and do everything possible to improve what is already at the top of the simulation. A big handshake to the whole PMDG team for the work they do for all of us. Thank you.

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              #71
              Robert.

              You guys are creating real issues for me.
              We two, are on a long awaited trip.

              But, I can't help myself and I continue to blurt out, "I wish I was home", which results in expensive "that's not what I meant" restaurant dinners.

              The update for the -700 will obviously make the already good, even better.

              And the -600, I am sure that there is something wiser than WOW to say. She'll surely be spectacular!

              I am truly having lots of fun, but I can't wait to be back home.

              Well done guys!!
              Roberto

              Roberto Stopnicki
              Toronto, Canada

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                #72
                Just doing my first sector. The Autobrake knob animation feels a bit off, slow maybe? Not anywhere near as snappy as the engine knobs on the overhead.
                Sincerely,

                Wojtek Pietrusiewicz

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                  #73
                  This is weird:

                  - Arriving into GCLP/03L on the ILS.
                  - Set my courses to 26 deg, freq. to 109.9 for the ILS.
                  - After pressing APP, both courses changed to 25. CRS knobs don't change the courses while APP is active.

                  Is this some feature that's active in the PMDG Options in the FMS or unintended behaviour? I've never seen a 737 do this nor should it be able to change the CRS on its own, right?
                  Sincerely,

                  Wojtek Pietrusiewicz

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                    #74
                    Something is broken with the nosewheel animation and taxiing is nowhere near as good or smooth as it was.

                    I'm doing 2 kts, fully turned nosewheel, aircraft not turning... or turning very slowly. Won't do a turn without differential braking.

                    NW steering confirmed set to Rudder axis only.
                    Last edited by Moridin; 04Jun2022, 10:03.
                    Sincerely,

                    Wojtek Pietrusiewicz

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                      #75
                      Originally posted by Moridin View Post
                      This is weird:

                      - Arriving into GCLP/03L on the ILS.
                      - Set my courses to 26 deg, freq. to 109.9 for the ILS.
                      - After pressing APP, both courses changed to 25. CRS knobs don't change the courses while APP is active.

                      Is this some feature that's active in the PMDG Options in the FMS or unintended behaviour? I've never seen a 737 do this nor should it be able to change the CRS on its own, right?
                      Take a look at the introduction,pdf page 0.00.75
                      SET MSFS LOC CRS:
                      snipt..
                      "if the LOC course is not correctly set to match the MSFS hard-coded information. (The airplane cannot fly the localizer properly if the CRS knob is set incorrectly.) To compensate for this, we recommend setting this option to ON, and we will read the appropriate MSFS localizer course and adjust the setting for you, thus saving you time and frustration. "


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                      • Moridin
                        #75.1
                        Moridin commented
                        04Jun2022, 10:32
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                        I had this option set before but it never did this. So I assume GCLP is the first airport I flew into that neede this fix? Thanks for the heads up - didn't know that was what caused it.
                      #76
                      Summary:

                      1. Autobrake dial/knob animation seems to be slow/strange, especially at 60 fps, compared to e.g. engine dial/knob on overhead.

                      2. Strange MCP behaviour (supposedly because of the MSFS LOC fix, never experienced this before and I have 44 flights logged on the 737):
                      - Arriving into GCLP/03L on the ILS.
                      - Set my courses to 26 deg, freq. to 109.9 for the ILS.
                      - After pressing APP, both courses changed to 25. CRS knobs don't change the courses while APP is active.

                      3. Something is broken with the nosewheel animation and taxiing is nowhere near as good or smooth as it was. Aircraft NW seems to be pushed by the rear, never fully connecting with the tarmac. Friction issue? Differential braking needed in turns where it was perfect before this update. Please revert to last update's NW steering / taxiing logic. Video to demonstrate how weird it looks now (+ note the animation problem): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83bAdtDxJQ0
                      Last edited by Moridin; 04Jun2022, 10:33.
                      Sincerely,

                      Wojtek Pietrusiewicz

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                        #77
                        Checking out the new update on a short ENBO - ENTC hop. Happy flights!
                        ENTO.png
                        Luis Linares
                        i9-6700K, GTX 2080Ti, 64GB DDR4

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                        • StachM
                          #77.1
                          StachM commented
                          04Jun2022, 15:16
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                          Clouds or smoke?
                        • LuisKMIA
                          #77.2
                          LuisKMIA commented
                          04Jun2022, 17:21
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                          Clouds during most of the journey
                        #78
                        No rudder fix for a 100 dollar airplane after two weeks for a gamepad that is included in the SDK? Fenix had it fixed in five minutes after release. Just flight has put out 5 updates already and fixed almost the entire plane. We don't need an Asobo dev to fix the frelling gamepad.

                        Extremely disappointed... No sense patching or flying it. Just get it fixed. Tired of silly excuses. All this praise and can't even get a rudder working that works in 145 other planes just fine including the frelling DC6.
                        Jared Koscinski AX75
                        i7-8086K 32GB 1080Ti 11GB
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                        • Murf7413
                          #78.1
                          Murf7413 commented
                          04Jun2022, 17:27
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                          Well Kurt, if you think you can get it working to your standards I am quite sure PMDG would be eternally grateful!!! As if they aren't on it already!!! How about getting an actual rudder controller... even an inexpensive would work wonders!! Just saying...

                          Being accusatory doesn't do ANY good!!! Don't like it... don't use it!!!
                          Last edited by Murf7413; 04Jun2022, 17:38.
                        • Valle777
                          #78.2
                          Valle777 commented
                          04Jun2022, 21:57
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                          Kurt, I completely agree with you. CRJ had the same issue und even Aerosoft fixed that in 2 days with an hot fix. To be honest I love the PMDG products since FSX but being not able to use a bought product since the release is realy frustrating.
                          I realy realy hope this will be solved with an hot fix.
                          Valentin Da SIlva
                        #79
                        Originally posted by Moridin View Post
                        Summary:

                        1. Autobrake dial/knob animation seems to be slow/strange, especially at 60 fps, compared to e.g. engine dial/knob on overhead.

                        2. Strange MCP behaviour (supposedly because of the MSFS LOC fix, never experienced this before and I have 44 flights logged on the 737):
                        - Arriving into GCLP/03L on the ILS.
                        - Set my courses to 26 deg, freq. to 109.9 for the ILS.
                        - After pressing APP, both courses changed to 25. CRS knobs don't change the courses while APP is active.

                        3. Something is broken with the nosewheel animation and taxiing is nowhere near as good or smooth as it was. Aircraft NW seems to be pushed by the rear, never fully connecting with the tarmac. Friction issue? Differential braking needed in turns where it was perfect before this update. Please revert to last update's NW steering / taxiing logic. Video to demonstrate how weird it looks now (+ note the animation problem): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83bAdtDxJQ0
                        Should I file a ticket via support or is this enough for you to pinpoint it? Did another test on the passenger variant and it does the same thing.
                        Sincerely,

                        Wojtek Pietrusiewicz

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                          #80
                          Hi PMDG,

                          Wonderful work as always although we know there is still a long way to go. I just wanted to comment that the artificial horinzote screen flickering problem continues, before only the first officer, now both.

                          Have a good weekend
                          Alejandro AD ʕ•́ᴥ•̀ʔ

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                            #81
                            No rudder fix for xbox xontroller?
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                              #82
                              Originally posted by AlejandroAD View Post
                              Hi PMDG,

                              Wonderful work as always although we know there is still a long way to go. I just wanted to comment that the artificial horinzote screen flickering problem continues, before only the first officer, now both.

                              Have a good weekend
                              This waits Asobo to provide the fix hopefully on SU10. There is nothing that can be done from our side
                              Chris Makris (Olympic260)
                              PMDG Technical Support
                              http://www.pmdg.com

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                                #83
                                Originally posted by Nixxx View Post
                                No rudder fix for xbox xontroller?

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                                Robert wrote he is working on it. It is not an easy fix
                                Chris Makris (Olympic260)
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                                  #84
                                  Originally posted by Moridin View Post

                                  Should I file a ticket via support or is this enough for you to pinpoint it? Did another test on the passenger variant and it does the same thing.
                                  Ticket please
                                  Chris Makris (Olympic260)
                                  PMDG Technical Support
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                                    #85
                                    Maybe it’s just me personally but holy moly performance has improved dramatically after installing this update :-)

                                    PMDG team, you’re awesome!
                                    Alex Pescar | Aviation Enthusiast

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                                      #86
                                      Didn't have time to see everything (obviously) but the most striking thing is the love given to landings gears and bays, are very much appreciated here.
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                                      Cédrice Rive 747, MD11, 737, 777

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                                      • PelicanEagle
                                        #86.1
                                        PelicanEagle commented
                                        04Jun2022, 20:27
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                                        There is a brake assy safety wire missing looking aft, this wire is to prevent the brake assy dangerously become loose in case of tire failure
                                      #87
                                      This is a fabulous update, I certainly love the sounds, tinted windows got a nice touch. Get that steering fixed and we will be laughing.
                                      Last edited by Angus; 04Jun2022, 15:55.
                                      Angus Rowlands 9700K RTX 2080 windows 11 home 32GB Ram

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                                        #88
                                        We need the rudder fixed for controller users! It’s been almost a month with no fix! I’ll be looking for a refund soon as it is unacceptable to pay for a non functioning product.
                                        Will Matos
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                                        • nztradester@gmail.com
                                          #88.2
                                          [email protected] commented
                                          05Jun2022, 00:53
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                                          Get some rudder peals or better still a Tiller. Gamepad lol
                                        • Toyotale
                                          #88.3
                                          Toyotale commented
                                          05Jun2022, 05:16
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                                          Murf7413 @[email protected] No need to be so hostile towards him. We know that rsrandazzo said it's being investigated and it'll take some time to fix which I completely understand but there's no need to crap on him for using a gamepad.
                                        • Murf7413
                                          #88.4
                                          Murf7413 commented
                                          05Jun2022, 15:06
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                                          I could care less what equipment is being used. The point is if it isn't working, find another way around it until it's fixed. What is so irritating is the spoiled kid in Willy Wonka mentality (The original) "I want it... and I want it NOW" or I'm going to throw a fit!!!
                                        #89
                                        Originally posted by multimediawill View Post
                                        We need the rudder fixed for controller users! It’s been almost a month with no fix! I’ll be looking for a refund soon as it is unacceptable to pay for a non functioning product.
                                        There's two posts from Robert himself stating it's still being investigated. Is this not enough. Also, I'm not sure you can get a refund once you've already activated it.

                                        [03JUN22] PMDG 737 for MSFS Update to 3.00.0020 is released - PMDG Simulations
                                        https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/main-forum/general-discussion-news-and-announcements/194282-03jun22-pmdg-737-for-msfs-update-to-3-00-0020-is-released?p=194525#post194525
                                        Captains, Back in March as we began to introduce you to our new PMDG 737 for MSFS product line, I mentioned that we were going to fundamentally change the way we approach product rollouts by bringing the 737 to you as a rolling development cycle. The idea came about because all of us (well- nearly all of us!) at PMDG are DCS

                                        [04JUN22] PMDG 737-600 Dev Update: The Short-Body Wonder Twin of Full Sized Airliners. - PMDG Simulations
                                        https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/main-forum/general-discussion-news-and-announcements/194517-04jun22-pmdg-737-600-dev-update-the-short-body-wonder-twin-of-full-sized-airliners?p=194544#post194544
                                        Captains, In keeping with my update from last weekend, I'd like to introduce you to our new Wonder Twin, the PMDG 737-600 for MSFS This is our third product for Microsoft Flight Simulator, and our second of four PMDG 737 Next Generation for Microsoft Flight Simulator. She happens to be a favorite of the team because she is a
                                        Captain Kevin

                                        Kevin Yang

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                                        #90
                                        Thanks for the update Rob, I notice the screens pop up, but is there a way to have a pop up CDU with the keyboard etc like in P3D versions?
                                        Alan Norris
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                                        • DrVenkman
                                          #90.1
                                          DrVenkman commented
                                          04Jun2022, 18:36
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                                          For now at least AviaCDU works great with any device that supports a web browser on your local network - €10 / $12 or so. You can’t use your keyboard but it’s much easier to punch buttons on a tablet or phone screen with your finger when it’s held comfortably close as you read the flight plan info.
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