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    HUD fix by the end of the week?

    Hi team,

    Will the HUD gets fixed with the late week update? I really would like to use it on Queenstown or Tivat for exemple.

    Also, is there any Youtube tuto video planned by PMDG or made by someone else that can cover this subject?

    Cheers
    Benjamin MATHON
    Abidjan, Ivory Coast

    #2
    What's wrong with the HUD?
    Yoshi Elder

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      #3
      Originally posted by Yoshua View Post
      What's wrong with the HUD?
      Flight path symbol is skewed to the left and the lines following runway goes to the right, it's on the PDF tutorial page 65

      Not really usable at the moment
      Benjamin MATHON
      Abidjan, Ivory Coast

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      • Crabby
        Crabby commented
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        Wow, I didn't know this. Guess I will have to stop using it if it is unusable. Thanks for pointing it out!

      #4
      RSR promised us T7 by the weekend. So that'll take priority over hud .
      Aleks Matrosov

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      • Captain Kevin
        Captain Kevin commented
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        If he didn't put it in quotes or add the TM at the end, that would be one thing. But anybody who's been here long enough knows what PMDG's definition of soon actually means. Could be tomorrow, could be next week, could be next month, who knows.

      • JWarner32
        JWarner32 commented
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        My god people are horrible at reading. Nobody promised anyone anything. How people make it this far in life being unable to interpret words is beyond me.

      • matrosov
        matrosov commented
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        itsa called humor y'know haha funny tongue in cheek.

      #5
      Important note: This announcement thread is the usual place where many users will ask "is <that users favorite item> included in the updates?" Please note that we don't answer those questions

      Well, since this question is outside the 14may22 thread...
      Benjamin MATHON
      Abidjan, Ivory Coast

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        #6
        I read this in the manual too and wondered about it, as I don't seem to have a problem. You will occasionally see the runway edge lines in Aiii not aligned exactly with the runway; this is a real-world thing but minor, as shown in the sim in this screenshot. Are you sure you're entering the runway data in the HGS control panel, and then pressing enter? (It's easy to miss pressing enter, as the data entry mode green light that should illuminate, doesn't.)
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          #7
          Originally posted by Stearmandriver View Post
          I read this in the manual too and wondered about it, as I don't seem to have a problem. You will occasionally see the runway edge lines in Aiii not aligned exactly with the runway; this is a real-world thing but minor, as shown in the sim in this screenshot. Are you sure you're entering the runway data in the HGS control panel, and then pressing enter? (It's easy to miss pressing enter, as the data entry mode green light that should illuminate, doesn't.)
          On my side, it's always like the manual, flight path on the PAPI and the runway edge lines are at a different angle. About the control panel, runway length and elevation are both set accurately and in feet, pressing enter after each value. I will try to get some screenshot
          Benjamin MATHON
          Abidjan, Ivory Coast

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          • Stearmandriver
            Stearmandriver commented
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            Just to clarify, I wasn't saying that I don't believe you or anything. I've actually been surprised that mine seem to work out well, after reading that in the manual. Looks like it's another one of those things in this sim that affect people intermittently. I imagine my turn is coming (or maybe hopefully not, if they do fix it this week haha.)

          #8
          Here are some screenshot more or less, I can't send HDR ones :

          Edit, depending of the runway heading, sometime the edge line are veering left or right

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          Last edited by Benjamin.M; 18May2022, 01:10.
          Benjamin MATHON
          Abidjan, Ivory Coast

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          • JWarner32
            JWarner32 commented
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            I get this, too. It's kind of annoying.

          #9
          Do you have this disabled by any chance?
          Attached Files
          Aleks Matrosov

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            #10
            Originally posted by matrosov View Post
            Do you have this disabled by any chance?
            Which one?
            Benjamin MATHON
            Abidjan, Ivory Coast

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              #11
              Originally posted by Benjamin.M View Post

              Which one?
              Sorry, Set MSFS loc course.
              Aleks Matrosov

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                #12
                Originally posted by matrosov View Post

                Sorry, Set MSFS loc course.
                Just checked, it's set to ON
                Benjamin MATHON
                Abidjan, Ivory Coast

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                  #13
                  I would join topic. I have same problem with HUD. I do always set course based on charts that change nothing problem still exists for multuple liveries
                  Cezary Jagiello | I7 12700K | RTX 2070

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                    #14
                    I have same problem with HUD
                    Jiekeng Luo

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                      #15
                      The HUD issue will take some time to fix. There are some issues with Magvar used in the sim and what needs to be read interpolated etc.
                      Chris Makris (Olympic260)
                      PMDG Technical Support
                      http://www.pmdg.com

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                        #16
                        Originally posted by cmakris View Post
                        The HUD issue will take some time to fix.
                        Thanks for the precision.

                        That's a very bad news, it's a base element of this addon . Hope it won't take more than a month
                        Benjamin MATHON
                        Abidjan, Ivory Coast

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                          #17
                          Originally posted by cmakris View Post
                          The HUD issue will take some time to fix. There are some issues with Magvar used in the sim and what needs to be read interpolated etc.
                          Would updating the Magvar from here help? https://www.aero.sors.fr/navaids.html
                          Karsten Sandleben

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                            #18
                            Originally posted by KVSandleben View Post

                            Would updating the Magvar from here help? https://www.aero.sors.fr/navaids.html
                            They seems to have their own magdec under Community\pmdg-aircraft-737\Data\_temp
                            Benjamin MATHON
                            Abidjan, Ivory Coast

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                              #19
                              Originally posted by cmakris View Post
                              The HUD issue will take some time to fix. There are some issues with Magvar used in the sim and what needs to be read interpolated etc.
                              Thanks for chiming in Chris. I'm wondering, is this magvar situation a regional issue in the sim? I ask because I've practiced a bunch of Aiii approaches since the plane released, mostly into KGEG (Spokane, WA), and they work well. The variation here is about 16 degrees E, so definitely enough to notice, yet things line up well.

                              So are there certain locations where the sim has an issue, or a certain type of variation (easterly vs westerly, a certain value) that causes it?

                              Just trying to figure out where not to plan low-vis ops haha. Or is it the standard sim-ism that happens here but not there, for no obvious reason?

                              Thanks. Certainly not a big deal if it's not an easy explanation... I'm just curious.
                              Andrew Crowley

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                                #20
                                Ok, I just did another landing, this time about 500nm south-east of the airport on the last screenshot.

                                But this time the runway heading was 175 and the edge lines were more or less aligned

                                The flight path was still on the PAPI tough.
                                Benjamin MATHON
                                Abidjan, Ivory Coast

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                                  #21
                                  Originally posted by KVSandleben View Post

                                  Would updating the Magvar from here help? https://www.aero.sors.fr/navaids.html
                                  No. There are more than one that are used in the sim and that complicates the situation
                                  Chris Makris (Olympic260)
                                  PMDG Technical Support
                                  http://www.pmdg.com

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                                    #22
                                    Just offering a datapoint: neither of these issues (runway edge lines or flight path vector) seem to exist at KGEG, at least not on my system. I haven't tried it anywhere else yet though.

                                    https://www.twitch.tv/stearmandriver/v/1488871428?sr=a
                                    Andrew Crowley

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                                      #23
                                      Andy- there is still work to do, but I am glad to see you enjoying her.
                                      Best- Carl Avari-Cooper

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                                        #24
                                        Originally posted by Stearmandriver View Post
                                        Just offering a datapoint: neither of these issues (runway edge lines or flight path vector) seem to exist at KGEG, at least not on my system. I haven't tried it anywhere else yet though.

                                        https://www.twitch.tv/stearmandriver/v/1488871428?sr=a
                                        If you have some spare time, Could you try LFRB, that the airport on my screenshot, same thing happened to me in Bangkok VTBS, but at some airport it's better than other
                                        Benjamin MATHON
                                        Abidjan, Ivory Coast

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                                        • Stearmandriver
                                          Stearmandriver commented
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                                          I will, tomorrow. I expect I'll see the same as you. It's interesting that it's regional like this.

                                        • Benjamin.M
                                          Benjamin.M commented
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                                          Cheers Andrew

                                        #25
                                        Is anyone else see the horizon reference appearing displaced vertically? This isn’t my screenshot, but see the first post in this thread:

                                        https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/main-fo...sfs/189452-hud

                                        I see the same on just about every flight.
                                        Herb Schaltegger - Father, husband, lawyer, engineer & getting too old for this $#!t. Do Not Taunt Happy Fun Ball!TM.

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                                          #26
                                          Originally posted by DrVenkman View Post
                                          Is anyone else see the horizon reference appearing displaced vertically? This isn’t my screenshot, but see the first post in this thread:

                                          https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/main-fo...sfs/189452-hud

                                          I see the same on just about every flight.
                                          I am so focused on approaches that I didn't really look at it. I will tonight

                                          Edit : on my screenshot, the horizon reference seems aligned
                                          Benjamin MATHON
                                          Abidjan, Ivory Coast

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                                            #27
                                            Gents-

                                            Let me explain what causes this:

                                            The global magvar model in MSFS is a mess. To start with, we believe it is likely from 3-5 years ago, which means it is ancient from a magvar standpoint, especially since real world magvar has been shifting quite a bit more rapidly over the past decade. Since the MSFS magvar is outdated, that means that it varies from the magvar used by the navdata, which is much less old (a couple of months.)

                                            In the FSX/P3D environment, we got around this easily by simply reading the magvar of the runway from the BGL and then doing some fancy math to mask the difference visually when viewing through the combiner. Grade school trig that is so easy a chimp can do it.

                                            The problem we run into with MSFS is that MSFS is far more paranoid about letting addon devs read data. The bottom line is that they don't want us to have access to anything "without permission." Instead we are given access to specific pieces of data that we can use.

                                            The magvar that we are "allowed" to read is problematic because someone who clearly doesn't understand the importance of magvar to navigational precision decided that rounding the magvar number to the nearest whole digit would suffice for accuracy.

                                            In some cases, it is not rounded, it is truncated. Which means it can be out a significant amount when you start talking about computing lines of sight out to infinity, which you need to do with a combiner.

                                            We brought this up to Asobo back in August/September of last year. It remains unanswered/open.

                                            We looked at purchasing a worldwide global magvar model- but ruled this out as a solution because what we really need to know is "what is the magvar of the scenery at the location where the airplane is landing?" Unfortunately- unless Asobo is willing to provide access to magvar within the BGL, *or* dump out a magvar model that is accurate to the hundredths decimal place, precision is very hard to do.

                                            It is worth noting that the accuracy is very much local. In places with low rates of change in the magvar data- accuracy is wonderful. In places with more recent or more rapid shifts- it becomes harder for us to give an accurate combiner picture for the conformal stuff.
                                            Robert S. Randazzo
                                            PMDG Simulations
                                            http://www.pmdg.com


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                                            • Benjamin.M
                                              Benjamin.M commented
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                                              Thanks Robert for the explanation.

                                              What about the flight path indicator, it's also dependent on the magvar model or is it an entirely different issue that can be fixed in a couple of weeks?

                                            • rsrandazzo
                                              rsrandazzo commented
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                                              Benjamin- Hey mate- did you eve bother to read my reply? I took some time to give you a very detailed answer (that answered your question below) and you come zinging back with another demand that I do the impossible for you "in a couple of weeks." Seriously, Benjamin... I gave you a thoughtful answer, the least you can do is pretend to read it. - RSR

                                            • Benjamin.M
                                              Benjamin.M commented
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                                              Deleted my reply, If you think that was a demand/order or I don't know what else, it's up to you

                                              I'm out of here
                                              Last edited by Benjamin.M; 21May2022, 15:20.

                                            #28
                                            Has anyone tried this magvar update? Haven't used it since FSX/early P3D days but seems to be available for MSFS.

                                            https://www.aero.sors.fr/navaids.html
                                            Alex Pugh

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                                            • Cleared_4_ILS
                                              Cleared_4_ILS commented
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                                              Chris has answered above.

                                            #29
                                            Originally posted by AirBadger View Post
                                            Has anyone tried this magvar update? Haven't used it since FSX/early P3D days but seems to be available for MSFS.

                                            https://www.aero.sors.fr/navaids.html
                                            Alex-

                                            This is not going to help you for the reasons I outlined in my answer above.

                                            Robert S. Randazzo
                                            PMDG Simulations
                                            http://www.pmdg.com


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                                              #30
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