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    [19APR22] PMDG 737 Development Update: Let's talk about Early Adopter and Continued Maintenance phases

    Captains,

    Good morning and happy Patriot's Day to my fellow Americans. (For those from elsewhere, Patriot's Day is primarily celebrated in the Northeast of the country, in the towns surrounding Boston, Lexington and (my home town) Concord. It commemorates a small squabble back in 1776 during which our American ancestors made some tea for our British friends and then politely escorted them to the exit... )

    Commencing with the release of the PMDG 737-700 for Microsoft Flight Simulator, you are going to hear us referring to the 737 being it's "Early Adopter" period. I wanted to take a few moments to describe for you what this means, and what you can expect from this description that we have never used on previous product releases.

    In the past, we have tended to hold products in development until they are completed, then release them to you and shift development to the next product on our agenda. The PMDG 737 for MSFS development effort has been far different, primarily because this new platform offers us the ability to model so much more than we have traditionally felt was reasonable in the past. This has not been an easy process, as it has required that we learn entirely new ways doing things from us developmentally, forcing upon the team a very heavy load of learning. This learning involves not only just the mechanical process of adapting our code work and methodologies to the new platform, but it also involves learning new tools, development of in house tools, and figuring out what sorts of things we can now do that we have never felt we were able to do previously.

    As we near the end of the closed development period, there are a number of features that will remain in development on the 737 product line for a few months, at least. Specifically I'm talking about items that we likely haven't felt we could provide in the past, such as vivid cabin renditions, better integration between the cockpit and cabin models, highly detailed gear bays, and a few other items that have long been asked for but haven't been reasonable to provide in the Prepar3D environment. Suddenly we have a platform that can handle all of these things with aplomb and we are in the midst of a considerable effort to capitalize as such.

    Early Adopter Period:
    Commencing with the release of the PMDG 737-700 for Microsoft Flight Simulator, we will consider the PMDG 737 for MSFS product line to to be in it's Early Adopter period. Not just the 700, but all four of the Next Generation airplanes will be under nearly continual development, with new features, bug fixes, model and texture improvements, performance optimizations and increasing MSFS integration rolled out in update intervals spaced approximately two weeks apart. During this phase, all released PMDG 737 products for MSFS will get improvements in such things as gear bay modeling, cabin detailing, code improvements and the like, rolled out to you as part of a process to constantly improve the product throughout the Early Adopter period.

    Another example of things that we will be able to undertake during the Early Adopter phase, is a continued improvement program on such things as code optimization, texture work, additional options and the like.

    The Early Adopter period will run approximately 24 weeks (shorter if needed, longer if needed) and will also see the release of the 737-600, 800 and 900 airplane types. With those releases as well, new functionality will be introduced to the 737s and rolled out to all released models simultaneously.

    We anticipate the Early adopter period running six weeks after the release of the PMDG 737-900 for MSFS, at which point the PMDG 737 Next Generation for Microsoft Flight Simulator product line will shift to it's Continued Maintenance phase.

    Continued Maintenance:
    During the Continued Maintenance phase, the PMDG 737 Next Generation for MSFS product line will receive occasional, as-needed updates that are primarily focused on ensuring product compatibility with the platform and new platform features. During the Continued Maintenance period, our primary development focus will be on the next product development cycle (anticipated to be the 777) and the process will repeat for the 777 series of airplanes.

    The goal is to give you a clear understanding that we anticipate continuing to grow and adapt the 737 for a set period of time, with clearly defined objectives, so that you can see new items being added and delivered as planned, while also knowing what our goal looks like and what will cause us to shift primary development focus onward.

    Keeping Things Defined:
    For your sake, and for our sanity, we are going to borrow an idea from the DCS playbook by clearly defining the deliverables that are anticipated to be part of the Early Adopter process. DCS does this with their Early Access products so that customers can clearly see what deliverables must be expected before a product is considered completed in the eyes of the developer. This list will be updated as items are accomplished and if all goes well, we should reach the end of the list approximately six weeks after release of the PMDG 737-900 for MSFS.

    If the process takes longer? Then we keep the development assets focused on the 737 until those items are accomplished, and simply remain in the Early Adopter phase for longer if necessary.

    For example (this is an incomplete sample list) we anticipate having the following items at least:
    • High detail cabin for all passenger variants.
    • High detail cabin for freighter variants.
    • High detail cabin for BBJ variants.
    • High detail gear bays for all models. (have you seen what a mess the gear bays are in the 737?)
    • New flight tablet, to include performance computation process, control of aircraft options/simulation setup currently controlled through FMS menus, among other features.
    Additionally, there are a few deliverable items on our agenda that will require updates to the platform or SDK by Asobo in order for us to complete these items. Many of these are either known to us to be pending from Asobo in a future update, or have been promised to us in specific discussions:
    • Conversion to modern navigraph navdata format (requires C++ debugging capability in the SDK/platform)
    • Integration of new PMDG LNAV 2.0 lateral control model (requires C++ debugging capability in the SDK/platform)
    • Navigraph charts displayed on tablet (requires C++/WASM have access to outside communications in manner allowed for JavaScript products, but possibly unblocked by new technology independently)
    • SimBrief integration via tablet (requires C++/WASM hae access to outside communications, but possibly unblocked by new technology independently)
    • Windshield wiper sweep (advised by Asobo this will be native to platform)
    • Weather radar (requires Asobo to provide access to weather/precip data)
    These lists are not fully inclusive and we may add or remove items as may become necessary from time-to-time, but by clearly defining what we anticipate providing, it gives us all a framework against which to compare or base discussions about changes we may make.

    One thing that is important to note is that we are always looking for un-blockers so if we can unlock something through invented technology, and it makes sense to make such an investment, we will do so. It is also worth noting that if we deliver all of the items we control, we may at our discretion end the Early Adopter period because it makes sense to do so rather than sitting the entire team in place waiting on an un-blocker that isn't imminent. When it happens, it will be clearly communicated that a product has shifted from Early Adopter to Continued Maintenance, which will make it clear to everyone where a product is in it's lifecycle.

    We also have some interesting new ideas pending for the 737 product line that will be added as new features once they are through development and tested by our testing team to ensure they work as anticipated.

    Being Careful With Terminology:
    I want to be careful here that nobody confuses this discussion with "Early Access." Early Access generally is given to products that are not feature complete, or still considered to be early enough in development that users usually expect some level of limitation and inconvenience when attempting to use them. We don't anticipate that being the case with the 737, as it is already fully featured and suited to accomplish it's main goals well and with polish. We are using this period to expand it beyond the initial capabilities delivered, simply because we know that all of our development resources will be dedicated to the product during this particular period.

    "Early Access" periods also tend to be offered at steep discounts, reflecting the incomplete nature of the product. That is also not the case here- and I want to be very clear about that. Development, Early Adopter, Continued Maintenance, End of Life and Removed will be the descriptors used to define how much development attention an product at PMDG is getting at any given time.

    So to Recap:
    One of the well earned criticisms we receive is that there are things we talk about adding to products (777-200ER, for example?) that wind up taking far longer than planned, or simply have failed to be delivered yet at all. This tends to happen because it eventually becomes necessary to move developers to the next product in order to maintain forward progress. While we would love to sit in one place and continue to grant every wish that is wished upon a product, doing so would mean locking us into being a single-product developer, which none of us want for PMDG.

    With this new, more clearly defined and transparent development process we think it gives a much more clearly defined expectation period for deliverables that may necessarily need to come after a product goes into use with customers. More importantly, it clearly communicates what the objectives are for specific products so that you can tell what to expect from us before we shift our primary development focus to the next product in line.

    Of course, we may adapt and improve this program as we put it into place- but I like the clear definitions that this gives us, and also gives to all of you!


    Our goal is to serve you better by more clearly defining what we expect to accomplish, and making clear what the start and stop limits of those expectations will be. This eliminates ambiguity, and we hope reduces potential distrust, thus improving your confidence in our ability not just to deliver a high quality simulation, but also all of the things we promise along the way.


    PMDG_MSFS737_pedstal1.jpg


    Robert S. Randazzo
    PMDG Simulations
    http://www.pmdg.com



    #2
    Thanks Robert ! It’s very clear and transparent. You did a very good job to explain everything clearly. I can’t wait to have this beauty in my hands ! Videos and streams from yesterday were breathtaking !

    Well done PMDG team !

    Sacha

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      #3
      Robert what I see missing in this list atm is CPDLC capabilities. Please consider adding it

      Cemre Can Cayirci
      Cemre Can Cayirci

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      • Ephedrin
        Ephedrin commented
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        Again: it will be part of GFO not of the 737 itself. GFO will activate it in all aircraft at once.

      • meurkel
        meurkel commented
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        For that they need access to the internet which they don't have yet. Falls into the SDK update needed category.

      • ArborVitae
        ArborVitae commented
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        What I'm saying is they mention other stuff that will be a feature with upcoming MSFS updates like LNAV 2.0, modern navdata etc. but they don't mention for a plan to integrate CPDLC. When MSFS updates I don't think all aircrafts will have the capability but the ones who desire it I think.

      #4
      Cheers for the clarity on all of that Robert, really looking forward to getting this rolling out of Glasgow for some sunny destination. Its certainly some amount of work still to be done even after release but I'm confident this will be your finest work.

      Cheers again!
      James Savory.

      Specs - i5-10600K | Asus Dual 2060 | 32gb HyperX Fury ddr4 3600 (4x8) | NZXT X73 360mm AIO | 2 x 4TB Barracuda 3.5'S | 2 X 500GB 970 EVO+ M.2's | O11 EVO | Z490 Gaming Carbon WiFi

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      • captjohnmcr
        captjohnmcr commented
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        Will be flying from Sunny Prestwick as soon as the gate opens

      #5

      All nicely said.
      Tomas Zima Prague

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        #6
        Really appreciate the clarity there thanks! Certainly makes sense with how fluid the MSFS updates can be at times too


        Luke Carter | Flight Sim Content Creator & PPL Student Pilot
        youtube.com/britishavgeek

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          #7
          Read, understood, accepted.
          kind regards,

          Martin P. Gerner

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            #8
            Hey great update.I never paid attetion gear bay but I dont think it s a really big issue. However external textures need some more pixel I guess haha

            Kevin Perth

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              #9
              American's sure love to remind us how they asked us to leave, on a trip to DC I toured the capital building and was reminded as the only Brit on the tour, how we burned down the White House several times

              Thanks for the update, it's very nice to see the post plans of the 737, things like simbrief integration and charts are great, hopefully Asobo sorts that sooner rather than later

              Couple of questions - "better integration between the cockpit and cabin models" does this mean an animated opening cockpit door? and access to the cabin from the cockpit view rather than having to go into the drone view?

              Also the size and clarity of the EFB, currently I use 2 aircraft with an EFB, the A32NX and CRJ, I find reading charts on the A32NX to be difficult at times but the CRJ although charts are not yet available for the reasons you stated, would seem easier as personally the EFB seems bigger and clearer, is the 737 EFB going to be bigger like the CRJ's? Thanks
              Joe Colehouse

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              • rsrandazzo
                rsrandazzo commented
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                Joe- Hey, it is in fashion lately to suggest perhaps we might want you back. LOL - RSR

              #10
              Thank you Robert for this new level of transparency. I keep wondering if you also plan to add realistic parking brake engagement with the toe brakes like in the Zibo (as an option of course). Oh and FMC input lag is a must too.
              Mark Tegge

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                #11
                Happy Patriots Day Robert and sincere thanks for this very informative post.

                British history also records the small squabble in 1776 you mention over some tea. However, you left out the bit about the British ancestors apparently forgiving their American friends for their bad manners soon afterwards, because the tea they had attempted to tax them on wasn’t a very good blend. Rumour has it that they had meant to send their American friends a superior blend of BOP and other types of tea which is allegedly now referred to as Yorkshire Tea. You should try some, because it helps friends on both sides of the North Atlantic get a good night’s sleep! 😁😂
                Michael Codd

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                • rsrandazzo
                  rsrandazzo commented
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                  Michael- Back when Boston harbor (oh-arr, not oh-yew-arr) was heavily polluted and looked awful the local joke was that "the tea is still brewing from the Boston Tea Party." - RSR

                • Michael Codd
                  Michael Codd commented
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                  rsrandazzo. I’m amazed (Ee bah gum), I never knew that. I always thought the pollution was caused by eating too many Boston baked beans! LOL
                  Last edited by Michael Codd; 19Apr2022, 21:32.

                #12
                Everything great! Almost! What irritated me personally to some extent is the bug that occurred yesterday during the presentation of "The Flying Fabio" on his Twitch channel when landing in Ketchikan in Alaska. Timestamp here:

                04:42:12

                A bug in the plane as claimed by "The Flying Fabio"? So far I have not been able to find out anything here in the forum about what caused it and to what extent this bug can be repaired.

                I'm really looking forward to the 737-700 and like me I'm sure many others are too. But I think we need to talk about it and communicate openly here....
                Last edited by FSNews24; 19Apr2022, 11:57.
                Best regards
                Manfred Hafner

                FSNews24

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                • Michael Codd
                  Michael Codd commented
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                  With respect, you should not be irritated when you see a 🪰 because there is no such thing as perfect software.

                  I think we all need to read RSR’s sticky posts more carefully because he has clearly stated that the B737-700 is currently still undergoing development and Beta testing. I know PMDG are working through any bugs they and the team of experienced Beta testers (including B737 type rated pilots) have identified. So, although some bugs are bound to get through, you can rest assured they are being discussed through the proper channels and the vast majority will hopefully be squashed before customers are able to buy it. I personally don’t think you will be too disappointed or irritated when you do get it, whoever you are.

                • Hugothester
                  Hugothester commented
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                  I am sure they are WELL aware of it after the stream hahaha I would not be worried about it, it will certainly be solved by launch

                • Crabby
                  Crabby commented
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                  The whole community cried "lift the embargo! We want to watch videos of a plane we know is still in BETA!" The embargo is lifted, and "people" immediately go cereal aisle crazy over bugs they see in a BETA release. They get indignant and disappointed. What a joke.

                #13
                Thank you for the update Robert!

                Looking forward to having her in the sim very shortly and the updates that will follow. I am sure I reflect the opinion of the 1000 + members of our group when I say we can't wait. We already have a 737-700 delivery flight event sorted for our newly created virtual airline.

                Looking forward to seeing more of her as you get closer to release.

                Kind regards,

                Nathan Edmunds
                AVP Admin/ VA Management Assist
                www.ausvirtualpilots.com
                Nathan Edmunds
                Sydney NSW, Australia

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                  #14
                  Originally posted by FSNews24 View Post
                  Everything great! Almost! What irritated me personally to some extent is the bug that occurred yesterday during the presentation of "The Flying Fabio" on his Twitch channel when landing in Ketchikan in Alaska. Timestamp here:

                  04:42:12

                  A bug in the plane as claimed by "The Flying Fabio"? So far I have not been able to find out anything here in the forum about what caused it and to what extent this bug can be repaired.

                  I'm really looking forward to the 737-700 and like me I'm sure many others are too. But I think we need to talk about it and communicate openly here....
                  This particular behavior have been seen only from one Beta tester, and was traced to the fact that one of his controllers, he is using multiple ones, had reverted all assignments to the default ones.

                  As soon as he removed the default assignments from the extra controller issue was gone. Another user reported here in the forum that had the same experience with other 3rd party planes. Currently this is investigated and trying to pinpoint why this happens with the extra controller. We have asked Asobo input as well
                  Chris Makris (Olympic260)
                  PMDG Technical Support
                  http://www.pmdg.com

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                    #15
                    Thanks for the update Rob. I very much enjoyed the coverage of the aircraft yesterday and whilst it looks to be in a fantastic state, I look forward to seeing how this develops going forward, exciting times!
                    Rob Crawshaw
                    📺 Flight Sim Content Creator | youtube.com/bobbyfuzzy

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                      #16
                      Originally posted by cmakris View Post

                      This particular behavior have been seen only from one Beta tester, and was traced to the fact that one of his controllers, he is using multiple ones, had reverted all assignments to the default ones.

                      As soon as he removed the default assignments from the extra controller issue was gone. Another user reported here in the forum that had the same experience with other 3rd party planes. Currently this is investigated and trying to pinpoint why this happens with the extra controller. We have asked Asobo input as well
                      Thank you very much!
                      Best regards
                      Manfred Hafner

                      FSNews24

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                      • rsrandazzo
                        rsrandazzo commented
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                        Manfred- This is a peculiar little problem and we are collecting quite a bit of data on it. At this juncture I have nothing that tells me "this is caused by PMDG" but I also cannot say with any certainty "there is nothing we can do to prevent this." As such, we are trying to find a way to replicate it with enough certainty that we can develop a way to prevent it from happening. Even if it isn't "caused" by PMDG, that doesn't mean we won't try to prevent the sim from ruining your fun. We are hoping for some input on it from Asobo and have opened a communication channel with them on the topic. - RSR

                      #17
                      Thanks Robert we trust in PMDG.




                      Hasan Sattorov
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                        #18
                        Will there be a simbrief integration wirh the 737-700
                        Adrijan Orel

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                        • Crabby
                          Crabby commented
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                          Good God! It was right in the opening post! Do you just open a thread a post whatever without reading?

                        #19
                        Originally posted by KingKobraSLO View Post
                        Will there be a simbrief integration wirh the 737-700
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                        https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/main-fo...pdated-25feb19

                        For the post on the top of the page....

                        SimBrief integration via tablet (requires C++/WASM access to outside communications, but possibly unblocked by new technology independently)
                        Chris Makris (Olympic260)
                        PMDG Technical Support
                        http://www.pmdg.com

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                          #20
                          Originally posted by KingKobraSLO View Post
                          Will there be a simbrief integration wirh the 737-700
                          Please, please read the above post again. It's written right there...

                          Additionally, there are a few deliverable items on our agenda that will require updates to the platform or SDK by Asobo in order for us to complete these items. Many of these are either known to us to be pending from Asobo in a future update, or have been promised to us in specific discussions:
                          • Conversion to modern navigraph navdata format (requires C++ debugging capability in the SDK/platform)
                          • Integration of new PMDG LNAV 2.0 lateral control model (requires C++ debugging capability in the SDK/platform)
                          • Navigraph charts displayed on tablet (requires C++/WASM have access to outside communications in manner allowed for JavaScript products, but possibly unblocked by new technology independently)
                          • SimBrief integration via tablet (requires C++/WASM hae access to outside communications, but possibly unblocked by new technology independently)
                          • Windshield wiper sweep (advised by Asobo this will be native to platform)
                          • Weather radar (requires Asobo to provide access to weather/precip data)
                          Best regards,
                          --Anders Bermann--
                          ____________________
                          Scandinavian VA
                          Pilot-ID: SAS2471

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                          • Crabby
                            Crabby commented
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                            Yea, but will there be SimBrief integration? (Sarcasm alert)

                          • jsmarko3
                            jsmarko3 commented
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                            Crabby What about second SimBrief integration? Navigraph Charts? Afternoon CPDLC?

                          #21
                          Thanks for the update as always!

                          One quick question, what is the difference between the old Navigraph format and the modern one?

                          Yog Tupy

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                            #22
                            Thanks for this Robert, always appreciate the transparency and information.
                            Tom Dewar

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                              #23
                              Originally posted by cmakris View Post

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                              https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/main-fo...pdated-25feb19

                              For the post on the top of the page....

                              SimBrief integration via tablet (requires C++/WASM access to outside communications, but possibly unblocked by new technology independently)
                              I alredy have it dont i?
                              Adrijan Orel

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                                #24
                                Originally posted by KingKobraSLO View Post

                                I alredy have it dont i?
                                You do not have your full name. First and last is required per rules
                                Chris Makris (Olympic260)
                                PMDG Technical Support
                                http://www.pmdg.com

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                                  #25
                                  Originally posted by cmakris View Post
                                  For the post on the top of the page....

                                  SimBrief integration via tablet (requires C++/WASM access to outside communications, but possibly unblocked by new technology independently)
                                  But, it's not just about the tablet, FMS import won't work too, unless it's done "offline" using a downloaded flight plan.

                                  What about this file downloaded from Simbrief, will it include weight and fuel?

                                  Benjamin MATHON
                                  Abidjan, Ivory Coast

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                                  • Vicinian
                                    Vicinian commented
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                                    It should. The CRJ imports weights from the downloaded flight plan. It should be the exact same flight plan, just downloaded from SimBrief directly instead of downloaded by MSFS.

                                  • Benjamin.M
                                    Benjamin.M commented
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                                    That's good to know, cheers

                                  #26
                                  Robert. Loyal owner of your product line. It still irks me that you said you would do the vc update to the 777 and seemingly have reversed. I understand you have your reasons. Some of us either don’t like msfs, or can’t move their because of home cockpit concerns etc. not trying to be a negative Nelly. But I just wanted to voice my feelings.
                                  Dave Gray

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                                  • Crabby
                                    Crabby commented
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                                    As a long time reader of this forum and client, as well as defender of the faith, first earl of duckingham, 3rd regent of the order of the marsupial, and 1st in line to the 4th position of the throne of the numeric letter clan, it irks me that you would post 777 complaints on a MSFS 737 thread. You don't want to be a negative Nelly but you are by your negative and off topic nelly post. Why the frick would you need to worry about a VC if a home cockpit is involved? Makes no sense to include that in your irkiness.

                                  • rsrandazzo
                                    rsrandazzo commented
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                                    Dave- Actually- you completely misrepresent the facts here. You've been here a long time, so I presume it is because you have read too many misrepresentations from others, not because you are trying to act with malice. We have been saying for 2 years now that we are planning a 777 VC update that will coincide with the 777 development in MSFS, as those are two results of the same effort. That has been the plan from the day we began work on the 777-200ER and nothing I have said since has changed that guidance. Anyone who tells you different is likewise uninformed so please do feel free to correct them with some facts. - RSR

                                  • micstatic
                                    micstatic commented
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                                    Thanks Robert. Logical explanation. I appreciate you taking the time to clear it up. Be well

                                  #27
                                  one question? since there will be needed many efb features in the sdk.. this means that the efb will come over with sdk updates? can we expect the 700 at release (when it is) without it?
                                  -Valerio Nobiloni

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                                  • rsrandazzo
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                                    Valerio- I'm not honestly sure what you are asking here. - RSR

                                  • valexyo
                                    valexyo commented
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                                    sorry probably i wasn't clear, the question essentially is: the EFB will be included already at release of the 737-700?

                                  #28
                                  Thank you for the Update! There is one question about the winglets. Where can the winglets be switched or be changed? Also in the FMC? Have a nice day together!
                                  Felix Hofmann

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                                  • Ephedrin
                                    Ephedrin commented
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                                    Most likely another model. You'd choose a 737 with either winglet type in the aircraft selection. IF MSFS allows the change of all that while in the model then it would be done in the FMC atm, until they bring the new EFB.

                                  • rsrandazzo
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                                    Felix- You cannot "change" the winglets. Due to the design of MSFS and how it handles models with different feature differences, each wing-type is it's own model. We are offering you the blended winglet and split scimitar winglet models. You can download liveries with either wing form and then use them in the sim, but you cannot change them in real time, unlike in FSX/P3D. End result gets you what you want, it is just a different implementation, is all. - RSR

                                  #29
                                  Originally posted by Tucker256 View Post
                                  Thank you for the Update! There is one question about the winglets. Where can the winglets be switched or be changed? Also in the FMC? Have a nice day together!
                                  Different Models, so you ll have to select on the livery screen. If you mean if you ll be able to change on the fly then no as each model has it's own flight model
                                  Chris Makris (Olympic260)
                                  PMDG Technical Support
                                  http://www.pmdg.com

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                                  • DrFilippas
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                                    Chris - Enlighten me please, I haven't seen any model so far without the winglets. Is there any?

                                    Filippos

                                  • cmakris
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                                    Without winglets no. BW and SSW will be the current offering. We will evaluate adding the 737-700 with no winglets in a future update

                                  • DrFilippas
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                                    Cool, thanks Chris.

                                  #30
                                  Robert,

                                  I'm relatively new to PMDG, but I have your full slate of Boeing products for P3D. I'm also planning on purchasing those aircraft in MSFS too. I have also been following your 737 for MSFS-related posts here carefully. While I greatly appreciate today's missive regarding the Early Adopter approach, including acknowledging that some promised enhancements in prior releases have not come to fruition, I would urge PMDG to step back from or significantly revise the Early Adopter approach outlined here for several reasons:

                                  1. Your post is full of caveats, necessary I'm sure, that provide PMDG multiple paths to withdrawing or modifying any item on the Early Adopter development list (which I acknowledge is not complete). As PMDG changes the list -- as you inevitably will have to do at some point -- you will only raise the same ire you've seen with past expectations of updates.

                                  2. Since the plan reads more like a specific promise of the functionality of the products, and given the influx of new customers that may not be familiar with what to reasonably expect, PMDG is inviting dissatisfied customers to request refunds or initiate credit card chargebacks. A sort of PR nightmare in the making.

                                  3. It seems like you are banking on Asobo making many of the more key enhancements possible. What if those don't come for ages or they are inadequate? Will the 737 enter the Continued Maintenance phase without those key items? And even if it is truly an Asobo issue, it only hurts PMDG's reputation.

                                  Your post uses the words "clear" or "clearly" 17 times. I respectfully submit that PMDG's plans in this regard are not as clear as you probably feel it is, and it's why I suggest revisiting the Early Adopter program.

                                  From what I have seen of the product in yesterday's streams, PMDG has a highly functional MSFS airliner add-on -- the first of its kind in MSFS, for which I'm sure you are thrilled. The community here is very excited too as you well know -- me included.

                                  Rather than ramp up expectations on more features that may be very hard or impossible to develop to PMDG's standards, I would urge PMDG to underpromise and over-deliver.

                                  Sorry for the Wall of Text (trademark of RSR).
                                  Dan Jaffe

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                                  • valexyo
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                                    I don't think actually that they are ramping up expectations, but you got one point right, what would happen if sdk doesn't update the way they hope? nice question

                                  • rsrandazzo
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                                    Dan- How dare you use my Wall of Text method. :-) There is always a shadow in a corner if you point the lighting the right way. Plans will continually change and I fully expect that they will. My goal is to make it clearer how such things are decided upon, and how we plan to go about managing it. Without a plan and without clear expectations, you have a forum full of folks screaming at one another because nobody knows what to expect. - RSR

                                  • Iadbound
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                                    Robert - thanks for the reply. If I might say, a forum full of screaming people is the inevitable result of operating a forum at all. And if your goal was aimed at illuminating process rather than the specifics of the end result, I think you accomplished that. I wish your team well. Fingers crossed.

                                    Dan
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