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    The Phantom 787

    Evening all,

    I know, I am "that guy" by asking this question, but I must ask if a PMDG 787 is a question of if? or when?

    With all the different sim platforms that have emerged in the last five years, PMDG constantly has to redev existing products but is there room for a 78? I believe I have read through every topic on this subject since 2009, and I must wonder if I, too, am getting my hopes up for something that may never come. Cheers!

    V/R,

    Paul

    #2
    The last known thing is that a secret project is in the works that will be developed for p3d and then to msfs. The 787 rumor came with 772er photo at I believe PAE with DD that has static 787s out of the factory behind the 772er
    Alex Kulak
    PMDG Studier and flyer

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      #3
      The question is likely "when". I'm 100% sure PMDG are working on a 787.
      Anton Vind
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        #4
        Man I wish I could be excited about that. The 787 may well be a fantastic airplane but it’s just too advanced for my tastes :/

        The 737NG and 747 are kind of the sweet spot between Jurassic Park and Steven Hawking but even in that case I found myself more wanting to fly a certain MD-88 that I had for P3D before I switched over to MSFS. There is just something about the more primitive machines that appeals to me in the sim environment…IRL of course I would want all the goodies lol.
        Matt Smith

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          #5
          I’m pretty sure it’s a question of ‚when‘ rather than ‚if‘. However that might be in 10 years. Who knows… but I’m sure it’ll come eventually, just like nobody thought an in depth 777 would be possible before PMDG did it.

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            #6
            A 787 from PMDG would be a welcomed addition. I know there's another out there but it's a bit simplistic for my taste as well. There is an MD-11 under development by another dev and if PMDG were to release a 787 that would be awesome (would really to like to have both). However, I'm not expecting it any time soon in light of the move to MSFS for their products. Even though I own MSFS 2020 I don't have it installed and I'm not planning to return to it anytime soon so I hope there's more P3D products from PMDG. (My .03 cents).
            Will Thomas
            KMDT - Flight Sim 1998 to Present
            P3D, X-Plane, FSX
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            USAF Veteran [Aircraft Electrician / Egress Tech]

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              #7
              A PMDG quality Honeywell Primus Epic system? Yeah, that's a HUGE if, and an even more massive when. Start saving up now for your first $5000 PMDG product.
              There's no comparison to PMDG's legacy Boeing products, because they share a ton of the FMS code, and the displays are NOwhere as complex as the Honeywell units.

              STANDARD features on the Honeywell include Airport Taxi maps (imagine the navigation database issues), vertical flight profile displays (below the map areas on the displays) with various calculated options, and TONS of "soft keys" instead of surrounding bezel "hard keys" (which means many more screens that need interactive buttons and testing).

              Not to mention the new high power computer you'll be buying to run FIVE highly content filled MFDs and two EFBs (Yet MORE interactive content to manage - I don't think even PMDG has the bucks or manpower to manage an entire EFB). There's a reason the Asobo offering is extremely simplified.

              I could see an Aerosoft or other mid to low level detail aircraft developer releasing a 787, but PMDG high level sim aircraft is a whole other world.

              PMDG would need a massive commitment from some kind of customer(s) before even thinking about it.
              Fred Douglas

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              • 2018paulrobbins@gmail.com
                [email protected] commented
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                I think you are selling the PMDG dev team short. I am sure people said the same about the 777 or the 748 years ago. I have been blown away by the quality of PMDGs products. Honestly, I have reached the point where it is almost impossible to be satisfied with anything less in the sim—many hours in the 744 and NGX.

                I think how long people have been talking about this "undisclosed" project through the years would be proof of this high-level dev. As stated below, VNAV profiles, EFBs, HUDs, map overlays, etc... have all been dev'ed previously. So I think this is entirely within the realm of possibility. Besides, their connections with Boeing mean the doors are open. Also, to stay current with Boeing airlines, they will eventually be forced to dev Boeing's new architecture for future planes like the MAX, 777X, and 787.

              #8
              Originally posted by FlyrFred View Post
              A PMDG quality Honeywell Primus Epic system? Yeah, that's a HUGE if, and an even more massive when. Start saving up now for your first $5000 PMDG product.
              There's no comparison to PMDG's legacy Boeing products, because they share a ton of the FMS code, and the displays are NOwhere as complex as the Honeywell units.

              STANDARD features on the Honeywell include Airport Taxi maps (imagine the navigation database issues), vertical flight profile displays (below the map areas on the displays) with various calculated options, and TONS of "soft keys" instead of surrounding bezel "hard keys" (which means many more screens that need interactive buttons and testing).

              Not to mention the new high power computer you'll be buying to run FIVE highly content filled MFDs and two EFBs (Yet MORE interactive content to manage - I don't think even PMDG has the bucks or manpower to manage an entire EFB). There's a reason the Asobo offering is extremely simplified.

              I could see an Aerosoft or other mid to low level detail aircraft developer releasing a 787, but PMDG high level sim aircraft is a whole other world.

              PMDG would need a massive commitment from some kind of customer(s) before even thinking about it.
              Sounds like your underestimating pmdg developers with this one. If I recall I believe the 748 has the airport taxi maps on the pfd
              Alex Kulak
              PMDG Studier and flyer

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                #9
                They also got vertical flight profile displays already...
                Anton Vind
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                  #10
                  I think Fred is goading PMDG. 😊
                  Will Thomas
                  KMDT - Flight Sim 1998 to Present
                  P3D, X-Plane, FSX
                  Aircraft Painter

                  USAF Veteran [Aircraft Electrician / Egress Tech]

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                    #11
                    Edit: never mind.

                    I bet there will be a 787 coming but something like a 757 or even a 727 would be so much more fun to fly and interact with.

                    Sadly the “must fly current equipment and routes” crowd rules the FS world.
                    Last edited by MattS; 15Oct2021, 22:12.
                    Matt Smith

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                      #12
                      Originally posted by Swaluver88 View Post
                      The last known thing is that a secret project is in the works that will be developed for p3d and then to msfs. The 787 rumor came with 772er photo at I believe PAE with DD that has static 787s out of the factory behind the 772er
                      Where is this photo?

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                        #13
                        Originally posted by [email protected] View Post
                        Where is this photo?
                        I believe it was this one. Yes, this was over a year ago.

                        https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/main-fo...iness-shall-we
                        Captain Kevin

                        Kevin Yang

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                          #14
                          Originally posted by FlyrFred View Post
                          A PMDG quality Honeywell Primus Epic system? Yeah, that's a HUGE if, and an even more massive when. Start saving up now for your first $5000 PMDG product.
                          There's no comparison to PMDG's legacy Boeing products, because they share a ton of the FMS code, and the displays are NOwhere as complex as the Honeywell units.

                          STANDARD features on the Honeywell include Airport Taxi maps (imagine the navigation database issues), vertical flight profile displays (below the map areas on the displays) with various calculated options, and TONS of "soft keys" instead of surrounding bezel "hard keys" (which means many more screens that need interactive buttons and testing).

                          Not to mention the new high power computer you'll be buying to run FIVE highly content filled MFDs and two EFBs (Yet MORE interactive content to manage - I don't think even PMDG has the bucks or manpower to manage an entire EFB). There's a reason the Asobo offering is extremely simplified.

                          I could see an Aerosoft or other mid to low level detail aircraft developer releasing a 787, but PMDG high level sim aircraft is a whole other world.

                          PMDG would need a massive commitment from some kind of customer(s) before even thinking about it.
                          Just to put some things straight

                          1. Airport Taxi maps.... Already exist in the ND of the 748 and also part of the EFB on the 777 and NGXu, so this is already done
                          2 VSD Already there since the FSX NGX days and still used
                          3 Manage Entire EFB? Not sure what you mean here... Have you seen the NGXu and 777 EFB???

                          Chris Makris (Olympic260)
                          PMDG Technical Support
                          http://www.pmdg.com

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                            #15
                            Originally posted by Captain Kevin View Post
                            I believe it was this one. Yes, this was over a year ago.

                            https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/main-fo...iness-shall-we
                            Thanks, Kevin.

                            It slipped past me but there it is in the deep background. I’m curious if it will be all variants in one package or the typical base with addons? Either way, seeing that “9” in the deep background is exciting nonetheless. I hope the 787 will be the next big release.
                            Will Thomas
                            KMDT - Flight Sim 1998 to Present
                            P3D, X-Plane, FSX
                            Aircraft Painter

                            USAF Veteran [Aircraft Electrician / Egress Tech]

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                              #16
                              Given the fact that PMDG has acknowledged that a 737 MAX is in the works, and given the similarities with the displays on the 737 MAX and the 787, I am pretty confident we will see a 787 from PMDG sooner rather than later. The only other highly demanded Boeing aircraft is the 767/757.

                              Marlon Carter

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                                #17
                                Originally posted by MCarter View Post
                                Given the fact that PMDG has acknowledged that a 737 MAX is in the works, and given the similarities with the displays on the 737 MAX and the 787, I am pretty confident we will see a 787 from PMDG sooner rather than later. The only other highly demanded Boeing aircraft is the 767/757.
                                The displays may be similar but what's behind them is totally different. I expect a PMDG 787 will come along eventually but the MAX isn't really evidence of it.

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                                  #18
                                  Originally posted by Kevin Hall View Post

                                  The displays may be similar but what's behind them is totally different. I expect a PMDG 787 will come along eventually but the MAX isn't really evidence of it.
                                  Software wise yes but the max has a lot of features of the 78. Cursor, screens, the software UI layout for maintenance, systems, etc. They may not have the same backend software but the max software has similar touches with the UI.
                                  Alex Kulak
                                  PMDG Studier and flyer

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                                    #19
                                    Agreed, the MAX and the 787 are different, but I'm sure the time used to create the shared features won't be wasted on just one aircraft.

                                    Marlon Carter

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                                      #20
                                      767-300 please.
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                                        #21
                                        Originally posted by Swaluver88 View Post

                                        Software wise yes but the max has a lot of features of the 78. Cursor, screens, the software UI layout for maintenance, systems, etc. They may not have the same backend software but the max software has similar touches with the UI.
                                        I was talking about the systems, not just the avionics. The 787 is an order of magnitude or two more complex than a 737 MAX. The information displayed on the MAX screens is much the same as on the NG, but laid out like the 787, including the UI as you say.
                                        Last edited by Kevin Hall; 17Oct2021, 00:41.

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                                          #22
                                          Originally posted by Boomer View Post
                                          767-300 please.
                                          Damn, would go for the 737-100 /-200. But wouldn't say no to a 767
                                          René Mrosek

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                                            #23
                                            Originally posted by Swaluver88 View Post

                                            Software wise yes but the max has a lot of features of the 78. Cursor, screens, the software UI layout for maintenance, systems, etc. They may not have the same backend software but the max software has similar touches with the UI.
                                            The max does not have a cursor like the 777 or the 787. The only cursor we have is the one for changing the Ref N1 and the IAS bugs manually like we can do in the NG but with hard knobs. There are some maintenance screens that pilots never use, but I doubt those would be simulated by PMDG. The MAX brings nothing new really in terms of how you operate it. If it did, it would require more training. The first time I flew the MAX I felt at home after getting used to the new position of certain things such as the autobrake knob and that took a couple of uses at most. The screens show the same information as in the NG. They are a bit less contrasty and look worse if you look from an angle. Some bits of information that used to show over black background now show over blue which makes them less readable. The information is arranged in a quirky way too. For example, the PFD is now smaller and it's not perfectly centered on the yoke like it was on the NG. A good thing about the MAX is that you can see the callsign on the screen at all times. That's a huge bonus for short haulers like me. The engines are nice but the start up can take 2,5 minutes per engine (the NG engines take 45 seconds to start), and that is a pain in the ass if you consider that on a 4 sector day you'll spend about 20 minutes starting engines.

                                            One thing we're still discussing in the cockpits is whether it flies better than the NG or not. I think it does. Hand flying it feels a lot smoother than the NG and it's a pleasure but I can't tell if that's because they're so new or because they've actually changed some things. I've flown both brand new and very old NGs and they all feel the same, except for the crooked hard landed ones of course. I haven't found a reason to like it more or less than the NG. For me as a pilot it's the same thing honestly. After you get over it, it's still just a 737. Its mission is to burn less fuel than the competition and that's about it.
                                            Omar Josef
                                            737 FO
                                            757/767 rated
                                            Spain

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                                              #24
                                              Originally posted by Aeromar View Post

                                              The max does not have a cursor like the 777 or the 787. The only cursor we have is the one for changing the Ref N1 and the IAS bugs manually like we can do in the NG but with hard knobs. There are some maintenance screens that pilots never use, but I doubt those would be simulated by PMDG. The MAX brings nothing new really in terms of how you operate it. If it did, it would require more training. The first time I flew the MAX I felt at home after getting used to the new position of certain things such as the autobrake knob and that took a couple of uses at most. The screens show the same information as in the NG. They are a bit less contrasty and look worse if you look from an angle. Some bits of information that used to show over black background now show over blue which makes them less readable. The information is arranged in a quirky way too. For example, the PFD is now smaller and it's not perfectly centered on the yoke like it was on the NG. A good thing about the MAX is that you can see the callsign on the screen at all times. That's a huge bonus for short haulers like me. The engines are nice but the start up can take 2,5 minutes per engine (the NG engines take 45 seconds to start), and that is a pain in the ass if you consider that on a 4 sector day you'll spend about 20 minutes starting engines.

                                              One thing we're still discussing in the cockpits is whether it flies better than the NG or not. I think it does. Hand flying it feels a lot smoother than the NG and it's a pleasure but I can't tell if that's because they're so new or because they've actually changed some things. I've flown both brand new and very old NGs and they all feel the same, except for the crooked hard landed ones of course. I haven't found a reason to like it more or less than the NG. For me as a pilot it's the same thing honestly. After you get over it, it's still just a 737. Its mission is to burn less fuel than the competition and that's about it.
                                              Haha I saw maintence play around with it and they use the cursor for a lot technical manuals also has a lot functions for the cursor. Im going based off of manuals I have access to and connections internally. Every airline operates differently but I am 99.99% the cursor does a lot more than pilots will use it for. Like in your example.

                                              But I do focus more on the technical and maintence side of things.
                                              Alex Kulak
                                              PMDG Studier and flyer

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                                                #25
                                                After a little research, it appears that the screenshot with the 787 isn't really a lead. Instead, it is part of Drzewiecki Design's Seattle Airport's Scenery. See the attached photo.
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                                                  #26
                                                  Originally posted by [email protected] View Post
                                                  After a little research, it appears that the screenshot with the 787 isn't really a lead. Instead, it is part of Drzewiecki Design's Seattle Airport's Scenery. See the attached photo.
                                                  They could still use it as a lead, signalling what is next in the pipeline.
                                                  Anton Vind
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                                                  • 2018paulrobbins@gmail.com
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                                                    Yeah, reading through that article, it seems pretty clear. I am really excited about what is to come in the world of P3D.

                                                  #27
                                                  I just hope and pray that the 744 lands in MSFS before I'm too old to remember how to push the throttles.
                                                  Many Thanks,
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                                                    #28
                                                    Originally posted by funkyhut View Post
                                                    I just hope and pray that the 744 lands in MSFS before I'm too old to remember how to push the throttles.
                                                    Pretty sure all 3 product lines will 737, 747, and 777 varients
                                                    Alex Kulak
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                                                      #29
                                                      Originally posted by Anton Vind View Post

                                                      They could still use it as a lead, signaling what is next in the pipeline.
                                                      Yeah, with the 737, 777, and 787 lined up, that definitely seems somewhat suggestive. I hope if it is true, we find out sooner rather than later.

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                                                        #30
                                                        Originally posted by [email protected] View Post

                                                        Yeah, with the 737, 777, and 787 lined up, that definitely seems somewhat suggestive. I hope if it is true, we find out sooner rather than later.
                                                        Given that they're doing the MAX and 777X it'd make sense.
                                                        Anton Vind
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