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[01OCT21] Let's start 4Q21 with some juicy 737 previews, shall we?

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    [01OCT21] Let's start 4Q21 with some juicy 737 previews, shall we?

    Captains,

    As we start 4Q21, we finally feel that the PMDG 737 for MSFS is beginning to look and feel like a product rather than a science experiment gone awry. Developing the 737 on the MSFS platform has been a difficult road thus far, in part because the platform is so very different from what we are used to, it is still very much in motion and we are heavily reliant upon the Asobo development team finding time in their already jammed agenda to implement the things that *we* need to get the airplane operable within the sim. Often what *we* need done doesn't line up well with their development agenda and this leaves us working to find ways to ensure functionality while simultaneously prioritizing our requests to get attention to important items without clouding their environment with unrelated or meaningless requests that might only be beneficial to PMDG and not the platform as a whole.

    When we announced back in August 2020 that our schedule guidance for the 737 was looking like "late 2021/early 2022" it made me exceedingly unpopular in some spaces- but here we are in 4Q21 and I remain steadfast that our decision to speak truthfully about our schedule expectations was the right decision- in spite the political blow-back it created. Earlier in the summer we were making really good progress through deliverables, but things slowed to a crawl in July/August in part due to vacation schedules in Europe and in part due to the massive, unexpected refactor of the platform so that the XBox community could be brought into the fold.

    As September has progressed, we have seen an expected increase in development speed and as of this moment our schedule guidance is that the 737 will release to you in the current quarter. There are still some risk factors we are concerned about because they require changes to the platform, but they are mostly visual artifacts that affect the look of certain display drawing aspects and we are comfortable that Asobo can fix those post release if they don't actually get to them prior to our release... They are nuisance, in other words. I will show you a few examples when we get around to late beta testing if they haven't been addressed already by Asobo.

    So lets get into the meaty bits, shall we? (DANGER: The following images are all in-development images taken with a current alpha build. They may reflect some incomplete pieces and items still in development/adjustment.)

    For this update, I am going to walk you through our expectations for the product's shape and form, with some images of the 737's external model mixed in so that you have something fun to look at! For all of the complaining you will hear me transmit about the platform being in motion and the slow delivery of development tools, etc- you won't hear me complain about how the platform LOOKS. This is evident when you start taking screen shots for a presentation like this one:

    PMDG_NG3_01OCT21_001.jpg

    The images I am sharing with you hear are an in-development model upon which we are still resolving some small alignment issues in the texture mapping, as well as cleaning up the various reflectivity and surface mappings to ensure that they work correctly and capitalize on the great visual capabilities of the MSFS platform. In this image you can see how well the reflection already carries from the darker paint surfaces, showing you the reflective effect of warped surfaces, compound curves and the like.

    PMDG_NG3_01OCT21_002.jpg

    Likewise, looking at the upper wing surface, you can see a similar quality of reflection. In a static screen capture, it looks exceptional, but it looks significantly better when you see it in motion within the sim. The light mapping and surface material tools that Asobo has given developers are truly spectacular, and they allow us to work really without having to use the traditional tricks of the trade to hide imperfections and failures in the rendering model. You can see this is very evident in the quartering image below:

    PMDG_NG3_01OCT21_003.jpg

    The beauty in this shot takes place up under the wing leading edge, where you can see the light diffuse and reflective qualities of the various metal surfaces that make up the underside of the leading edge, including the bleed air vent holes and the differences in the painted and polished surfaces.

    In the next image you can see that we have begun to implement the heat blur effect from the engines and while this looks pretty neat in a still image- it looks truly spectacular (specular? hmmm) in motion within the sim. When we get to the point of doing video previews for this airplane, we shall be sure to show this off as it is a very neat effect within the sim.

    This image also gives you a good look at the underside of the wing and the treatment of rivet lines and fasteners through the aircraft surface, along with their impact on reflection and shadowing.

    PMDG_NG3_01OCT21_004.jpg

    I know a few of you in this forum have worked the ramp, or are still actively working the ramp (i'm looking at you, Alex) and this image probably makes you want to duck instinctively while holding your ear protection to keep it from sailing off your head- but you can almost smell the heat blur in this image, can't you?

    PMDG_NG3_01OCT21_005.jpg

    To wrap up today's update, I'll share this image with you, giving you the the Full Monty of the 737-700 happily ensconced within Microsoft Flight Simulator. I have intentionally withheld images of the flight deck because we are still fitting out a few items there, and working to resolve some systems implementation concerns through the use of customized tools and images within the cockpit. These would look confusing to you, and might likely cause a distraction ("yes, we know that display artifact isn't supposed to be purple, yes we know that those coordinates aren't normally drawn on screen" etc) and we want to get through that process before we start showing the business office part of the simulation to you.

    PMDG_NG3_01OCT21_006.jpg

    As of this morning's dev team meeting, Alex is fully engulfed in working on cockpit lighting, which will work similarly to how it was implemented in the DC-6 because Asobo has given us a really nice lighting model within the sim. I can't wait for you to see that- as it is really something spectacular when you get into a darker environment and things begin to glow "just so" in the cockpit.

    As always- when we start showing you a product in development, it generally means that we are moving confidently in the direction of a release plan. This product still needs to go through comprehensive beta testing- but since we don't have adequate debugging tools in MSFS, we are working very hard to ensure that we don't make major code changes between NGXu and the 737 for MSFS- so this enhances our beta testing speed a bit once we get there.

    Some folks have been asking about whether X function or Y function will be present and we are intentionally ignoring all such requests at this time. There are a number of things that we know don't work properly at this particular moment, but there were 10x as many things that didn't work properly back on 01JUN, and for us it is a matter of working through the task list one item at a time, and then taking any shortcomings to Asobo for guidance/input/adjustment. It is a long and slow process and I don't want to have to continually update the list of things that didn't work yesterday that work today- so we will talk through any functionality differences between the P3D and MSFS versions at a later date once we know for sure which items cannot be implemented.

    (So please don't spam the thread with the same question about X function or Y feature over and over again- we will answer it when we are ready and feel that our answers are well informed and final...)

    We are also working through our "options" list and working to preserve the very rich list of optional items that you can have in your 737. We are also adding a few more (satellite antenna locations and that sort of thing) that reflect changes in the worldwide fleet since NGXu was released two years ago.

    I will have more information for you on product makeup and pricing in a future update. We have largely settled that in already as we are taking a different approach to product structure in the MSFS environment. I'll have more details on that when the time is right, but our goal is to make it easier and less expensive to add a PMDG airplane to your MSFS hangar.

    Okay- I am eager to show you the flight deck- but we have a bit more work to wrap up before we do that... so don't wander to far off!



    Robert S. Randazzo
    PMDG Simulations
    http://www.pmdg.com



    #2
    Woooo!! Thanks for the update
    Joseph Chamberlain
    Aircraft Dispatcher

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      #3
      Fantastic news Robert! Thank you so much for this dev update! Cannot wait to check out the cockpit!
      Karl Stenson

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        #4
        Fantastic news! A great read over my morning coffee.
        Last edited by Tsno748; 11Oct2021, 14:23.
        Tom Snodgrass

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          #5
          Mr. Randazzo! You and your team continue to blow our minds. We are truly on the frontier of PMDG greatness here. Can't wait to see what the future holds... and how this bird flies!
          Thomas M. Arbel

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            #6
            I just can't wait
            Christian Mbeumo i9-10900K MSI Geforce RTX3090 Suprim X, 32GB DDR4 @3000MHz 4k/UHD

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              #7
              Looking good. Thanks Robert
              Simon Justice

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                #8
                Will the MAX come as well or is that a shelved expansion?
                Regards,

                Swapnil Sirdeshpande
                B.E (Aeronautics)

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                  #9
                  Amazing, thanks for the update and good work.
                  Eric Mees
                  i7-9700K @3.6(4.9) / ZOTAC RTX GeForce 3090 / 32GB DDR4 Corsair RAM / 32” Acer 4K Monitor

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                    #10
                    This looks amazing.
                    Michael R Cerovac

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                      #11
                      Thank you to all at PMDG !
                      Benjamin Loesch

                      MSFS and P3D

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                        #12
                        This was a lovely way to start a Friday

                        Andy White
                        i910850
                        RTX3090
                        Empty wallet

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                          #13
                          very nice
                          Petter Storvik

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                            #14
                            Am I right in assuming that the NG3 will include all the varients this time round instead of expansions? Seeing as the -7 was an expansion & the -8/-9 was the base package.
                            David Norfolk

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                              #15
                              Looking fantastic guys, cannot wait until this is flying in MSFS. Thanks for the detailed update....

                              Clive Rose

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                                #16
                                Hi PMDG team,

                                This is awesome and I cant wait! I have 1 question:

                                Back when the 737 ngxu released for p3d, it was said that if we buy before December some date (I dont recall) of that year we will get that amount credited towards msfs release. Does that still stand?

                                Thanks
                                Zain
                                Zain Mohammad

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                                • HarvesteR
                                  HarvesteR commented
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                                  I read in a post from PMDG recently that this will automatically be processed with your order of the NG3.

                                • Captain Kevin
                                  Captain Kevin commented
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                                  Yes, but you must use the same e-mail that you used when you purchased the NGXu from what I recall.

                                #17
                                Thanks for the update! Cant wait guys, so excited!
                                Sandro Vitalini

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                                  #18
                                  The most important thing to me is that we dont get an "PMDG Light" version in regards to features... Things like all the simulated systems, physics and the service based failures are the key to the success of the NGX and NGXu I think!
                                  Klaus Schmitzer

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                                    #19
                                    We appreciate the work and the effort expended from PMDG team work on the best quality and accuracy to show us the queen 737 ، Also, this work is ongoing in the hard time in covid-19 ,and appreciate your way to making the product very well for us , thank you and the Dev team time.



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                                    Waleed Almalki
                                    Waleed AL-Malki

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                                      #20
                                      Great update to wake up too! Looks amazing and can't wait to fly it. The full -700 picture looks great, and I can't wait to see what variants will be coming for us
                                      Joe Colehouse EGCC

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                                        #21
                                        Thanks for the update Rob. We do appreciate it.
                                        I have a question...
                                        With P3D line of products I remember it being officially licensed by Boeing. Is it the same with MSFS? Also I wonder what difference does that really make with a product licensed by Boeing and one that isn't?

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                                          #22
                                          Hate to be that guy... but since I only use P3D, I am curious if there is any update regarding the LNAV upgrade (especially regarding the NGXu)? Any preview of that to be had by chance?

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                                          • rsrandazzo
                                            rsrandazzo commented
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                                            Marius: There is a thread at the top of the forum that reviews that information. We will have an update for that "soonish" but until then, it is the most current information still. Hope that helps. - RSR

                                          #23
                                          Concerning pricing, are we still entitled to a discount with a bought license for p3dv5? as it was stated in your post on Nov 8th 2019?
                                          I am quoiting "We anticipate NG3 going to market at around $139.99. NGXu is priced at $99.99. If you purchase NGXu, you will only be charged $40 at that time, while new customers to NG3 will pay the full $139.99."
                                          Thanks for your comment.

                                          ivan
                                          Ivan Majetic

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                                            #24
                                            Originally posted by Ivan.majetic View Post
                                            Concerning pricing, are we still entitled to a discount with a bought license for p3dv5? as it was stated in your post on Nov 8th 2019?
                                            I am quoiting "We anticipate NG3 going to market at around $139.99. NGXu is priced at $99.99. If you purchase NGXu, you will only be charged $40 at that time, while new customers to NG3 will pay the full $139.99."
                                            Thanks for your comment.

                                            ivan
                                            If you have bought the NGXu before 31 DEC 2019 then yes.
                                            Chris Makris (Olympic260)
                                            PMDG Technical Support
                                            http://www.pmdg.com

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                                              #25
                                              cmakris i did, great, thank you
                                              Ivan Majetic

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                                                #26
                                                "easier and less expensive"?

                                                Are we talking about an annual PMDG subscription which gives us access to all aircraft?

                                                I'd actually be interested in that once the entire 7x7 fleet makes it into MSFS.
                                                Fahad Al Riyami
                                                PMDG 737NGX, 737NGXu, 747 (+ -8), 777 (+ -300ER). MSFS-exclusive, Honeycomb Alpha & Bravo.

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                                                  #27
                                                  Originally posted by rsrandazzo View Post
                                                  We are also working through our "options" list and working to preserve the very rich list of optional items that you can have in your 737. We are also adding a few more (satellite antenna locations and that sort of thing) that reflect changes in the worldwide fleet since NGXu was released two years ago.
                                                  Just curious if some of these additional options would be backported to the NGXu at some point or not.
                                                  Originally posted by zain1291 View Post
                                                  Back when the 737 ngxu released for p3d, it was said that if we buy before December some date (I dont recall) of that year we will get that amount credited towards msfs release. Does that still stand?
                                                  It was before December 31st, 2019, but they've always said that that still stands, so you have nothing to worry about. Also, Chris just confirmed this in an earlier post.
                                                  Captain Kevin

                                                  Kevin Yang

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                                                    #28
                                                    Where do I pay.....just take my money now........I'm so looking forward to this it looks fantastic

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                                                      #29
                                                      Originally posted by StachM View Post
                                                      Hate to be that guy... but since I only use P3D, I am curious if there is any update regarding the LNAV upgrade (especially regarding the NGXu)? Any preview of that to be had by chance?
                                                      I use both sims and can’t wait for the 737 to be in 2020. I was also hoping for some P3D news on the LNAV and Global Ops. Maybe will get separate news release.
                                                      Dan Moore

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                                                      • rsrandazzo
                                                        rsrandazzo commented
                                                        Editing a comment
                                                        Dan (i'm gonna poke fun at you in order to make an example- sorry! :-p ) Since this thread is specifically about the 737 in MSFS, I didn't include information on things unrelated. Sorta like if you ask me how my daughter is doing, I don't give you details of my latest coloscopy... Cuz that would just be strange. LOL - RSR

                                                      • Wise87
                                                        Wise87 commented
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                                                        Robert, that's fine if you make fun of my question. I was only going by past examples when I mentioned it. In the past you have added small updates on items UNRELATED to the title of the subject.
                                                        - [29MAY21] A short update on non-MSFS agenda items - Last paragraph was about 2020 when the title was clearly non-MSFS.
                                                        I will wait to see what news comes out on the LNAV seeing it's been a month since it was last mentioned. As far as your coloscopy, that between you and your doctor. I'm more interested in the LNAV update, hahahaha
                                                        Last edited by Wise87; 02Oct2021, 02:14.

                                                      #30
                                                      Originally posted by fahdriyami View Post
                                                      "easier and less expensive"?

                                                      Are we talking about an annual PMDG subscription which gives us access to all aircraft?

                                                      I'd actually be interested in that once the entire 7x7 fleet makes it into MSFS.
                                                      As long as there would also be an option to fully purchase & own the aircraft, personally I'd prefer not to pay rent on this beauty but to own it outright and fly it as and when I please
                                                      Anthony Mawaya

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