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    MSFS Terrain and WX Radar

    Hello,

    Does anyone know if Terrain Radar and or WX Radar can be modelled with MSFS. I'm hoping that both items will be modelled on the upcoming planes for MSFS. I saw that it can work with the default aircraft but was not sure if this is the case with developers.

    Thanks,
    Austin Johnson

    #2
    I would imagine so. PMDG has mentioned in previous posts that MSFS 2020 has opened up more development options, compared to P3D. Really looking forward to the NG3!
    Luis Linares
    i9-6700K, GTX 2080Ti, 64GB DDR4

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      #3
      Austin,

      It has been well discussed in the MSFS forums that Asobo has not yet made a weather radar layer live. It is on their workflow, I understand, but it isn't something I have discussed with them.

      I don't know what "terrain radar" is, but I presume it is a ground return from weather radar? I don't know that this is accurately modeled on any platform.



      Robert S. Randazzo
      PMDG Simulations
      http://www.pmdg.com


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        #4
        Actually, Rob himself has said the NG3 will not come with WXR, at least at first.
        - Karl Brooker

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          #5
          Karl,

          **edited for clarity

          You are intentionally skating on the edge of dishonesty here given discussion that has taken place outside of this thread and via a previous warning and you are close to getting sanctioned for it.

          I would prefer you not let that happen.

          For the clarity of others to understand Karls effort to misdirect discsuion: What I said in another thread is that, since Asobo has not yet turned that layer on, it can't have it. Once Asobo does so, we will. It is worth pointing out that this is no different than any other product in PMDG's inventory or history. PMDG does not offer wx radar in ANY product, unless the user has an external program that will create the weather layer for us. The same will be true for the MSFS products, whether that layer comes from Asobo or some aftermarket developer.

          Karl you tried to play the "gotcha-PMDG-wants-a-cash-grab" game with me earlier and over the weekend and you were shown to be wrong both times. You were warned about it as well. You seem to be playing the role of antagonist here and that is a shame- as we know your background in the community and we know where you come from and that you have played a positive role as a productive member of the community in the past.

          We'd be more than happy to have you play that role here- but that requires honesty and forthrightness.

          You don't have to agree with me, and you don't even have to kiss our products- but you do have to be factual and you do have to be honest. Otherwise we invite you to go spew discontent someplace else because that behavior isn't welcome here.

          Robert S. Randazzo
          PMDG Simulations
          http://www.pmdg.com


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            #6
            Austin,

            I was working on something else and had a brain-drain moment: When you say "terrain radar" you are talking about the graphic display of terrain data on the NAV display, yes?

            If so: This has nothing to do with radar... this is a data driven system that uses geological data stored in the EGPWS, combines it with input from the flight management system and displays relative terrain features to the pilots via the comm port that is *also* used by the drawing mechanism of the display to add the weather radar layer to the image.

            This is why it appears to have a "Radar" sweep to it. That is simply the draw call update process being used to put the terrain information on the display, and does not indicate that it is actually a "radar" function.

            Radar, being a "Beam" transmission, would be a poor way to detect terrain surrounding the airplane as it is blocked by solid obstructions, such as hills, so it would provide only a very limited view of the outside world.

            So- to answer your question: Yes this is included as we have fully modeled the honeywell EGPWS system with the optional data card.

            Robert S. Randazzo
            PMDG Simulations
            http://www.pmdg.com


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              #7
              To add my observation regarding the wx radar that is available in some of the Garmin devices in MSFS: I don't know how they create these pictures but they don't reproduce precise areas of actual rain or clouds that are rich of water. However they give an idea of where you can expect some bad weather and where it should be okay to fly. Not really how it works in reality to my understanding but an indicator that is worth to be used for sim purposes when flying VFR. I use it successfully in the G1000 of the DA62 for example.

              No idea though whether this comes from Asobo or from Working Title.
              Last edited by Ephedrin; 25May2021, 14:11.
              i7-6700k, GTX 1080TI, 32GB DDR4 RAM @2666MHz, 4k
              Marc Ehnle

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                #8
                Originally posted by Ephedrin View Post
                To add my observation regarding the wx radar that is available in some of the Garmin devices in MSFS: I don't know how they create these pictures but they don't reproduce precise areas of actual rain or clouds that are rich of water. However they give an idea of where you can expect some bad weather and where it should be okay to fly. Not really how it works in reality to my understanding but an indicator that is worth to be used for sim purposes when flying VFR. I use it successfully in the G1000 of the DA62 for example.

                No idea though whether this comes from Asobo or from Working Title.
                What you see is a "false" whether radar and is provided in the default avionics from asobo, but it only report cloud coverage and can only be accessed by js/html stack and not from wasm/C++ stack

                (source: Aereosoft CRJ forum and MSFS forum)

                EDIT: the just released patch (1.16.2.0) correct this:
                Others:
                • Weather radar now displays precipitation instead of cloud coverage

                Riccardo Perni
                Last edited by P_R_S; 25May2021, 16:57.
                Riccardo Perni

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                • Ephedrin
                  Ephedrin commented
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                  Ah oki......

                #9
                Just as we spoke about it: The Changelog of Simupdate 4 says that they have changed the weather radar to display rain instead of clouds. I haven't tried it yet though.
                i7-6700k, GTX 1080TI, 32GB DDR4 RAM @2666MHz, 4k
                Marc Ehnle

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                  #10
                  Originally posted by P_R_S View Post

                  What you see is a "false" whether radar and is provided in the default avionics from asobo, but it only report cloud coverage and can only be accessed by js/html stack and not from wasm/C++ stack

                  (source: Aereosoft CRJ forum and MSFS forum)

                  EDIT: the just released patch (1.16.2.0) correct this:



                  Riccardo Perni

                  I saw that something to do with the WX radar has been added/changed. I wonder if this means it can be added for the 73 at launch or if it's still inaccessible in WASM/C++ which I'm guessing PMDGs planes are coded in?
                  Joe Colehouse EGCC

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                  • Cristi Neagu
                    Cristi Neagu commented
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                    Considering no one outside PMDG (and maybe even some people inside PMDG, who knows?) knows how the NG3 systems are going to be coded (although WASM is a pretty sure guess), this question is going to invite a lot of speculation Only safe thing we can say is if there's a way, PMDG will take it.

                  • EasternT3
                    EasternT3 commented
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                    I guess only time will tell

                  #11
                  Ah see?

                  So for all those who think we have some super-secret inside track with Asobo, let this clarify your misconception. LOL

                  If that data is there, then yes certainly it will include in the 737 provided it is valid data... We knew nothing about this coming so we don't honestly know. I don't anticipate looking at it until July/August at the soonest- we have other issues to resolve first.

                  Robert S. Randazzo
                  PMDG Simulations
                  http://www.pmdg.com


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