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    MSFS2020 Progress?

    I am hoping that RSR or another PMDG representative will comment on how work on MSFS2020 aircraft is going. In particular, has the SDK improved significantly?

    Thanks
    Mike

    #2
    Originally posted by Mike777 View Post
    I am hoping that RSR or another PMDG representative will comment on how work on MSFS2020 aircraft is going. In particular, has the SDK improved significantly?

    Thanks
    Mike, the forum rules you agreed to on joining requires all of us to sign our full name on all posts.

    If you are new to PMDG, then you should be aware that they do not give updates unless there is something that has updated and is of significance. I personally do not expect to see high quality aircraft in MSFS2020 for two years. Be patient.
    Dan Downs KCRP
    i7-10700K 32GB 3600MHz 2080Ti

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      #3
      Originally posted by DDowns View Post

      Mike, the forum rules you agreed to on joining requires all of us to sign our full name on all posts.

      If you are new to PMDG, then you should be aware that they do not give updates unless there is something that has updated and is of significance. I personally do not expect to see high quality aircraft in MSFS2020 for two years. Be patient.
      I do believe his signature is in the photo but I could be seeing things
      Tim Barker
      FAA Air Traffic Control Specialist

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        #4
        Originally posted by DDowns View Post

        Mike, the forum rules you agreed to on joining requires all of us to sign our full name on all posts.

        If you are new to PMDG, then you should be aware that they do not give updates unless there is something that has updated and is of significance. I personally do not expect to see high quality aircraft in MSFS2020 for two years. Be patient.
        Hi Dan, thanks for your response. As Tim Barker noted, my full name is there, "engraved" into the picture. You may have to squint a bit.🙂
        Mike

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        • DDowns
          DDowns commented
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          LOL I didn't even see the picture! My age.......

        • Mike777
          Mike777 commented
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          Same here ... that's why I'm less patient than I used to be!

        #5
        The old name in the photo will get them every time, I think I’m going to make me one since it’s legal and looks better than the default.
        Dan Moore

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          #6
          MSFS is too busy churning out eye candy for the masses. By the time they unwrap all the layers of MS flight to reveal the sim underneath it'll be at least 2-3 years counting from now. I do feel your pain though. I only boot up P3D for heavy boeings PMDG and QW the rest of the time I spend in XP it is much easier beast to manage from user perspective. But if you take your time and and pain to setup P3d and never touch the sim again it is not half bad considering the heavies you can fly in it.
          Aleks Matrosov

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            #7
            To be honest MSFS is a wonderful vfr game for the general public to fly around in. Once the general public starts to weave away from it asobo won't have much of choice than to support us if they wana keep it open.


            Let's see where this goes. Open minded but also lockheed p3d strong 💪💪💪
            Alex Kulak
            PMDG Studier and flyer

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              #8
              I agree with Alex. The kind of market that is giving msfs so many users are likely not permanent users. Rather the same type of people who move from game to game. I could be wrong on this. But I can't see any longterm draw unless people are taking the time to get deeper understanding of the aircraft they fly. Otherwise sightseeing and screenshots over neighborhood get old pretty quick.
              Dave Gray

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                #9
                When is the updated 737 addon coming out for msfs2020?
                Phil will

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                • Yoshua
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                  probably another year at least.

                #10
                Originally posted by philwil788 View Post
                When is the updated 737 addon coming out for msfs2020?
                When MSFS is ready for developers like PMDG to work with it. At the moment that isn't the case.
                Robert Sutherland

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                  #11
                  Let me quote Lewis from A2A here:

                  Asobo/MS are making great strides in the engine, SDK and documentation to allow the more complex aircraft to come into the platform, slowly but surely.
                  Robert Randazzo said very similar things, Mathijs Kok same, other devs too.


                  I have not lost hope yet that what we get and see is indeed meant to please the mass and to attract new people and that the real work happens in the background. I still have hope that the upcoming sim updates will significantly improve and fix currently occuring issues.
                  i7-6700k, GTX 1080TI, 32GB DDR4 RAM @2666MHz, 4k
                  Marc Ehnle

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                    #12
                    I cannot imagine a very complex NG3 getting released for MSFS (still being developed) at this point. For PMDG to be compelled to keep up with months or years of MSFS updates (world and sim and everything in-between) could be a logistical nightmare.

                    Paul Racines
                    Win 10 64bit pro | 1200W PLATINUM POWER SUPPLY | ROG MAXIMUS XII HERO | i9-10850K | RTX 3090 | DEEPCOOL CASTLE 240EX |128GB DDR4 3600MHZ G.SKILL TRIDENT Z NEO | 2 TB NVME | 2TB M.2 | Seagate IRONWOLF PRO 8TB | Oculus Rift

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                      #13
                      Here. Read the comments in this post

                      https://www.reddit.com/r/MicrosoftFl...ments_view_all
                      Alex Kulak
                      PMDG Studier and flyer

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                        #14
                        Originally posted by Swaluver88 View Post
                        Here. Read the comments in this post

                        https://www.reddit.com/r/MicrosoftFl...ments_view_all
                        Hi Alex,

                        Of late I have totally avoided reddit, I'm just so sick of screenshots and reddit is a plethora of them. Screenshots are "all talk", I want substance ("action") in a flight sim...PMDG and the like provide that substance.
                        Paul Racines
                        Win 10 64bit pro | 1200W PLATINUM POWER SUPPLY | ROG MAXIMUS XII HERO | i9-10850K | RTX 3090 | DEEPCOOL CASTLE 240EX |128GB DDR4 3600MHZ G.SKILL TRIDENT Z NEO | 2 TB NVME | 2TB M.2 | Seagate IRONWOLF PRO 8TB | Oculus Rift

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                          #15
                          Originally posted by pracines View Post

                          Hi Alex,

                          Of late I have totally avoided reddit, I'm just so sick of screenshots and reddit is a plethora of them. Screenshots are "all talk", I want substance ("action") in a flight sim...PMDG and the like provide that substance.
                          This ain't a screenshot post actually I read reviews and comments instead of eye candy
                          Alex Kulak
                          PMDG Studier and flyer

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                            #16
                            Originally posted by Swaluver88 View Post

                            This ain't a screenshot post actually I read reviews and comments instead of eye candy
                            You're correct, sorry I jumped the gun on this specific example you provided.

                            I browsed through some of it, and most of what I saw contains so much of how I think. Its like a hotfix for the Flight Dynamics would have been posted quick if the issue also affected the ability to post screenshots. But since its only FD's, it seems not so important.

                            But Sim Update 3 is just around the riverbend; we'll get to see how important FD's, G1000/3000, and autopilot functionality are compared to screenshots.
                            Paul Racines
                            Win 10 64bit pro | 1200W PLATINUM POWER SUPPLY | ROG MAXIMUS XII HERO | i9-10850K | RTX 3090 | DEEPCOOL CASTLE 240EX |128GB DDR4 3600MHZ G.SKILL TRIDENT Z NEO | 2 TB NVME | 2TB M.2 | Seagate IRONWOLF PRO 8TB | Oculus Rift

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                              #17
                              It's about this one by Jummivana:

                              https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t...details/368499
                              i7-6700k, GTX 1080TI, 32GB DDR4 RAM @2666MHz, 4k
                              Marc Ehnle

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                                #18
                                Too bad you "simply" can't put the MSFS scenery into P3D and leave it at that.
                                David Porrett
                                Sea Pilot
                                CPL, ME, CFI, IFR
                                Mooney M20M (G500/GTN)

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                                • DDowns
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                                  I think if LM went to streaming video scenery, the last place they'd go is Micorsoft Bing. There are rumors that v6 will use Google Earth but I don't place much in that rumor.

                                • Swaluver88
                                  Swaluver88 commented
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                                  Tjats the funny part orbx could easily input what they did in to P3D and Xplane and shut asobo out. I still have hope they will. Or lockheed will get Google

                                • Ephedrin
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                                  Dan I would already be happy to get 5.2 🙄 there is just so much to fix..

                                #19
                                LOL that's what I did in Xplane to a large degree. World covered in ortho. Problem is I don't have heavy boeings in XP that even remotely approach quality of PMDG so I spent entire week last week, full days, setting up P3D so I can finally enjoy a heavy that I can actually learn something useful on vs fighting it all the time. P3D is a very painful platform for someone used to flexibility of XP but so far I can say that 747 I'm flying now is well worth the pain .
                                Aleks Matrosov

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                                  #20
                                  Hi,

                                  slightly off topic but I’ve noticed a lot of people have lots of RAM. I have 16gb. Do you find it makes a big difference? Was thinking of upgrading to 32gb.

                                  thanks
                                  phil
                                  Phil will

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                                  • Ephedrin
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                                    16 is fine

                                  #21
                                  i love how everytime msfs does an update it breaks all the addons. and since they're forced updates, you are basically stuck without a sim until everything else is updated

                                  no thanks
                                  Mike Teague - p3dv5 - B736 B737 B738 B739 B744 B748

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                                  • Ephedrin
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                                    The last 2 updates haven‘t broken any of my addons. They caused the flaps bug this time and the icing is ridiculous. But my addons have worked fine.

                                  #22
                                  From reading all the reports over at the Flightsimulator forums I’m glad I use P3D as my primary sim. Last week it was sever issues effecting scenery. Then the last update broke numerous users systems resulting in CTD and poor performance. Myself and others are having issues with Marketplace and unable to download FlyTampa Las Vegas after being charged and it no longer being showed as we own it. And now everyone is loosing their profiles which includes their settings and log books. I’m glad I can fire up P3D and take the 737 or 747 for a flight. I know the bugs will be fixed but that’s a lot for a weekend and no one is around until Monday.
                                  Dan Moore

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                                    #23
                                    Before ppl complain to much about MSFS not being stable and having CTDs etc... remember how P3D was with OOMs and lots of strange issues...

                                    MSFS has done good steps and i have great trust in their work and it looks like Majestic Software, Aerosoft, PMDG and ORBX does that to.
                                    Kristian Berg
                                    Someone

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                                      #24
                                      Originally posted by Berg93 View Post
                                      Before ppl complain to much about MSFS not being stable and having CTDs etc... remember how P3D was with OOMs and lots of strange issues...

                                      MSFS has done good steps and i have great trust in their work and it looks like Majestic Software, Aerosoft, PMDG and ORBX does that to.
                                      As everyone is laughing in the background with fsx and fs2004
                                      Alex Kulak
                                      PMDG Studier and flyer

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                                        #25
                                        I’ve invested way too much in P3D and DCS and previously FSX. A third sim? No way.
                                        Jeannette Benoit

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                                          #26
                                          I’m not complaining. I had some plans for this weekend that are now on hold until they resolve the issues. I enjoy VFR flying in 2020. I’m just pointing out there having a bad week ands it’s nice to have an alternate sim.
                                          Dan Moore

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                                            #27
                                            Originally posted by Berg93 View Post
                                            Before ppl complain to much about MSFS not being stable and having CTDs etc... remember how P3D was with OOMs and lots of strange issues...

                                            MSFS has done good steps and i have great trust in their work and it looks like Majestic Software, Aerosoft, PMDG and ORBX does that to.
                                            Here's the issue From day one of the release FS, P3D, Xplane were proper sims. From day one of the release planes that flew on those platforms behaved as they were in the sim. So the bugs the fixes the enhancements the fiascos in all of them were geared toward improving and enhancing the sim. Not the case with FS2020. From day one it was a game geared towards lowest common denominator of the mass consumer who wanted to see pretty graphics and their house on the screen. The fixes enhancements improvements are focused towards scenery and not sim under it. I am coming back to P3D after many years in Xplane because I'm tired of mediocre heavy boeings in XP and I'm having a huge culture shock and pain managing P3D platform compared to XP but as far as flight goes I can see some nuances between the two but I settle in just fine once in the air in either of them, not so in FS2020.
                                            Last edited by matrosov; 22Feb2021, 05:43.
                                            Aleks Matrosov

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                                            • Berg93
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                                              So ur sayin everything in P3D v5 has been flawless and everything in XP11 have been flawless since day 1? 🤣

                                            • Dannnnn
                                              Dannnnn commented
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                                              Gotta disagree with this one.

                                            • matrosov
                                              matrosov commented
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                                              I didn't say flawless did I? I mentioned bugs, fiascos, and enhancements. What I am saying that those platforms from the get go were focused on flight and on planes not the eye candy and pretty pictures. Canned planes in all of them flew or attempted to fly and did so quite well whether you liked the platform or not. Like my love hate relationship with P3D. Love the planes, hate the platform and will never deny the fact that it is on a merits a good environment. Look at the development cadence of FS2020. 30 airports released, 25 sceneries released. Flight mechanics improved uhm wait we just broke them again and we are not sure when we'll fix them but we did have 160 more scenery packs added in the last week to market place. I know it is a proper package when I see names like PMDG, FS labs, Toliss, A2A, Leading edge, Majestic, Flight Factor, are in the marketplace. and something tells me I'd be waiting for years to come at their current focus levels. I'm not saying the engine is trash the engine is there it's just they are focusing on wrapping it all in multi layers of gift paper. Right now it's pure and simple economics money grab from wide eyed population for something that does look pretty. Nothing really to do for semi serious aviation enthusiast. We would have to wait for novelty to wear off and for spigot to start running dry for them to start focusing back on the basics of that flight engine fixes. Assuming of course they get a cut of addon sales. As of right now I suspect majority of XP and P3D crowd already have a copy of FS and shelved it after few hours of playing around so there will not be a major impact on the main package sales.
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