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    Hello fellow airmen,

    With the pending update for the 777,i think everyone(or most of us) are planning their first flight to do with it.
    For me,i am planning an acceptance flight of the Airbridge cargo 777F at Paine Field.Now i was wondering if anyone could share some light about how this is done IRL.
    I'm not talking about the training needed or familiarisation for a specific aircraft type,but more how the acceptance/delivery goes.
    Do pilots take the new airframe and fly it all the way to their home base?Or will they fly it to some destination they fly to and insert it into service there?
    Is KPAE suited for a departure to the other end of the world or will they fly the aircraft to an enroute station for fueling?

    So if anyone has some stories,info about how this is done,please share .

    Kind regards!
    Steven Ghion

    #2
    Originally posted by BelgianTiger_2 View Post
    Hello fellow airmen,

    With the pending update for the 777,i think everyone(or most of us) are planning their first flight to do with it.
    For me,i am planning an acceptance flight of the Airbridge cargo 777F at Paine Field.Now i was wondering if anyone could share some light about how this is done IRL.
    I'm not talking about the training needed or familiarisation for a specific aircraft type,but more how the acceptance/delivery goes.
    Do pilots take the new airframe and fly it all the way to their home base?Or will they fly it to some destination they fly to and insert it into service there?
    Is KPAE suited for a departure to the other end of the world or will they fly the aircraft to an enroute station for fueling?

    So if anyone has some stories,info about how this is done,please share .

    Kind regards!
    Steven Ghion
    Pretty much the airline flies the pilots into Seattle. Boeing picks them up brings them to the PAE/BFI delivery center, waits for the airline paperwork to go through (pre covid boeing used to feed the pilots) and then the pilots just fly the plane back to the main base for it to be marked ready for revenue and or to the main base and right into service. I've seen both with the southwest 737maxs when they get delivered. Usually the mtc guys of the airlines go up there prior to delivery to do airline specific software since boeing doesn't install it.

    It may differ airline to airline on some stuff like if its the first aircraft of that type the airline is taking delivery of you will usually have executives and other higher ups be on the delivery flights and do the first delivery photo
    Last edited by Swaluver88; 19Feb2021, 15:50.
    Alex Kulak
    PMDG Studier and flyer

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      #3
      There’s a Pilot’s Eye video on YouTube about a Lufthansa crew picking up a brand new 777F from KPAE and flying it back to Frankfurt. Pretty interesting.

      Richard Bansa

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        #4
        Originally posted by BelgianTiger_2 View Post
        Hello fellow airmen,

        With the pending update for the 777,i think everyone(or most of us) are planning their first flight to do with it.
        For me,i am planning an acceptance flight of the Airbridge cargo 777F at Paine Field.Now i was wondering if anyone could share some light about how this is done IRL.
        I'm not talking about the training needed or familiarisation for a specific aircraft type,but more how the acceptance/delivery goes.
        Do pilots take the new airframe and fly it all the way to their home base?Or will they fly it to some destination they fly to and insert it into service there?
        Is KPAE suited for a departure to the other end of the world or will they fly the aircraft to an enroute station for fueling?

        So if anyone has some stories,info about how this is done,please share .

        Kind regards!
        Steven Ghion
        That depends on the company but for F usually the go to their home base

        For example VQ-BAO
        • Ferried PAE-SHJ 17-18 Aug 2020 on delivery
        • Entered into service 15 Dec 2020
        Aerologic latest 77F D-AALQ

        Ferried PAE-LEJ 20-21 Nov 2020 on delivery


        Latest BA 77W G-STBP


        Ferried PAE-LHR 8- 9 Jan 2021 on delivery
        Chris Makris (Olympic260)
        PMDG Technical Support
        http://www.pmdg.com

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          #5
          Originally posted by cmakris View Post

          That depends on the company but for F usually the go to their home base

          For example VQ-BAO
          • Ferried PAE-SHJ 17-18 Aug 2020 on delivery
          • Entered into service 15 Dec 2020
          Aerologic latest 77F D-AALQ

          Ferried PAE-LEJ 20-21 Nov 2020 on delivery


          Latest BA 77W G-STBP


          Ferried PAE-LHR 8- 9 Jan 2021 on delivery
          Wow,thnx for that info!Surprisingly that the VQ-BAO went to Sharjah instead of moscow.Where do you find this info btw?

          Brgds,
          Steven Ghion

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            #6
            Originally posted by BelgianTiger_2 View Post
            Hello fellow airmen,

            With the pending update for the 777,i think everyone(or most of us) are planning their first flight to do with it.
            For me,i am planning an acceptance flight of the Airbridge cargo 777F at Paine Field.Now i was wondering if anyone could share some light about how this is done IRL.
            I'm not talking about the training needed or familiarisation for a specific aircraft type,but more how the acceptance/delivery goes.
            Do pilots take the new airframe and fly it all the way to their home base?Or will they fly it to some destination they fly to and insert it into service there?
            Is KPAE suited for a departure to the other end of the world or will they fly the aircraft to an enroute station for fueling?

            So if anyone has some stories,info about how this is done,please share .

            Kind regards!
            Steven Ghion
            Hi Steven,

            It depends on the airline's policy on how they treat this special flight. For example one company, there's going to be 2-4 crew members, Captain(s) (one must be LTC or higher, maybe the chief pilot) and First Officer(s), the airline's representatives and the mechanics. The highest rank captain will arrive earlier than others to do the test flight(s) with Boeing/Airbus. This flight will have test pilot, airline's captain, the mechanics and other individuals.
            After it is done and everything meet requirement they will go ahead with the paper works and delivery flight (usually several days later).
            They will fly back to their home base, finish the paper work, might have to do a test flight for the approval from the Aviation Administration of the country. Then finally it can be released for commercial flight.

            The procedure might vary but hopefully you get the idea.

            Cheers,



            Hoang Le
            PPL,IR,CPL,ATPL

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              #7
              Originally posted by hoang View Post

              Hi Steven,

              It depends on the airline's policy on how they treat this special flight. For example one company, there's going to be 2-4 crew members, Captain(s) (one must be LTC or higher, maybe the chief pilot) and First Officer(s), the airline's representatives and the mechanics. The highest rank captain will arrive earlier than others to do the test flight(s) with Boeing/Airbus. This flight will have test pilot, airline's captain, the mechanics and other individuals.
              After it is done and everything meet requirement they will go ahead with the paper works and delivery flight (usually several days later).
              They will fly back to their home base, finish the paper work, might have to do a test flight for the approval from the Aviation Administration of the country. Then finally it can be released for commercial flight.

              The procedure might vary but hopefully you get the idea.

              Cheers,


              There's also the issue of flags-of-convenience and laws governing aircraft leases, where they'd have to be flown within their airspace before they can continue to the customer. I've seen planes taking an odd routing into the UK before the customer's own country due to laws governing leases. As Russia often registers Western aircraft on the Bermudan (VP/Q-B) registry, there's probably a formality that must be undertaken before they can finally fly into their home airport.
              Craig Norman

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                #8
                I've been on two B747 acceptance flights, one a -200 and the other an SP. Both of them still had the plastic covers on the seats. They were flown to KDFW and put into service a couple of days later. I don't remember much about the acceptance procedures, it's been a while.
                Bode Bridges
                I Earned my Spurs in Vietnam

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by BelgianTiger_2 View Post

                  Wow,thnx for that info!Surprisingly that the VQ-BAO went to Sharjah instead of moscow.Where do you find this info btw?

                  Brgds,
                  Steven Ghion
                  https://www.planespotters.net/
                  Chris Makris (Olympic260)
                  PMDG Technical Support
                  http://www.pmdg.com

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by CANorm91 View Post

                    There's also the issue of flags-of-convenience and laws governing aircraft leases, where they'd have to be flown within their airspace before they can continue to the customer. I've seen planes taking an odd routing into the UK before the customer's own country due to laws governing leases. As Russia often registers Western aircraft on the Bermudan (VP/Q-B) registry, there's probably a formality that must be undertaken before they can finally fly into their home airport.
                    Hi,
                    Yes it's true. Due to the brand new registration not all the paperwork and permissions are signed and submitted so there are some alternates procedure have to be followed.
                    Hoang Le
                    PPL,IR,CPL,ATPL

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                      #11
                      A new aircraft typically has at least two fights prior to delivery. The very first flight known as the B1 is flown by Boeing FTPs and verifies everything works the way it should. If an issue is found it is corrected and a B2 is flown. This process continues until all discrepancies are resolved. Most of the time an airframe will only need a single factory flight, but sometimes there can be quite a few if there are tricky issues. Once the aircraft passes the factory test the buyer or designee will fly a customer acceptance flight (C1) using their specific company checklist. This may also take several flights if they see anything that is not right.

                      Here's the info for VQ-BAO:
                      Date Type Flight Time Route
                      7/29/2020 KPAE-KPAE B1 BOE288 0:14:00 KPAE PERLL ARRIE J523 TOU CKAPE HQM FEBUS PUW ALW PSC PELLY KMWH Notes Diverted
                      7/30/2020 KPAE-KMWH-KPAE B2 BOE288 2:57:00 PERLL ARRIE J523 TOU HQM EPH GEG PDT PELLY KMWH 2x T&G RWY 32R TUNNL DEVYN2 KPAE
                      8/2/2020 KPAE-KPAE C1 BOE288 1:56:00 SEA281035 ARRIE J523 TOU TOU180015 AST ONP WATTR WEBVE 3x T&G 16R
                      8/17/2020 KPAE-OMSJ Delivery VQ-BAO
                      12/1/2020 OMSJ-UUEE VQ-BAO
                      One thing to keep in mind is that due to the nature of these flights they are rarely flown exactly as filed. They're usually planned through an area of low traffic and will request permission to do tests as needed. Another thing to know if you're simulating a B1 is that the gear is cycled completely right after takeoff to make sure it will come back down. This is done ASAP so that if there is a gear issue there's time (fuel) to diagnose. The RAT is also deployed as part of the testing so it's very common to see and hear them at the end of a flight.
                      Last edited by Brian; 19Feb2021, 22:26.
                      Brian Watson

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                        #12
                        This documentary shows what happened when United took their first 777.

                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4vEfZFx4hk&t=33m12s
                        Captain Kevin

                        Kevin Yang

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                          #13
                          There are manual from Boeing of "Post Delivery 7x7 Flight Test Profile". But it's generic, every company might do some changes based on the one provide by Boeing.
                          But seems I can't "find a copy online" as like many other real world manuals.
                          ZHU Hai
                          B737 Ground instructor

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                            #14
                            It depends on the airline. Most fly to their home base and accept the plane there but some like Cargolux fly to SEA and accept the plane. I'm gonna do PAE-DFW in a AAL 200ER.
                            Yoshi Elder

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