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    B777 Cockpit update

    Hello,

    Just a doubt, the cockpit overhaul update expected for the end of the year for the B777 would be a free update as the one that will come out shortly?
    I'm thinking about purchasing the B777 but first I want to be sure how the cockpit update will be handled.

    Thank you!
    Angel Vallejo

    #2
    I don't *think* (think! Not know!) it will be a free update but rather part of the 777v2.

    This said, apart from the missing rainmaker integration the current 777 cockpit is still pretty damn good, better than quite some new addons being released in 2021.
    I'd happily recommend you to get the present 777, it is worth the investment, especially with the upcoming update!

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      #3
      Originally posted by Emi View Post
      I don't *think* (think! Not know!) it will be a free update but rather part of the 777v2.

      This said, apart from the missing rainmaker integration the current 777 cockpit is still pretty damn good, better than quite some new addons being released in 2021.
      I'd happily recommend you to get the present 777, it is worth the investment, especially with the upcoming update!


      RSR said himself the cockpit update is now going to be done, including RainMaker, not reserved to V2 (ie MSFS version; because they're years off) in the 10FEB update currently pinned to the top of the forum:

      A few have asked if we are including RainMaker in this update series- and we are not. That will come with a later update that involves a new VC model for the entire 777 product line.
      - Karl Brooker

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        #4
        I think I will wait until I get a clear picture of how things will go, cause I'm a bit confused about the cockpit update.
        I don't want to pay for the current version and then pay again for a V2 o whatever version/update includes an overhauled cockpit. The textures of the current cockpit are not up to my expectations and the lack of RainMaker kills the inmersion when it rains in the sim. Looks a good product, but I owned it back in the FSX days, and I want a change like the one with the NGXu from the NGX.

        Thanks for your inputs
        Angel Vallejo

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          #5
          Originally posted by Emi View Post
          .... better than quite some new addons being released in 2021...
          You forgot to mention "released by PMDG ... in 2021
          Have never read a statement from PMDG where other addons got discredited while PMDG is (still) missing a lot of "2021"-stuff, integrations, effects etc. that others released years ago

          But I am still tempted to get my hands back on the 777 hopefully sometimes in 2021 - if there's not just another delay.
          Posting possible release dates is such a daft
          Timm Rehberg
          Twitch Stream | V1 Simulations Blog

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            #6
            Originally posted by xTiMm_ View Post
            You forgot to mention "released by PMDG ... in 2021
            Have never read a statement from PMDG where other addons got discredited while PMDG is (still) missing a lot of "2021"-stuff, integrations, effects etc. that others released years ago

            But I am still tempted to get my hands back on the 777 hopefully sometimes in 2021 - if there's not just another delay.
            Posting possible release dates is such a daft
            Let's hope it'll be released rather sooner than later. Can't wait to find out if the 777 fits on a V stand.
            Last edited by Emi; 12Feb2021, 19:52.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Emi View Post

              Let's hope it'll be released rather sooner than later. Can't wait to find out if the 777 fits on a V stand.
              You will find out for yourself. I renounce
              Timm Rehberg
              Twitch Stream | V1 Simulations Blog

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                #8
                I wont be purchasing the 777 till i know for sure the details surrounding the cockpit update,plus with rainmaker being left till the update,that was a bit of a kick in the teeth to the immersion of the product,ill just have to wait and see.

                Last edited by benbo; 13Feb2021, 09:46.
                With Thanks,
                Gary Jones.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Emi View Post
                  I don't *think* (think! Not know!) it will be a free update but rather part of the 777v2.

                  This said, apart from the missing rainmaker integration the current 777 cockpit is still pretty damn good, better than quite some new addons being released in 2021.
                  I'd happily recommend you to get the present 777, it is worth the investment, especially with the upcoming update!
                  Hi ,

                  From Robert's recent update for the upcoming 777-200LR/777-300ER:

                  https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/main-fo...rogress-update,

                  the update will be free, if you have already owned the current 777-200LR/777-300ER for P3D v4.4+.
                  It will also allow it to be compatible with P3D v5.xx.
                  So, if I am not wrong, if you have the version for P3D v4.4+, you can download the new installer when available; uninstall the version 777-200LE/777-300 on P3D V4.xx, and install it on P3D v5.xx.
                  Of course, similar in B747 V3 for P3D, it will ask you if you want to install for P3D v4.xx or P3D v5.xx, if you have multiple P3D versions being installed.

                  Finally, I would say, that, any future developments of PMDG's products for MSFS2020 will be a 'Different-Kettle-Of-Fish'.

                  Enjoy Flying.

                  Cheers,
                  Chris Truong.




                  System: i7-9700 @ 3.00 GHz, ASUS TUF B360M-E GAMING motherboard, 32GB of 3200 MHz DDR4 RAM, nVidia NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER graphics w/ 8GB GDDR6 VRAM, Windows 10 Professional.

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                    #10
                    The 777 has been immersive for 10 years and now it‘s not because it doesn‘t have Rainmaker?

                    anyway... usually, when PMDG call something an „update“ they don‘t charge for it. The new cockpit was meant to come with the new 777 as a paid upgrade, but the latest announcements says update.

                    regarding rainmaker again: they have to finance it sonehow. It‘s not just a dll that places some rain drops on the winshield. For those who have the NGXu, check the water effects from the cockpit, the snow and fog building up. That‘s rainmaker. And that has to be tuned and that takes many hours. I would have loved to see it now too but saying it will lack immersion without even having flown it with all that has come to the 777? Come on 😂
                    i7-6700k, GTX 1080TI, 32GB DDR4 RAM @2666MHz, 4k
                    Marc Ehnle

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                      #11
                      I have the impression that they haven't really decided how the cockpit will be handled in terms of business. On the other hand a cockpit overhaul is something PMDG never did in terms of product (it's more significant than the usual free updates but not that much than rebuilt the aircraft like ngxu), so I understand it takes a bit more time to sort out. It *could* be a free update if the work is in common with new MSFS product and be financed in that way, or it could be otherwise.
                      Yuchen LENG

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by ctruong183 View Post

                        Hi ,

                        From Robert's recent update for the upcoming 777-200LR/777-300ER:

                        https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/main-fo...rogress-update,

                        the update will be free, if you have already owned the current 777-200LR/777-300ER for P3D v4.4+.
                        It will also allow it to be compatible with P3D v5.xx.
                        So, if I am not wrong, if you have the version for P3D v4.4+, you can download the new installer when available; uninstall the version 777-200LE/777-300 on P3D V4.xx, and install it on P3D v5.xx.
                        In my opinion (and I don't have any insider data at hand) you're reading a bit too much into it here. Rob said the current update will be free. True.
                        He did not say a later VC update would be free.
                        That might be two different things. I can not read any definite promise out of his words.

                        Edit: As Mike just beat me to it, it is left open whether or not a new VC would be a free update or not. There is no definitive statement that I could read in any of Robs linked posts.
                        Last edited by Emi; 13Feb2021, 11:41.

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                          #13
                          Paid or free, for me the most important thing is that the VC update happens
                          Tony Argaud LFPG - P3Dv4.5

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Emi View Post

                            In my opinion (and I don't have any insider data at hand) you're reading a bit too much into it here. Rob said the current update will be free. True.
                            He did not say a later VC update would be free.
                            That might be two different things. I can not read any definite promise out of his words.

                            Edit: As Mike just beat me to it, it is left open whether or not a new VC would be a free update or not. There is no definitive statement that I could read in any of Robs linked posts.
                            You keep saying this but a quick search revealed this:

                            https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/main-fo...00er-beta-news

                            Market conditions created by covid, and the need to keep a significant amount of development resources dedicated to our upcoming line of MSFS products caused us to decide to conduct a massive, free update to the existing 777 rather than to do a full product rebuild and replacement with a new (and thus more expensive-to-users) v2.0.

                            You probably know that we have a very advanced system of collecting, managing and monitoring service reports for all of our products and we have continued to track issues for the 777 product line going all the way back to the day of publication. We have been clearing up items in that system, adding features, cleaning up inefficiencies, modernizing aspects of it's operation and preparing the code to survive another 5+ years cleanly within the Prepar3D v4/v5 environments. We are planning a full virtual cockpit replacement and work on that is underway but will take half the year to accomplish.
                            I don't think it could be any clearer.
                            - Karl Brooker

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by squerble View Post

                              We are planning a full virtual cockpit replacement and work on that is underway but will take half the year to accomplish.


                              I don't think it could be any clearer.
                              This does not tell you if the VC update, a 1/2 year away at least, will be free or have a cost.
                              Regards
                              Claude Franklin

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